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Sifo
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 15, 2015 - 07:02 am: | 
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How is it "un-American" to make it a crime to not obey a federal regulation?
Would you have been saying something similar if you were in Germany when Hitler was putting Jews into ovens? They did pass laws to make it all legal after all.
How can $5,500 bankrupt him?
First, that's for a single year. If you have ongoing issues, you get that every year. Second, not everyone's out of pocket is maxed at $5,500. And that's after paying the premiums that are going up faster than ever.
On a separate note, I just got tax documentation for being enrolled in medicaid that they somehow signed us up for this year without telling us. I have no idea what the tax implications of that is. We certainly don't qualify for medicaid. I wonder if they will be assessing a penalty for this coverage. We were paying for our own insurance during that period. I know the way they were counting the insured, we were counted as two newly insured people (after losing our current insurance), and I'm sure we were counted again as newly insured on medicaid. They cooked the books just a bit to make it sound good. |
Ducbsa
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 15, 2015 - 08:08 am: |
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Let's compare un-Americanisms:
Freedom Riders defying Democrat Jim Crow laws or
"Why should anyone allow GOP amendments" |
Reepicheep
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 15, 2015 - 10:25 am: |
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Both sides have more credibility when they acknowledge the problems the opposition points out are serious.
One one hand, we have forced participation in health care, which inevitably leads to men with guns taking money from people, and large organizations telling you how you have to live your life. Everyone should be bothered by that.
On the other hand we have people that need medical treatment, but can't afford it, and are dying or much sicker as a result. Everyone should be bothered by that as well.
Before those on the left call me some kind of right wing heartless idiot for valuing the first as much as the second, take account of the number of people that have died over the last 100 years at the hands of their government. Both illegally (Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot, etc), and "legally" (WWI, WWII, Vietnam, etc). Nobody can scale up murder like the government can scale up murder. Take the number of "healthy years" those people had taken by powerful governments, and you will be hard pressed to show that a benevolent government health care system will come out ahead, even if it operates perfectly for the next 500 years.
It's a hard problem, because it's a hard problem. We have more sickness in this world then we have resources and knowledge to fix it. So how do you choose winners and losers? |
Xdigitalx
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 15, 2015 - 10:52 am: |
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A. One one hand, we have forced participation in health care, which inevitably leads to men with guns taking money from people, and large organizations telling you how you have to live your life. Everyone should be bothered by that.
B. On the other hand we have people that need medical treatment, but can't afford it, and are dying or much sicker as a result. Everyone should be bothered by that as well.
I am more bothered by A. And do not see any problem amending/reforming. |
Reindog
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 15, 2015 - 11:05 am: |
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Good post, Reep.
I think almost everyone agrees that Health Care Reform is needed. The Demos took the wrong path and did it with a club against our head. Obamacare is evil, corrupt, and open to be weaponized like the IRS has become.
Obamacare is bad economics and must die. |
Sifo
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 15, 2015 - 01:14 pm: |
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It's a hard situation. No you shouldn't be force at gun point to spend your money the way the person with gun demands. You also shouldn't find yourself becoming uninsurable. Then again, we already had state exchanges that were there for that second problem. I'm not convinced that it was the best solution, but I think it was better than what we got thrust upon us. BTW, I just had my annual checkup a few weeks ago and my Dr. made a pretty unfavorable comment that was completely unprovoked. No doubt the care providers are not happy with what we got.
Seeing someone claim that there were no lies in this is ridiculous though. The entire process was a pack of lies. Republicans were kept out of the process, and then blamed for the failings. Costs have gone up exponentially and we still have many people who are uninsured. We now have new levels of bureaucracy involved. It might just be indicative of mental illness to believe that government bureaucracy will deliver a better product at a lower cost.
Just take a look at how the government's doing fixing the VA!  |
Ducbsa
| | Posted on Thursday, December 17, 2015 - 06:24 pm: |
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Thank you Republicans! /sarc
http://nypost.com/2015/12/15/congresss-12-billion- giveaway-to-health-insurers/ |
Reindog
| | Posted on Thursday, December 24, 2015 - 06:20 pm: |
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O'care is disintegrating as planned by the oligarchy.
Liberals: you need to wake up and realize where your support of an over reaching powerful executive branch is leading. The precedent is being set in concrete by The Golfer, but eventually the sword will swing in your direction, which is not a good thing. The idea of America is collapsing into two classes with your support of "punishing" the rich. All you will accomplish is the utter destruction of the Middle Class and money will flee to where it is welcome. Time is running out for you to change.
Oh yeah... and Merry Christmas to all Conservatives and those worth saving.
http://news.investors.com/politics-obamacare/12221 5-786450-obamacare-enrollment-figures-nothing-to-c elebrate.htm
(Message edited by reindog on December 24, 2015) |
Xdigitalx
| | Posted on Thursday, December 24, 2015 - 09:22 pm: |
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So,... I finally get my NJ health card. I guess I have insurance now?? for free?? Well...I guess that's good. I have some things I need to fix like teeth, my bowels, typical over 50 stuff..., I guess I have to pick a fam doctor to get all that stuff done... But wait.., I went on an interview 2 weeks ago, and just got the call, I'm hired! I start Jan 4th. BUT they don't have health ins. The are a small business and could not afford to pay the yearly increases for Obama care. Ugh. So now I wait to get on payroll and have to do all this again. I hope it isn't more than 250 per month. |
Jolly
| | Posted on Thursday, December 24, 2015 - 11:36 pm: |
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Thanks Reindog!! Merry Christmas to you as well!!
I've got almost 30 yrs in military serving this country, so I've earned mine!!
We as a nation need to stop squandering our resources to save the lazy and unwilling from themselves....
There are people that need our help and support, but there are also far too many people far to eager to simply live off of the gov handouts, which by the way are paid for by hard working Americans...
A short quiz.... Name as many countries as you can that provide socialized medicine to all of its people and can also truly defend its boarders and defend its ideals equally without foreign military assistance....
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