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Wolfridgerider
Posted on Wednesday, August 05, 2015 - 09:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

EBR's new anthem...



if you don't care for the music... you can read the lyrics.
I think they fit

My will cannot be broken
Cause when I rot I crawl back from the dead
I am the living proof
That you can right what is wrong in your head
The weak can always overcome but only if they burn with desire
And all the tears a man can cry
They will not put out the fire
Walk with knowledge wisely
You don't have to die
Put an end to what poisons you
My heart might have been broken
That will only fuel what grows in my mind
I am the living proof
That a soul can burn a thousand times
Accept what God has given you
And you'll find the answer all around
Rise from the ashes
And be heard with a deafening sound
Walk with knowledge wisely
You don't have to die
Put an end to what poisons you
Walk with knowledge wisely and be free
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Classax
Posted on Wednesday, August 05, 2015 - 11:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Not bad. I'm more a jazz/rhythm & blues kind of guy myself though...

http://youtu.be/2xUuIdDJj7E

Speaks to my love of Buells and what we Buellers go through.

" You got to stay tuned, cause there's more to see
unbreakable!
Through the technical difficulties
unbreakable!
We just might be breaking up but yall know we'll be back next week"

(Message edited by Classax on August 05, 2015)

(Message edited by Classax on August 05, 2015)
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Ferris_von_bueller
Posted on Thursday, August 06, 2015 - 05:31 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Weird that he is listed as the singular owner of a electrics/lighting company..... But doing security at concerts on the side?

A relative, perhaps his brother, works for a security firm. Amazing what you can find on Google and Facebook.
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Court
Posted on Thursday, August 06, 2015 - 06:51 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

>>>>what does "... as an ongoing concern." mean exactly?

The proper term is "going concern" and it is an accounting term.

Swiped from Wikipedia . . . you can do your own research . . . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Going_concern


quote:

The going concern assumption is universally understood and accepted by accounting professionals; however, it has never been formally incorporated into U.S GAAP.[1] In October 2008, Financial Accounting Standards Board issued an Exposure Draft called, going concern. It discusses the following possible pronouncements for the going concern:
Reconsideration of defining and incorporating the terms going concern and substantial doubt into U.S. GAAP
The time horizon over which management would evaluate the entity’s ability to meet its obligations
The type of information that management should consider in evaluating the entity’s ability to meet its obligations
The effect of subsequent events on management’s evaluation of the entity’s ability to meet its obligations
Whether to provide guidance on the liquidation basis of accounting .

A current definition of the going concern assumption can be found in the AICPA Statement on Auditing Standards No.1 Codification of Auditing Standards and Procedures, Section 341, “ The Auditor’s Consideration of an Entity’s Ability to Continue as a Going Concern”(AU Section 341). The 'going concern' concept assumes that the business will remain in existence long enough for all the assets of the business to be fully utilized. Utilized assets means obtaining the complete benefit from their earning potential. (i.e. if you recently purchased equipment costing $5,000 that had 5 years of productive/useful life, then under the going concern assumption, the accountant would only write off one year's value $1,000 (1/5th) this year, leaving $4,000 to be treated as a fixed asset with future economic value for the business)




It . . . in the instant case . . . refers to the company being in an "in business" rather than a "winding down" stage.

Many accounting principals and financial information relies on the "going concern" concept.

Imagine if you knew you were terminally ill and started running up credit card bills and debt . . knowing you'd not be here to be accountable. That, in simplest terms, is pretty much the opposite of what a "going concern" describes.
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Reepicheep
Posted on Thursday, August 06, 2015 - 07:46 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Excellent news. Thanks Court!

These kinds of wild speculation threads are fun... and very much akin to TV coverage of the OJ chase or election night waiting for the exit polling results to come in. We are just amusing ourselves, and may stumble across a discovery or two, but really we are just entertaining ourselves.
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Cyclonedon
Posted on Thursday, August 06, 2015 - 08:07 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Well I have a going concern, are they finally going to make the AX model?

Long overdue!!!
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Hughlysses
Posted on Thursday, August 06, 2015 - 08:55 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

So, is it time to move this discussion to "The Phoenix/Pegasus/EBR flies again" thread?

http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/406 2/767343.html?1438403748

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Oddball
Posted on Thursday, August 06, 2015 - 10:43 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I think Court's example would be "Going with no concern". lol
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Ferris_von_bueller
Posted on Thursday, August 06, 2015 - 11:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

This Bruce Belfer?

http://www.dailyfreeman.com/general-news/20150617/ man-charged-with-assault-at-taste-of-country-music -festival-was-a-security-guard
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Reepicheep
Posted on Thursday, August 06, 2015 - 11:56 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Sounds like it. But Belfer didn't win the auction.
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1313
Posted on Thursday, August 06, 2015 - 12:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

But Belfer didn't win the auction.

Mr. Belfer was in the court as principal of Atlantic Metals Group, LLC.

FWI
W,
1313
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Hughlysses
Posted on Thursday, August 06, 2015 - 12:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Further confirmation:

http://www.jsonline.com/business/erik-buell-racing -assets-sold-to-metals-company-for-225-million-b99 551917z1-320916221.html
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Pjd2ss
Posted on Thursday, August 06, 2015 - 12:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

This has to be a two people with the same name kind of thing. How does a guy who works security at a concert (six weeks ago) have the cash to buy Erik Buell Racing? Should I have cashed out my retirement fund and now I could be the new owner? This isn't making sense.

1313 - how do you know what you know?
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Court
Posted on Thursday, August 06, 2015 - 12:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Public information......well......is.

You know ..... Things like college records ..... Birth certificates.

Oops

Never mind.

:-)
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Reepicheep
Posted on Thursday, August 06, 2015 - 12:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thanks for the clarification Brankin!

Hugh, I was thinking this thread remains for "reckless speculation", and your thread (excellent idea) be reserved for actual facts. : )

Court, information required to be public is of course required to be public. And all animals are equal. But some animals are more equal than others....
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1313
Posted on Thursday, August 06, 2015 - 12:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

1313 - how do you know what you know?

I listened in on the Court proceedings this morning. The paperwork the Receiver has been sending out gave instructions on signing up.

I am not saying that the Bruce Belfer in the unfavorable link above is the same Mr. Bruce Belfer (principal of Atlantic Metals Group, LLC from this mornings Court proceedings) as I have absolutely no idea on that.

Sorry if that wasn't clear previously!
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Mrakz83
Posted on Thursday, August 06, 2015 - 12:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Did we miss a ghost post?
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Pjd2ss
Posted on Thursday, August 06, 2015 - 12:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I specifically meant this statement:

Mr. Belfer was in the court as principal of Atlantic Metals Group, LLC.

Since the appearance was just this morning, not much in public record yet - unless he knows someone present
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Hughlysses
Posted on Thursday, August 06, 2015 - 12:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Mr. Belfer has made several posts on Facebook on Erik Buell's page since the sale yesterday.
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Pmjolly
Posted on Thursday, August 06, 2015 - 01:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

All EBR owners and anyone with a claim was invited to listen in on the proceedings. Only a handful of people listened in. I was one of them. Brankin speaks the truth. Mr. Belfer was there in the courtroom representing Atlantic Metals Group, LLC.
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Tpoppa
Posted on Thursday, August 06, 2015 - 01:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Only $2.25 Mil, I thought it would be higher than that.
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Classax
Posted on Thursday, August 06, 2015 - 01:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

2.2M didn't even cover the cost of the DWD claim of 2.4M for the employees. I guess no one else will get paid until HERO's check clears....
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Moshaholic2
Posted on Thursday, August 06, 2015 - 01:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"Former employees were owed $202,000 in paid time off"

from the above article.

is the above article wrong in that amount?
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Classax
Posted on Thursday, August 06, 2015 - 02:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

2.2M didn't even cover the cost of the DWD claim of 2.4M for the employees. I guess no one else will get paid until HERO's check clears....
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Hughlysses
Posted on Thursday, August 06, 2015 - 02:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

^ Whatever the claim is, if the new owner re-hires the workers, would some of that claim go away?
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Buelliedan
Posted on Thursday, August 06, 2015 - 02:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I heard they had over 100 bikes in the inventory. Conservatively lets say they are worth $10,000 each that is a Million dollars right there. This buyer got an unbelievable deal!!
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Hughlysses
Posted on Thursday, August 06, 2015 - 02:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

A guy on another forum posted that he contacted the receiver last week who told him there were enough parts in the factory to build another 250 bikes. FWIW.
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Nobuell
Posted on Thursday, August 06, 2015 - 03:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Getting a 20M company for 2.2M is quite the deal assuming he has no other old liabilities. Assuming he has enough additional cash to operate, the company could move forward quickly if they can satisfy the parts vendors losses. I would guess that not all of the old employees would need to be re-hired. Those involved with the Hero engineering effort may not be needed. I would expect the man power going forward will be very lean.

The new owner will need to determine what type of company they want to be. A motorcycle manufacturer or Consulting Engineering Company or a racing company. What combination will provide the ROI required to move forward. If Hero was their only consulting client, then that may not provide the ROI.

With all of the burned dealers out there, I bet they have one chance to gain back the goodwill. I would expect all resources will be devoted to support the motorcycle product line and dealers. It will be interesting to see how vendor monies will be allocated. If the court simply awards based on a percentage, there could be a lot of upset vendors. Vendors for required parts may not be to willing to move forward due to their losses. Can their losses be offset by continuing to do business with them with the possibility of getting burned twice?

It should be quite interesting.
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Germblast
Posted on Thursday, August 06, 2015 - 03:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My curiosity come into play regarding the current bikes at the dealers that are trying to unload their inventory.
What happens to those bikes that are sold at huge discounts? Are there any type of warranty or are they sold as-is.
Also with the company being bought and could possibly start the production line back up, do the dealers bring the prices back to market or unload and get out?

I am interested in an SX, but with uncertainty it could go either way. Buy it now with the huge discount and with the risk of no support or wait and the prices go back up.

It sure will be interesting.
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Poppinsexz
Posted on Thursday, August 06, 2015 - 03:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

duh buy now
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