| Author | Message | ||
     Tod662 |
Here's a video FROM 2012 i'm not going to quit posting until you all sign a affidavit that you have watched it in its entirety.  https://youtu.be/nsDYAtKlsT4 | ||
| Aesquire |
Frankly, I don't believe you. Also, when did Bernie start running for Republican nomination? I get your enthusiasm for an honest leftist, as opposed to the lying sacks like Hillary, who fake NOT being a wannabe Dictator, and There Are a LOT of Republicans who LUV the power that Leftist policies give evil men, and indulge themselves. That's why the R's lost Congress after finally taking it back for the first time since World War Two. They promised to cut government, then when handed the cookie jar, went on a spending orgy... "at last! at last!... mine! Mine! Mine!" ( read that like the seagulls in "Finding Nemo" ) So the R voters kicked them out. Then the D's went on a binge, that has not stopped, and the New R's that, again, promised to cut the spending, are led by the Old Fart Rich Guy jerks that give the Party a bad name... and the current majority in Congress will not last if it doesn't change. Then the D's will go nuts again. Unfortunately the D voters never seem to abandon the lying sacks even when they screw them. If Jeb gets the nomination, get ready to cash in your retirement, since several D congresscritters have made noises about stealing it... Oh, they promise to dole it out to you, later. That's the Ponzie scheme that leads to Bad Ends. | ||
| Tod662 |
Aesquire you keep spouting about how democrats have held control of Congress in recent history, in the last 20 years republicans have controlled both houses for 12 years and the Democrats have controlled both houses for four, and republicans have had the majority in a single chamber for 15 sessions to the Democrats 7. And from 2003 to 2007 there was also a republican president…kinda. Now could there be a correlation between this and the great recession a year later that you probably figure is somehow Obamas fault? So using this simply laid out explanation can you perceive who has had more law making ability... probably not you will just start posting all kinds of unrelated drivel in an attempt to bury this. You just keep blathering on, repeating just what you are told to think and never mind the facts. See what I did there, I used real world statistics to bolster my opinion, you should try it some time. MAJORITYS IN CONGRESS Year Senate (100) House (435) President 2015 --- REP. 54--- REP 246--- D 2013 --- Dem 52--- Rep 232--- D 2011 --- Dem 56--- Rep 241--- D 2009 --- Dem 57 --- Dem 256 ---D 2007 --- Dem 49 --- Dem 233 ---R 2005 --- Rep 55 --- Rep 323 ---R 2003 --- Rep 51 --- Rep 229--- R 2001 --- Dem 50 --- Rep 221--- R 1999 --- Rep 55--- Rep 223--- D 1997 --- Rep 55 --- Rep 228--- D 1995 --- Rep 52 --- Rep 230--- D See what I did there, I used real world statistics to bolster my opinion, you should try it some time. | ||
| Reindog |
"spouting", "blathering", "drivel". Wow, you are quite the debater, Tod. | ||
| Tod662 |
Should I cut and paste a list if the times you, Aesquire and others have had no other argument but to call me names, and debased my thinking capacity? I'm surprised you haven't recently used the very childish tool of belittling my grammar and spelling. I guess I should strive for the level of decency shown in the cartoons that seem to be your only mode of expression. | ||
| Hootowl |
Not knowing how to spell is childish. Asking people to try to make their posts readable is not. | ||
| Aesquire |
Gee Tod, Recent, to me, is post WW2. Not since Jimmy Carter. Jimmy cost me and several million others their jobs, kickstarted the Jihad, and surrendered vast territory to the Soviets. I"m still apologizing for voting for him, and yet he was still not nearly the slime LBJ was, who wanted to send me to Vietnam while he mocked the stupid Negros ( I cleaned that up ) Most of MY life has been dominated by a D Congress passing racist, bad, and increasingly socialist laws that screwed us all ( but, minorities and Children most effected ) and took us into a succession of wars, or betrayed allies by abandoning them after a Republican President ( never my favorite folk either ) ended the wars they started. Arguably that Included the Afghan & Iraqi Fronts on Jimmy Carter's beginning the Caliphate war. Let's just say I have a tiny bit better historical perspective than you do. Some I lived through ( 8th round pick in the Last Draft ) some I've researched, ( ever build a Trebuchet? ) | ||
| Tod662 |
Show me how D's have started more wars then repubs, (you can have a list ready when we meet ) | ||
| Orman1649 |
I'll just leave this here. http://spectator.org/articles/42211/true-origins-f inancial-crisis | ||
| Reindog |
Ummmm... The Civil War: Lincoln (R). Pretty good thing we fought that one. Spanish American War: (R) WWI: Wilson (D) WWII: Rooselvelt (D) Korean War: Truman (D) Vietnam War: Kennedy/Johnson (D) Gulf I: Bush (R) Pretty good thing we fought that one also. Gulf 2/ The Stans: Bush (R) Probably not so good. | ||
| Orman1649 |
Everyone jumps all over Bush and the shit show was gulf 2. Most will agree that it was extremely poorly executed but we had to do something... Does no one remember September 11th 2001? | ||
| Reepicheep |
Depends on how you measure it. If you assume the war started with the first shot, its easy, but probably naive. For example, when did the WWII start with the Japanese? Perl harbor? Or was it the Japanese attacks on British colonies before that? Or the Japanese invasion of China before that? Or the US and British decision to enforce a maximum on the size of the Japanese navy that came before that? Obama has chosen to project either weakness or indifference (depending on your perspective) in a lot of areas where America used to be highly involved. Is that the root of the next world war? Consider Israel. Before Obama, it was pretty clear that an unprovoked attack on Israel is more or less an attack on America. Now, it isn't so clear. Before Obama, we went to pretty extensive extremes to prevent Iran from getting dirty nukes. Now, we seem a lot more half committed in the ways we try and stop them. So if Iran manages to create a dirty nuke, because now they can because we aren't stopping them anymore, and they deliver it to Israel, because they think they can, because Israel is small enough to beat, and then Israel responds with a real nuke on Tehran, to which the rest of the Arab world responds with another attack on Israel... Did Obama start that next world war? I don't know. Could he have prevented it? The things he stopped doing were working for 50+ years before he stopped doing them... There are no clear answers, but there seem to be a lot of clearly bad ideas being put in play... | ||
| Aesquire |
Most will agree that it was extremely poorly executed but we had to do something... The military part, the stomping of the Iraqi army and the freeing of the people, will someday be studied with great interest as a massive success. The Occupation OTOH, not so much & I've voiced my opinion on what should have been done before. Should haves.... Bunch of stuff to pick on. Different possibilities. Lot's of speculation. Don't recall children being crucified in mass quantities during the Bush years, though. Just saying. when did the WWII start with the Japanese? Logically, when the European powers & the U.S. abandoned China to the Japanese. quite a parallel to the Poland & Czechoslovakia events in Europe. Sanctions and embargo action didn't stop that war, or the Iraqi & Afghan Fronts. But it's a good question when a War starts. There's a long buildup to them usually. Some put WW1 & 2 & The Cold War as one long struggle between the Socialist/State Worship Cult and Western Liberal Civilization. Some may put the start of the long war as going hot in the middle of WW1 and not yet over. Others begin when Lenin was put on a train. Others near the end of WW1 the Russian Revolution. Good arguments can be made for all. | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/420906/marco -rubio-cuba-propaganda-new-york-times You know a man by his enemies. Good enemies, Marco. http://www.nationalreview.com/article/420874/ted-c ruz-2016-campaign-voter-turnout-data-analysis-plan s Shades of Buckminster Fuller. ( note to self, re-read "Walden Two". ) | ||
| Sifo |
Here's a video FROM 2012 i'm not going to quit posting until you all sign a affidavit that you have watched it in its entirety. I watched about a minute of that video and stopped. Sorry to hear you won't be posting any more. Complaining about the rich being rich is exactly the wrong thought process. You have to think about why the poor are poor. Socialism has never provided a vibrant middle class, much less a pathway from middle class upward. It's funny to see someone demonizing the evils of big business, while promoting big government. The evils of the two don't even compare. It's fairly easy for me to avoid a company that I have issues with. Government intrusion is done with the threat to life and liberty. I see no comparison at all. The sad thing is that people seem to think that low level workers at places like McDonald's, or Walmart should be a path to wealth. These jobs should be nothing but entry level jobs for kids who are learning what's expected of them in the work place. It always helps to have someone to demonize when your policies are eternally failing though. | ||
| Tod662 |
Ummmm... The Civil War: Lincoln (R). Pretty good thing we fought that one. Spanish American War: (R) WWI: Wilson (D) WWII: Rooselvelt (D) Korean War: Truman (D) Vietnam War: Kennedy/Johnson (D) Gulf I: Bush (R) Pretty good thing we fought that one also. Gulf 2/ The Stans: Bush (R) Probably not so good Here's a little more realistic Ummmm... The Civil War: Lincoln (R). Please show me (not really I gotta not look) any policy correlations between Lincoln and today's repubs. Spanish American War: (R) WWI: Wilson (D) ummm gosh maybe ok to get involved WWII: Rooselvelt (D) gee huh maybe this one to Korean War: Truman (D) if you want to use the invasion of 75000 reds swarming from the north as the beginning gee, yeah your right we should of let Korea become communist.... yeah right. Vietnam War: Kennedy/Johnson (D) WRONG After the Geneva Accords were signed between the French and Communist Viet Minh leading to a partition of Vietnam, Eisenhower decided to create the South East Asia Treaty Organization (SEATO) with the purpose of stopping communist influence in South East Asia. SEATO was used as a cover for Eisenhower to build a new nation in the South fighting against the Communists in the North. In 1955, the Republic of Vietnam was born with Ngo Dinh Diem as it leader Gulf I: Bush (R) yeah not really Gulf 2/ The Stans: Bush (R) Probably not so good- ya think??? Ummmm Lebenon R, Granada R, Panama R, Somalia R (im guessing at these Somolia may have been under Clinton (the first, he not she) ummm there's about 10 more conflicts just in the 20th century also. Now do you want to show me the % of Rs and Ds that have voted prowar in congress? The idea of dems As the eminent war hawks is a ludicrous thought. But if we wouldn't have gotten into unnecessary conflicts like ww1 or 2 we wouldn't have to worry about having this conversation most likely (atleast in english) now would we? Sifo once again your argument doesn't hold much water. "Don't have to Deal with big businesses if you don't want" you just can't comprehend the size of bp, monsanto, ge, to name a few. And big gov is bad... bloated is but regulations are needed or those companies would and do control many aspect of our life. It would take way to long to try to enlighten you to the intangelment of our lives in the webs of the mega corps. It doesn't surprise me you see no correlation (that's kinda another word for comparison) gosh the happenings of too big to fail banks sure don't affect us either. But like I keep saying I'm done. Hammer away. (Message edited by tod662 on July 12, 2015) | ||
| Tod662 |
And nobody's complaining about the rich being rich, but the true amount of taxes being paid by them and big corps is a joke. Capital gains tax being what 16%? What, so if you don't work for your money it should only be taxed half as much as all us working stiffs huh? And Flippin bp writing of all of the money they paid for the gulf and look at the number of fortune 500 companies that can go years without paying any taxes. End rant good night John boy. | ||
| Sifo |
The idea of dems As the eminent war hawks is a ludicrous thought. Well if BO gets credit for ending the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, then what's going on now must be new conflicts, right? So just under BO we have... Afghanistan Pakistan Libya Yemen Somalia Iraq Syria "That we know of" to quote the CNN article. http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/23/politics/countries-o bama-bombed/ I toss that out there simply because you are tossing out similar conflicts that you attribute to Republicans (wrongly in at least one case). As for how hard it is to not do business with big business, the comparison was with big government. One may be difficult to avoid, but the other will have folks with guns arrive at your door if you ignore them. See the difference? | ||
| Sifo |
And nobody's complaining about the rich being rich Actually, that's exactly what your buddy Sanders is complaining about. | ||
| Daddio |
I'll say it again-- Corporations DON'T PAY TAXES-- they merely pass them along as another cost of doing business. As an example, when you fill up at the pump, who nets more, the originating oil company, the federal gov't, or the state gov't? The answer? Depending on the state, the federal gov't, through direct taxes added at the pump, and all the other taxes collected up the pipeline. I thought you were done posting, since at least I didn't watch your screed... Also, Tod, do you mean to tell us you actually pay a 32% average (not marginal) income tax rate? (Message edited by daddio on July 12, 2015) | ||
| Aesquire |
Corporations don't pay taxes. Correct. They simply collect them by order of the government. Sometimes the gov. actually forbids the corp. from telling the customer what he's paying in taxes. See your phone bill. Some taxes ( a LOT of taxes in your phone bill ) are by law lumped together so you can't tell how much goes where. An example is free internet for schools is charged to phone bills, because only rich people can afford luxury wireless communication. ...... right? Mostly taxes are buried in the cost of goods and services. Cost of production, materials, taxes, plus profit plus shipping plus ( every step in the distribution chain costs ) equals price. When you buy a Hershey bar.... you pay for taxes in Africa and where you live. You pay for the bribes to get the chocolate on a ship and the mercenaries that protect the farmers and the corrupt governments from Tonga to Detroit. See economics class scene from "Back To School". | ||
| Court |
Tod: Tell me what's wrong with folks working hard, earning money and being rich. I notice that Barack tends to start fund raisers at the $35,000 a plate level. Does that bother you that he spends most his time with the ultra wealthy? He really likes them. Among their number are the Clinton family who's family foundation spends nearly all of its contributions... Most from foreign governments on "overhead" with almost no funds getting to the target organizations. The rich are the gLue holding this country together. The obamas and clintons know that we'll. | ||
| Sifo |
The sad thing about the Clinton foundation is that it is just a pass through organization that passes the cash to charities that actually do good works. These are the cheapest charities to run, yet theirs has among the steepest overhead for some reason. The most obvious reason is that it serves little purpose other than to launder cash. | ||
| Reindog |
Governor Walker is a leading candidate with a proven track record of fighting and winning against the Leftists who are gutting our country from within. I like him.  | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/421045/donal d-trump-fraud Trump Fans, It’s Time for an Intervention | ||
| Hootowl |
Right out of the Alinsky play book. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/07/17/huffing ton-post-decree-trump-to-be-covered-as-entertainme nt-not-politics/ | ||
| Aesquire |
"If he doesn't like the coverage he can buy it." Yeah he could. Serve you all right if he did and fired you all and turned huffpo into the Trump Campaign Blog site. The rest of us however have to choose to believe huffpo propaganda or not on a case by case basis. Unfortunately they occasionally tell the truth so you can't just reject them as sociopathic liars...... even Bill had to tell the truth from time to time or he'd never get his Big Mac. ( oddly, not a sex reference this time ) | ||
| Court |
My main man is in town screwing up traffic......"occupying" a $15,000/ night room ( he can no longer stay at the Waldorf-Astoria since the Chinese bought it and it may be bugged) ...tying up traffic and making a mes as he attends $35,000 a head fund raisers in $50,000,000 homes and declares himself a champion of the unwashed middle class This guy is a laugh a minute By the way ..... I'm a bit ticked off. Why...can you explain ...must they close Central Park when he is just driving past with his kids. Screwed up my evening jog. | ||
| Aesquire |
You peasants just don't understand the pressure the aristocracy is under. "It's good to be King, Pull!" | ||
| Reepicheep |
Trump is an idiot, but he is no more of an idiot then Biden. Put them both on the entertainment page. |
