| Author | Message | ||
     Hootowl |
"The New Testament is hollowed out without the back story of the Old Testament." Sure. Nothing wrong with a back story. What I said was, "I don't put much stock in the old testament and its funky rules". Like not eating pork. Or that not washing my hands before I eat is a sin. Or putting the commandments of men (what I can wear or eat) before those of God. Read verses 1-23 http://biblehub.com/kjv/matthew/15.htm "There might be one or two of the Laws Moses brought down from the mountain you might consider worth following?" See above. | ||
| Mackja |
The new testament is hidden in the old, and the old is revealed in the new. The are linked, inseparable. Cannot understand the new with out the old. With out the old how do we know that Christ is the messiah, that He fulfilled the scriptures. This is a ancient heresy call Marcionism developed by Marcion in the 140's, it persisted in various forms for about 300 years. Maricon was condemned and excommunicated by the Church. Marcionism is very close to gnosticism, another heresy in the early Church. (Message edited by mackja on May 22, 2015) | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Understood. It is those "funky rules" which were at issue during Jesus' life. The relationship of the Covenant between God and the Jewish people was exchanged for layers and layers of man created rules and regulations. God provided Ten Commandments. His yoke was easy. "Jesus replied, "And you experts in the law, woe to you, because you load people down with burdens they can hardly carry, and you yourselves will not lift one finger to help them." Those "funky rules" were the hurdle preventing man from living a truly restored relationship with God. | ||
| Mackja |
No doubt, I don't think they really understood, another reason for the messiah. Jesus put those laws in their proper understanding, something they would have been incapable of doing with out Him. If you have never studied scripture by means of typology, I would suggest giving it a go. Really links the old and new in a vibrant way, sheds light on what we are discussing here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typology_(theology) | ||
| Tankhead |
This is from Indians.org. I copy and pasted this to allow the reader to ponder the following question(s). If these people believed in a creator and this creator has nothing to do with religions that from the other side of the world and had no knowledge of Christianity, Jewish religion, Muslim religion, do they believe in false Gods? How do you view their spirituality and heaven that some here believe? Are they not saved? Do they meet their creator? If they don't believe in meeting their creator but instead come back as animals (or visa versa) or other native americans do you, who believe in Christianity, feel that they have it wrong? How do you feel that people in our government interfered with their spirituality and some were thrown in prison for many years if they did not change their beliefs? Here is the passage:: Native American Spirituality It isn't hard to see the depth of native American spirituality just by looking at their handmade craft works. Native American spirituality includes a strong reverence for animal life, the environment, and each other. Native American spirituality is not the same as the religion of most people. Organized religious meetings are not a part of native American spirituality. History shows that originally, native American spirituality was more of a way of daily life. One thing that is very perplexing about native American spirituality is that the reverential use of tobacco has been devastating to the Caucasian race. Just as perplexing is the fact that alcohol consumption, even though not used in native American spirituality and stemming from the white man, has caused just as much havoc on native Americans. Native American spirituality is not the same for every tribe. Native American spirituality includes rituals that represent hunting and growing of earth’s produce, which was such a prevalent way of life for native Americans. History shows that native American spirituality included many ceremonies and rituals that were practiced before, and even after hunting expeditions. It was thought that native American spirituality in this way would insure continued success in hunting. History shows that in general, the white man viewed native American spirituality to be nothing more than a bunch of superstitions and old wife tales. Tribal leaders who practiced native American spirituality were sometimes subjected to a jail term of thirty years. The United States and Canadian governments forcibly tried to change the way native American spirituality was practiced by converting them to their so called suitable religions. History also shows that certain tribes had leaders called Shaman, who were responsible for overseeing native American spirituality. History shows that native American spirituality held that spirits entered the Shaman’s body during ceremonies, and by beating drums and chanting, the process would be more successful. Native American spirituality caused the tribes to believe that the Shaman could tell why a hunting expedition did not turn out successfully, or why sicknesses affected some in the camp. Native American spirituality commonly employed beliefs that spirit creatures controlled the weather, hence the reason for the rain dance and other similar rituals. History shows that part of some native American spirituality held that animals were originally humans, and they share the same ancestors. Several differing beliefs exist in native American spirituality about life after death. At reaching the age of puberty, young boys traveled outside the camp into the wilderness, where they could receive a vision of native American spirituality that would guide them as they finished reaching adulthood, and continuing on throughout life. Females did not go through this type of native American spirituality. The part of native American spirituality that was called the Sun dance was a religious ritual to pray for continual life, that of humans and the earth’s bounty. The Sun dance also brought good health, friendship with other tribes, and thanked the Creator who oversaw native American spirituality. The main feature of native American spirituality, no matter which tribe is the relationship of man with the land. Thanks for your thoughts | ||
| Aesquire |
The above is mostly true. Central & South American native religions were quite different, but the North American tribes, varied as they are, were mostly "relationship with the land" folk. At least in revised history. Not sure how true it was all over. It was never a monolithic Continent. There are big differences between North West and Central Plains, and South East tribes that have been erased partly by forced migration, and partly by revisionist romantics. There is no doubt the White Invaders did horrific things, well into my lifetime, against Native faiths. In Canada, too. IN my lifetime, not some ancient past. I noticed that the first Viking Temple in Iceland in 1000 years recently began construction. http://www.history.com/news/first-viking-temple-in -1000-years-coming-to-iceland Here's an editorial on the rise of that faith, recently. http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/ 2015/02/03/how-thousands-of-icelanders-started-wor shiping-the-norse-gods-again/ People seem to feel a need for faith in something bigger than themselves. Not all people are comfortable with the fit of a religion begun by shepherds, nomads, and city folk in a war torn land nothing like their own. The rise of Christianity in places like Norway & Iceland was not one of peaceful witnessing. It was war to the death of whole peoples. | ||
| Mackja |
The history to religions in world has to makes you think why, for what reason, are we some how wired or connected to a creator? The one really big difference between Christianity and the rest of all those other religions, is the Christian God made Himself present to us. In the old testament it says He will be called Emanuel, (God with us) their was an expectation of God being with His people. God made Himself present in the world in the person of His only begotten Son, Jesus Christ. Now either Jesus was a complete psyco nut job or He is who He says He is. I go with the latter. | ||
| Tankhead |
Central & South American native religions were quite different. Yeah they had the Spanish and the Portuguese to change their beliefs. Iceland has some incredible historical museums. Went there in 2009. Very interesting history. Some believe that Jesus was a fictional character created by the romans American Biblical scholar Joseph Atwill will be appearing before the British public for the first time in London on the 19th of October to present a controversial new discovery: ancient confessions recently uncovered now prove, according to Atwill, that the New Testament was written by first-century Roman aristocrats and that they fabricated the entire story of Jesus Christ. His presentation will be part of a one-day symposium entitled "Covert Messiah" at Conway Hall in Holborn (full details can be found at http://www.covertmessiah.com). Although to many scholars his theory seems outlandish, and is sure to upset some believers, Atwill regards his evidence as conclusive and is confident its acceptance is only a matter of time. "I present my work with some ambivalence, as I do not want to directly cause Christians any harm," he acknowledges, "but this is important for our culture. Alert citizens need to know the truth about our past so we can understand how and why governments create false histories and false gods. They often do it to obtain a social order that is against the best interests of the common people." Atwill asserts that Christianity did not really begin as a religion, but a sophisticated government project, a kind of propaganda exercise used to pacify the subjects of the Roman Empire. "Jewish sects in Palestine at the time, who were waiting for a prophesied warrior Messiah, were a constant source of violent insurrection during the first century," he explains. "When the Romans had exhausted conventional means of quashing rebellion, they switched to psychological warfare. They surmised that the way to stop the spread of zealous Jewish missionary activity was to create a competing belief system. That's when the 'peaceful' Messiah story was invented. Instead of inspiring warfare, this Messiah urged turn-the-other-cheek pacifism and encouraged Jews to 'give onto Caesar' and pay their taxes to Rome." Was Jesus based on a real person from history? "The short answer is no," Atwill insists, "in fact he may be the only fictional character in literature whose entire life story can be traced to other sources. Once those sources are all laid bare, there's simply nothing left." Atwill's most intriguing discovery came to him while he was studying "Wars of the Jews" by Josephus [the only surviving first-person historical account of first-century Judea] alongside the New Testament. "I started to notice a sequence of parallels between the two texts," he recounts. "Although it's been recognised by Christian scholars for centuries that the prophesies of Jesus appear to be fulfilled by what Josephus wrote about in the First Jewish-Roman war, I was seeing dozens more. What seems to have eluded many scholars is that the sequence of events and locations of Jesus ministry are more or less the same as the sequence of events and locations of the military campaign of [Emperor] Titus Flavius as described by Josephus. This is clear evidence of a deliberately constructed pattern. The biography of Jesus is actually constructed, tip to stern, on prior stories, but especially on the biography of a Roman Caesar." How could this go unnoticed in the most scrutinised books of all time? "Many of the parallels are conceptual or poetic, so they aren't all immediately obvious. After all, the authors did not want the average believer to see what they were doing, but they did want the alert reader to see it. An educated Roman in the ruling class would probably have recognised the literary game being played." Atwill maintains he can demonstrate that "the Roman Caesars left us a kind of puzzle literature that was meant to be solved by future generations, and the solution to that puzzle is 'We invented Jesus Christ, and we're proud of it.'" Is this the beginning of the end of Christianity? "Probably not," grants Atwill, "but what my work has done is give permission to many of those ready to leave the religion to make a clean break. We've got the evidence now to show exactly where the story of Jesus came from. Although Christianity can be a comfort to some, it can also be very damaging and repressive, an insidious form of mind control that has led to blind acceptance of serfdom, poverty, and war throughout history. To this day, especially in the United States, it is used to create support for war in the Middle East." Atwill encourages skeptics to challenge him at Conway Hall, where after the presentations there is likely to be a lively Q&A session. Joining Mr.Atwill will be fellow scholar Kenneth Humphreys, author of the book "Jesus Never Existed." Has anyone here ever heard about this concept? How do people here feel about that? | ||
| Tankhead |
Apparently the Mormans believe that the native americans were actually Israelites. They look too Asian to me. Bering strait(ish). But to each his own. | ||
| Tankhead |
And of course the Scientologists believe that Xenu the dictator of the Galactic confederacy brought over billions of people to earth (Teegeeack to them). And that the thetans (immortal spirits) of these aliens adhere to humans, causing spiritual harm. This is also something to ponder. How long can a Thetan hold on to a mortal being? Their entire life? Can many various thetans adhere to one human or do they have to wait for one Thetan to let go before another Thetan leeches to the host? | ||
| Aesquire |
Yeah they had the Spanish and the Portuguese to change their beliefs. I'm talking before that when the whole "cut the heart out with the obsidian knife" thing was in style. City dwellers on an artificial island & pyramid makers were not the same "of the land" folk as Cherokee. Some believe that Jesus was a fictional character created by the romans ............. "but what my work has done is give permission to many of those ready to leave the religion to make a clean break. ...... It may look like good research, but the agenda came first. Biblical refutation =Global Warming? I did like How could this go unnoticed in the most scrutinised books of all time? "Many of the parallels are conceptual or poetic, so they aren't all immediately obvious. After all, the authors did not want the average believer to see what they were doing, but they did want the alert reader to see it. An educated Roman in the ruling class would probably have recognised the literary game being played." Atwill maintains he can demonstrate that "the Roman Caesars left us a kind of puzzle literature that was meant to be solved by future generations, and the solution to that puzzle is 'We invented Jesus Christ, and we're proud of it.'" How do I feel about it? Like a Dan Brown Novel. I enjoy the long winded exposition in his books. I take then as novels, like H.P. Lovecraft's "Mountains Of Madness". I don't expect to find Cthulu in Antarctica, or the Nazi Flying Saucer base. Fun to read about if you're in the mood. I generally prefer Hard Science fiction, but I've enjoyed an occasional Elf story. Mercedes Lackey has a great series on Urban Elves, some into car racing. ( The Urban Elves books are written with others, her solo stuff tends to have angsty gay wizards, and leaves me bored with lengthy contrived emo passages. More fun for me is the fictional Secret Vatican History books by Brown. Better yet, give me Clive Cussler. ) Apparently the Mormans believe that the native americans were actually Israelites How about the Welsh settlers before Columbus? Those tribes were wiped out by plague in the wake of European intrusion, so it's a mystery never to be solved. Larry Niven's "The Magic Goes Away" series has it the Native Americans came here to escape a plague of Vampires in China, using magic to cross the ocean. Works as well as walking across an ice bridge, right? Pure fiction, but fun. Some say.... Shakespeare didn't write the plays he is credited with. The World Trade Center was dropped by controlled demolition. ( I watched a multi hour rant on that one.... They even showed the seismograph traces. Since the Twin towers fell exactly as described in "The Towering Inferno" from the 1970's and the traces show exactly the same sequence described in the novels, I found it Proof that the authors were lying... I thank them for publishing their own rebuttal, even if they didn't mean to ) Hillary Clinton is an honest woman. And Aliens rule the world, that's why all those Mars probes failed....  | ||
| Sifo |
Hey Tankhead, would you care to share your beliefs? You seem more than willing to share the beliefs of many religions, but seem to want to criticize the Christian faith. Is that really your only point? How about sharing what YOU believe? | ||
| Aesquire |
Now either Jesus was a complete psyco nut job or He is who He says He is. I go with the latter. Feel free. As Han Solo said, "Never tell me the odds". If a guy on the street corner told you God told him to spread the word of Peaceful Coexistence with others, would you follow him, or thank him politely and move on? Seriously, what a psycho! Peaceful coexistence.... Hah! Just because no one has written a book about him yet doesn't mean his message isn't real... I mean I'm skeptical, but you believe what you want. In Islam, Mohammed was the Last Prophet. No more after him. So the guy on the corner is insane or a false prophet. Not my faith, not my rules. I don't recall Jesus closing out the possibility that others would get revelations and pass them on. of course, I could be wrong.  | ||
| Aesquire |
And of course the Scientologists believe .... Possibly the biggest fortune made from a Bar Bet. Didn't do Foster, I mean Hubbard much good in the long run. | ||
| Tankhead |
Hey thanks for the invite Sifo. I am sorry about thinking that I am criticizing the christian faith only. I feel that I am asking questions for discussion. I don't think i can define exactly what I believe. I know that I was born and at some point I will die. Born and raised Catholic. I started having questions when my brother (two years my senior) started researching other faiths while going to a catholic high school. I was still in middle school (catholic). Fast forward and to answer your question the best way I know how is this: Find the truth even if it might be uncomfortable and never ending. Never settle for one idea there are more than one. I am not a democrat or a republican. I lean libertarian. However the older I get the more I tend to have problems with some of Ayn Rand's objectivism. I do not participate in religion. I have no reason to because I do not believe in a god. I do not believe that there is life after death. If there comes a time that we discover something other than this world whether that be other extra worldly beings or what ever then I will agree that it is so. So I believe that in the years that I am here I will do my best to be honest to myself and others, enjoy my family and friends and try to find the truth in history as much as I can. Try not to inflict harm on others, enjoy nature, science and technology and basically try and enjoy the time that I am here. I hope that makes some sense. Thanks for asking. I appreciate that. | ||
| Tankhead |
Oh yeah I forgot, Can I ask what you believe Sifo? I think you spoke about this on other threads, and I appreciate you mentioning the book that you read a couple of years ago on another thread I will try and read that when I can. Thanks for that it sounds very interesting. (Message edited by tankhead on May 24, 2015) | ||
| Tankhead |
As far as religion and politics. I don't appreciate labels. I don't appreciate governments that lie to the people they are supposed to protect for another agenda. I don't appreciate propaganda. I wish that people could maybe start to think for themselves and come to conclusions based on logic and rational thought. I feel bad for people that were taken advantage of from others who believe in other ancient ways and then push that on other culture that believe in other things. I know it sounds like I am criticizing but that is actually not really the case. Aesquire calls me a cynical person. That maybe true the older I get. However, for instance the debate here many times about which atrocities were greater from atheist rulers or from religious rulers, I think that all of that is a bogus argument. They are all horrible. Power, I am learning, is the most bastardized concept. It destroys logic, reason, and becomes a never ending disturbing psychological shit storm in the end. (Message edited by tankhead on May 24, 2015) | ||
| Sifo |
Tankhead, thanks for the response. A bit more than I was really looking for, but that's fine. Te part that is pertanant to this conversation would be... I do not participate in religion. I have no reason to because I do not believe in a god. I do not believe that there is life after death. But that's the crux of the matter though, isn't it. You do believe something, and your beliefs are not compatible with other beliefs. Clearly, one of us, at a minimum, MUST be wrong in our beliefs. Yet we both have our beliefs. That's just the way it is. You have no more proof that there is no God than I do that there is a God. Yet we both have our beliefs. It goes beyond simple logic. That's a hard part for me too. I wrote computer code for most of my life. I'm good at it. Concise logic rules! Religious beliefs, including atheism, can't be worked out with logic though. I do get a chuckle when people try to claim that atheism is the logical choice though. It just isn't. However, for instance the debate here many times about which atrocities were greater from atheist rulers or from religious rulers, I think that all of that is a bogus argument. They are all horrible. I have to agree with you on this. I would point something out though. Pretty much, without an exception, this argument starts with someone slamming religion and using this to make their point. It is a point that they are wrong about though. The greatest atrocities have been committed by people who are not engaged in any sort of religious war. That's verifiable fact, and worth getting straight, especially for anyone who cares for logic. Logic is worthless without facts as a foundation. My beliefs? I would have to call my self a non-denominational Christian. Yep, organizing religion tends to muck it up. That doesn't change the underling premise though. That's where you need to start. | ||
| Aesquire |
Aesquire calls me a cynical person. That maybe true the older I get. Duh. Some call it being sane. I was just amazed that someone can be more cynical than ME.  ( not counting of course people like Bill Clinton, who can look you in the eye and accuse you of being evil for pointing out his lies. That's not cynical, that's psychopathic. ) | ||
| Aesquire |
atrocities were greater from atheist rulers or from religious rulers Some thing. A hard core atheist is just as religious as any Hindu. More important, the so called atheists that have murdered more people than cancer are the acolytes of a religion themselves. A man made religion deliberately constructed to fool people and give power to the few. Marx imagined himself as Lucifer, taking Heaven by storm, or at least ruling Earth in God's place. Alinsky dedicated "Rules For Radicals" to Lucifer, the first rebel. The cult of the Holy State has a Jealous God, who can tolerate no other, and never tolerate the truth. Why do you think China's Glorious Leaders persecute all other religions? A MAJOR reason for the radicalization of Islam is the Soviet's suppressing religion in their occupied territories. When you jail the moderate, law abiding preachers, you leave the crazy guys in the caves. Welcome to modern Islam. Sure the money and training come from the Saudi's and the Royal family paying off the preachers to keep the masses from overthrowing them. But it's the actions of the Soviets that torqued off so many. And being masters of the Lie, they point them at us, a freedom loving people that freed more Muslims from tyranny than anyone else in history. ( of course there are more people now than ever in history to save... ) Notice the current Russian regime pays the Church to keep the propaganda going in the right flavor. Putin no more believes in Christianity than the tooth fairy, His faith is Power. Sure, it's a demonic evil religion that makes Baal look good, but it's religion. | ||
| Tankhead |
You do believe something, and your beliefs are not compatible with other beliefs. Clearly, one of us, at a minimum, MUST be wrong in our beliefs. Yet we both have our beliefs. That's just the way it is. You have no more proof that there is no God than I do that there is a God. Yet we both have our beliefs. I agree. -------------------------------------------------- ------------- The greatest atrocities have been committed by people who are not engaged in any sort of religious war. That's verifiable fact, and worth getting straight, especially for anyone who cares for logic. Logic is worthless without facts as a foundation. Killing one person or a million is killing so I don't agree that is worth getting straight as far as who killed more . I feel that is a waste of time and missing the point thus I tend to not post on those threads. So we can agree to disagree. -------------------------------------------------- ------------- "That doesn't change the underling premise though. That's where you need to start." No need for me to start there. That's where I began. I find the story of Jesus a fascinating and up lifting story. Remind me to post the story of a crown of thorns (poison ivy) that I made at the age of ten and a big tree trunk on my back carrying it around acting out the stations of the cross in my backyard... Thanks, got to get back to building these bluebird houses now. Have a great rest of your weekend, Sifo. Happy Memorial day. | ||
| Tankhead |
More important, the so called atheists that have murdered more people than cancer are the acolytes of a religion themselves. A man made religion deliberately constructed to fool people and give power to the few. Can you elaborate? Not sure what you mean? Thanks | ||
| Mackja |
The notion that Jesus was some made up person is really far fetched. The witness of the apostles themselves gives proof. I mean who would go to there death for a make believe person. All but John died as martyrs for the faith, you could not create this type of scam, and hide it for 2000 years. If this was perpetrated by the Roman authorities why would they persecute the Christian's for 300 years. I have read the works of Josephus and Eusebius, along with all the first generation of Church Fathers (ordained by the Apostles)I will have to say that is a theory and it will always remain a theory. Think I will dust off Josephus and go over it again, been a long while. | ||
| Aesquire |
Can you elaborate? Not sure what you mean? Sure, Karl Marx created a religion specifically to overthrow the aristocracy, ( royalty, businessmen, whatever ) and replace them with, well, himself and his absinthe drinking buddies. Started "Communism" when a student getting high at college, bitching about how unfair the world was, a brat from a well off family, ( they could afford to send him to college ) and probably today would be in Vampire makeup listening to bad Goth music. Big fan of Satan, wrote bad poetry about wanting to be, not King, but the replacement for God. In the same sense that "Satan's greatest trick was convincing people he did not exist" Marxism is not by any means a functional "economic system". It is, simply, and purposefully, a religion of lies meant to overthrow the "establishment" and replace it with a "new, Improved" aristocracy, with no chains of morality or conscience. Marx pretty much stole everything he wrote, from the Bible, the Pilgrims that settled in Mass., Nietzsche, the pop pseudoscience psychology of the time, and a lot from Adam Smith. The result has been more murders, not war casualties, but deliberate murder, than have died from any other cause.... except perhaps disease if you can guess totals from the cave man days... maybe. Note this website clearly under guesses China's total. it may be as high as 500,000,000 plus, but how could you tell? It's not like the Chinese government admits to murders seen on television. It's a Workers Paradise, right? http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/NOTE1.HTM Pretty much confirms the original post on this thread. Organized religions, bureaucracies of people, run by people, can be evil. This is a separate issue from what an individual human believes. Allah did not conquer Spain, People using an organization that exploited people's desire for faith did. That Islam is a construct built for just that purpose, has nothing to do with the existence of Allah. Or Baal. Or Coyote. | ||
| Aesquire |
If this was perpetrated by the Roman authorities why would they persecute the Christian's for 300 years. playing Devil's Advocate here, it makes sense to make your fake religion more sympathetic by making it a persecuted one. Look at Hillary & Bill. You have a guy who, even if none of the rape allegations are true, abused his position of power to get laid, and screwed over a lot of women. His wife, wanting to stay on the gravy train, spent a lot of time playing Tammy Wynette songs, and playing the big victim to get sympathy. Today any criticism of the loving couple is beating on victims of vast conspiracies.... The Romans were more than capable of figuring this out, and creating false sentimentality. That said, I don't believe the guy who wrote a book on how Jesus was a Roman plot for a minute, looks like crackpot anti Christian crap to me, and he's pretty clear it's all about getting people to give up Faith. So while I bet the author doesn't believe in Satan, IF Satan does exist, he's laughing and quite proud of the guy. | ||
| Blake |
Where do you get truth without God? Science tells us that the universe is headed towards inevitable heat death, complete and total oblivion, asymptotically approaching homogenous absolute zero. Given that and absent God, with only naturalism, life can have no true/objective meaning. It's all just rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. No matter what, the end remains total death, oblivion. Any imagined meaning is fleeting, illusory, self-delusion. But none can live according to such a world view. Because we are much more than mere material, more than interactions of subatomic particles. We all know this. There are literally an infinite number of possible answers to the question of what is 2+7. Only one of them is true. Yet we find that one true answer. "I am the way, the truth, and the life." "If you will abide in my word, you will truly be my disciple, and you shall know the truth, and truth will set you free." Seek truth. | ||
| Tankhead |
That said, I don't believe the guy who wrote a book on how Jesus was a Roman plot for a minute, looks like crackpot anti Christian crap to me, and he's pretty clear it's all about getting people to give up Faith. Pretty sure there are more sources of this besides this one dude. But whatever. We were not there at the time. Who knows?? Just like the new testament was supposedly written a hundred or a couple hundred or so years after Jesus was supposed to have been around. No big. We will never know the whole truth. | ||
| Tankhead |
The witness of the apostles themselves gives proof. Not sure about that. | ||
| Tankhead |
life can have no true/objective meaning Hmmmm, not sure about that. I feel great today and have been living with this world view since I was about 18-19. My family and I are doing just fine. Thanks though. | ||
| Tankhead |
I would like the truth about 911. That story smells like pure manure. But I guess that is a different thread for a different time. |
