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     Aesquire |
Passing a civil service test doesn't mean your life matters more than anyone else. Why on Earth would you think it does? Nor does winning a popularity contest. You can be a liar, incompetent at any meaningful task, and a sociopath that believes him or herself a God while all you Insects! should bow before them, and feel nothing but barely suppressed rage when they do not... And still win a vote and ruin peoples lives. Self importance is not real importance. So, seriously, what's with the Cop hate? You are not among blind followers of the Man here. Cops have a crappy job, and I sure don't want to do it. Don't automatically assume they are right or wrong. bad cops should be prosecuted and punished exactly the same as bad criminals. More so. Did you read the Sheepdog essay? I haven't weighed in on the badly reported events that led to the death of this guy in Baltimore while in police custody. I didn't buy the police story completely, I don't buy the politician story today either. I sure don't buy the Union Story, but I approve of a different prosecutor if the one running the case has any interest in it. It looks like negligent homicide. It might not be. I might even be murder. I don't know, and can only hope justice happens. I know it won't be easy or clean in Baltimore after half a century on one party corruption. It wouldn't be here with a D party City and R party County governments. and yes, both are corrupt. (Message edited by aesquire on May 01, 2015) | ||
| Aesquire |
There have been VERY different "police kill citizen" cases lately. There have been a couple where self defense shooting was justified. Both by civilians and police. And the Media & the Hate Preachers have tried to exploit them. Pretty evil F*&^s to do so, IMHO. There have been cases where a man is injured by choke holds, had asthma, or other medical disasters, and the police let them die, which is negligent homicide and should be prosecuted with vigor...hammer the bastards. Absolutely. Time will tell if this Baltimore case is in that category. Rarely, cops deliberately shoot some one for their own reasons. prosecute. Period. Mistakes, lot's of those. Shot with bb-gun in hand, that can be reasonable self defense. Shot when cop freaks unreasonably, that's tough and his fault. Homicide. The one where the cop shoots the guy in the back, several times, on phone camera looks like a homicide to me, but I don't have any info on the seconds before the video. There are very rare cases where shooting a guy running away are justified. Don't think any of them apply in the current case. but, i have not followed the news on that, and it's not the Story Of The Day. Meanwhile the "Con kills Cop" trial locally continues. The Widow is torqued off at the media circus. Disclaimer i am not a lawyer. Do not take legal advice from me. I may have some of the legal words wrong, like Negligent Homicide, but I think I have the general idea. And I'm willing to argue my morals, if not my legalese. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
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| Reindog |
Tpoppa, Thank you!!!!! You played right into my hand. #BlackLivesMatter is nothing but BS relative to your very correct #LivesMatter. This is precisely what 99.99% of police believe. Thank you again. --Tom Reiner Carlsbad, CA | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/04/30/sharpton -calls-for-doj-to-take-over-policing-going-to-have -to-fight-states-rights/ And here we see the REAL thrust of this. Total Federalization of all police. Central control. Just like in....... The brutal murdering dictatorships Obama admires so much. | ||
| Tpoppa |
Thank you!!!!! You played right into my hand. ummm. No. Clearly you have me pegged as some left wing radical...which couldn't be more incorrect. But I'd like to hear more about you man crush on Rush Limbaugh. | ||
| Gaesati |
Sirs, I am Australian and god knows we have enough problems in our society of our own but I am not surprised by what is happening in your society. 3 years ago I was fortunate enough to spend 3 months in the United States and I have an unbounded respect for what it stands for. I found my interactions with individual citizens unfailingly good. However, as is my want , I spent a lot of time in wandering around and talking to people on street corners in Los Angeles, Las Vegas, Chicago, San Francisco, Philadelphia, Washington and New York. Talking to blacks, whites, hispanics, wounded veterans, unemployed and workers in low paid employment I constantly found people who had lost faith in the system and the American Dream. Yet, amongst the well paid, the established and even those who had been successful but suffered a reverse I found blank incomprehension of the anger and frustration of people on the bottom rung of the ladder. I don't think what you are seeing,in the streets is about race or policing per se but rather a divide opening up between those who believe and those who have no hope of betterment and feel that they have no stake in the country. I also feel that the U.S. has the moral and physical means to resolve these problems | ||
| Gaesati |
Sirs, I am Australian and god knows we have enough problems in our society of our own but I am not surprised by what is happening in your society. 3 years ago I was fortunate enough to spend 3 months in the United Staes and I have an unbounded respect for what it stands for. I found my interactions with individual citizens unfailingly good. However, as is my want , I spent a lot of time in wandering around and talking to people in Los Angeles, Las Vegas, Chicago, San Francisco, Philadelphia, Washington and New York. Talking to blacks, whites, Hispanics, unemployed and workers in low paid employment I constantly found people who had lost faith in the system and the American Dream. Yet, amongst the well paid, the established and even those who had been successful but suffered a reverse I found blank incomprehension of the anger and frustration of people on the bottom rung of the ladder. I don't think what you are seeing,in the streets is about race or policing per se but rather a divide opening up between those who believe and those who have no hope of betterment and feel that they have no stake in the country. | ||
| Sifo |
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| Sifo |
I'm guessing this Sheriff knows more about the legal process than most of us. His take on all of this is not good. Clarke: Freddie Gray Charges ‘Duke Lacrosse Case All Over Again’
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| Ferris_von_bueller |
There have always been poor people and there always will. In all of human history the middle class has existed for only a speck of time. I don't know what the circumstances are in other cities but these hoodlums in Baltimore are criminals plain and simple. It's a criminal culture and what the hell they really want is for the police to be gone or incapacitated so they can do what the hell they want. I think most Americans haven't a clue what goes on in the ghetto. | ||
| Figorvonbuellingham |
Sounds like a good plan to me...get rid of the police and let the "community" do as it pleases. Leave them to their own devices. | ||
| Aesquire |
That means your community will have to hire guards and set up barriers to keep the barbarians out. The dark ages sucked. Don't go there. Why would you want to abandon the citizens of that community to the barbarians? They are and always have been a minority. | ||
| Reindog |
Clearly you have me pegged as some left wing radical...which couldn't be more incorrect. All I know about you is that you are clearly anti-police. Wow, jumping to conclusions a wee bit, Tpoppa? But I'd like to hear more about you man crush on Rush Limbaugh. Silly rabbit. | ||
| Aesquire |
Seminar callers to talk shows are taught to lie. They always begin with "I've been listening for years and....... but." It's scripted and they are pretty obvious. You deny being a "left wing radical" which is good. They lie all the time and mostly to themselves. They also would deny being leftist fools. I got bored with Rush a long time ago. He's not that well read, does not do his research, & is completely predictable after a few weeks. He used to do comedy songs and, my favorite, a montage of all the news guys reciting the mantra of the day. Word for word propaganda from every network including Fox. Glenn Beck otoh, while a bit flakey, does do the research and often gets it right. Naturally he gets some things dead wrong.. Did you read the sheepdog thing? So. Please explain your viewpoint. It should be obvious by now I think cops that break the law deserve justice just like you or me. Even more because they took an oath. | ||
| Aesquire |
Ft, Those are some scary looking criminal types. Beady eyes, dead gazes. Like Lindsay Lohan but sober. | ||
| Gaesati |
My points that seem to me to follow from my (subjective) observation are that: a) if these alienated citizens exist in sufficient numbers and sufficient concentrations they form a useful constituency for divisive leaders in a society e.g. 5th century Athens or late republican Rome; b) where these citizens exist in sufficient numbers and concentrations they become a self sustaining culture hard to discipline and difficult to disperse I.e. Gothic settlers/refugees in the 3rd/4th/5th century Roman empire; c) Welfare payoffs tend to cement these cultures in place as in Imperial Rome and Byzantium; d)Policing and gaoling large numbers of these citizens results in a radicalising culture within the prison system. While back in the society, going to prison becomes a rite of passage for the more extreme members of the culture. The only example I can find where the disciplinary approach worked, albeit briefly, was in the 6th century when The general Belisarius collared all the rioters in the hippodrome in Constantinople and slaughtered the lot( a substantial proportion of the population by the way.) and ; e) The disaffected citizens of the ghetto culture will feel no compunction about looting and burning if they feel no stake in,or commitment to the society. How does a greater society ( and it's not just a U.S. problem) address this concentration of alienation and disaffection when welfare doesn't work by itself, policing and punishment doesn't work at civilised levels and muzzling the media and political minority leaders is unacceptable. How to change this culture is an issue for all western democracies. | ||
| Aesquire |
Good summation. The deliberate marginalization of the poor and the exploitation of minorities by the Klan Party and it's transition this century into Soviet lite techniques and goals is the reason for the income gap. Main goal being the destruction of Western civilization and replacement with an aristocracy that rules the peasants.... instead of servants of the citizens. What do you expect when both Hillary and Barack were endorsed by the Communist Party? | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
"We" never means we. "We" always means us and them. "It's for the children" never is. "For the good of all" means at the the high cost of some. Darkness is often cloaked in light, lies in what sounds like the truth. | ||
| Tpoppa |
It should be obvious by now I think cops that break the law deserve justice just like you or me. Even more because they took an oath. I couldn't agree more. Read the Constitution & the Bill of Rights. The writers weren't trying to protect the rights of the gov't or police. They were trying to limit the power of gov't and police to protect the rights of citizens! They were trying to prevent the situation we have today. There are plenty of good cops, but the bad ones make them look bad. I don't hate police. I have a serious concerns about the number of dirty police. And to clarify: Cops on the take = Dirty Cops who lie under oath = Dirty Cops who believe the ends justify the means...when the means is violating civil rights - Dirty Cops who refuse to cross the "Blue Line" and testify against another officer - Dirty Cops who are aware of cops doing any of the above, but say nothing - Dirty The FOP will back any officer no matter how wrong his actions were. They reinforce the "Blue Line" concept, and create a culture of police who have little incentive to be good cops. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
If you are an ardent defender of the rights of citizens, you will find no greater ally. If you are a willing instrument of oppression and the violation of the rights of citizens, you will find no greater enemy. Time will tell who is who. | ||
| Sifo |
Cops who refuse to cross the "Blue Line" and testify against another officer - Dirty Cops who are aware of cops doing any of the above, but say nothing - Dirty Not much different than the thug motto of don't be a snitch. Thug is a thug, is a thug, regardless of what they wear, or the color of their skin. I'm still not convinced of what happened in the Baltimore case. | ||
| Hootowl |
"I'm still not convinced of what happened in the Baltimore case." Maybe the three white cops watched while the three black cops broke his neck. #BlackLivesMatter  . | ||
| Reepicheep |
Exactly. I get that cops risk their lives for me and my family every day. And I appreciate it. But I remember working nights in the computer lab for a college campus building in a really sketchy part of Cincinnati. We got a police (lieutenant I think) stationed down there on the night shift and he would come in and chat us up. He would go on and on bragging that he could speed anywhere and park anywhere and never get a ticket, down to the level where he told us how he would get vanity plates with "CP" (city police) then the badge number so all the other cops knew not to ticket him. And go on and on to us young college kids about the &^&% he could get away with. Thats the only bad cop experience I have ever had. And there is probably a reason that yahoo was buried in the basement of a downtown college campus building sitting on his ass all night with nobody around and nothing to do. So I'm sure he was a bad apple. It did make it clear to me that while most cops are awesome, there are some that aren't. But that wasn't even really a surprise and it didn't bug me *that* much. I think the part that left me subtly concerned was that all the good cops put up with it and let it work, and didn't give out speeding and parking tickets once another off duty cop showed them they had a badge. That the good cops wouldn't just say "yeah, this would be a nice perk, but the whiff and practice of institutional corruption just doesn't make it worth it, just pay the ticket like normal people if you get pulled over speeding". | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Oddly enough, the officer in the upper left was charged most severely (Depraved heart murder) of the 6. Maybe he's so depraved that he hates black people.  | ||
| Pwnzor |
I grew up with a black kid named Okema that literally hated black people (although he used that "other" word for them). His father was a Grape Street Crip, and joine the Gorilla Family in prison. His brother followed in dad's footsteps, although I don't think he got accepted into that higher fraternal order of Gorillas. Okema was smarter than most of us, and he really stuck out like a sore thumb in a lot of ways. At the beach, he sticks out. At Magic Mountain, he sticks out. At the Academic Decathlon, he sticks WAY out. He was very vocal on the subject of blacks being killed in the city jail facility in Long Beach, California. Mostly along the lines of "that n****r probably got what he deserved". Much to our chagrin, he usually like to spout off things like that while hanging out with all his white friends, where other black kids could hear it. He thought that was funny. I still talk to this guy on occasion... it's making me laugh just thinking about him. One of life's genuine characters. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Sadly, it's only Progressives that think blacks are incapable of succeeding without their help. I don't believe this to be true. | ||
| Aesquire |
http://pjmedia.com/victordavishanson/decoding-the- rules-of-baltimore/ Note a footnote on racial rioting. The perpetrators usually loot, harm, and burn their immediate vicinities. Four possible causes explain this phenomenon: a) it is far more convenient to riot in your own neighborhood; b) many of the targeted stores and their owners are deemed to be inauthentic members of the community (the owners are either racial minorities other than blacks, or considered entrepreneurs and at odds with the community); c) the police might not stand down if the rioting migrated to an upscale suburban shopping center; d) other minority groups and whites might arm and resist if the rioting hit their neighborhoods. I live in the country. I have zero fear of riots ever getting to my house, it's too far to walk. I used to live in the 'hood. Rochester NY is somewhat unique in that there are certainly bad neighborhoods with high crime, but there isn't a single geographic location for them. Crappy apartments in old houses are a block away from mansions now upscale apartments and businesses. Once they were middle class homes a block away from millionaires, Museums, and Industry. Blacks, Jamaicans, Puerto Ricans and Cambodians live next door to old Polish widows and red neck losers. I've walked every neighborhood in the city. Nearly every single street for days, and lived on the edge of the yuppified cutesy shops and restaurants with low income housing on the other. The only real "racism" I think I'm guilty of is assuming a nail salon will be run by Vietnamese and Cambodians. And even that cliche ( which may be local ) is slowly fading as I see others fill in jobs there over the years. I do wonder who ran the nail salons before The Democrat party chose to abandon Vietnam. Perhaps the next wave will be Syrians and Iraqis as the Democrat Party abandons another ally we spent treasure and blood to free from tyranny. Or perhaps Kebab shops will displace Jamaican Jerked chicken shops? But I digress. If Baltimore style Leftist supported race riots happen here, Again, it will be interesting to see how localized in the bad 'hoods it will, and can remain. Back in the late 1960's Rochester had riots & burning and some of those neighborhoods never came back. Business fled the violence and crime... Old, grand homes were demolished and replaced with Soviet Style Depressing Instantly crumbing concrete Housing. It's policy that drives the poverty, it's policy that drives the anger. It's been the policy of One Party for over 50 years to exploit both. Guess which Party is in charge in Baltimore? In D.C.? In Philly? In Ferguson? | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
1958: Battle of Hayes Pond (Maxton, North Carolina) 1962: Ole Miss riot, Oxford, Mississippi 1963: Birmingham Riot of 1963, Birmingham, Alabama 1963: Cambridge riot of 1963 (Cambridge, Maryland) 1963: Lexington Riot, Lexington, North Carolina 1964: Harlem Riot of 1964 (Harlem neighborhood, Manhattan, New York City) 1964: Rochester riot (Rochester, New York) 1964: Philadelphia 1964 race riot (North Philadelphia section of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania) 1965: Watts Riots (Watts neighborhood, Los Angeles, California) 1966: Division Street Riots (Humboldt Park neighborhood, Chicago, Illinois) 1966: Hough Riots (Hough community, Cleveland, Ohio) 1966: North Omaha, Nebraska (North Omaha community, Omaha, Nebraska) Long Hot Summer of 1967 1967: Tampa riots, (Tampa, Florida) 1967: Texas Southern University Riot (Houston, Texas) 1967: 1967 Detroit riot (Detroit, Michigan) 1967: Buffalo riot (Buffalo, New York) 1967: Milwaukee Riot (Milwaukee, Wisconsin) 1967: Minneapolis North Side Riots (Minneapolis, Minnesota) 1967: 1967 Newark riots (Newark, New Jersey) 1967: Plainfield riots (Plainfield, New Jersey) 1967: Cincinnati riots over controversial arrests in Avondale. Protests of 1968 1968: Orangeburg massacre (Orangeburg, South Carolina) 1968: Nationwide riots following the assassination of Martin Luther King, Jr. 1968: Baltimore riot of 1968 (Baltimore, Maryland) 1968: Chicago (April 1968) (Chicago, Illinois) 1968: Louisville riots of 1968 (Louisville, Kentucky) 1968: 1968 Washington, D.C. riots (Washington, D.C.) 1969: 1969 York Race Riot (York, Pennsylvania) 1970: May 11th Race Riot (Augusta, Georgia) 1970: Jackson State killings (Jackson, Mississippi) 1971: Camden Riots (Camden, New Jersey) 1972-1977: Escambia High School riots (Pensacola, Florida) 1975: Chaffey High School Race Riot enhanced by local sniper (Ontario, California) Post Civil Rights Era: 1978 to today 1978: Houston's Moody Park on the first anniversary of Joe Campos Torres death. 1980: Miami Riots (Miami, Florida) 1980: Chattanooga Riot (Chattanooga, Tennessee) 1984: Lawrence, Massachusetts Race Riot: A small scale riot centered at the intersection of Haverhill and railroad streets between working class whites and Hispanics; several buildings were destroyed by Molotov cocktails; August 8, 1984. 1989: Overtown Riot (Miami, FL) In a reaction to the shooting of a black motorcyclist by a Hispanic police officer in the predominately black community of Overtown in Miami, residents rioted for two nights. The officer was later found guilty of manslaughter. 1991: Crown Heights riot (Crown Heights neighborhood, Brooklyn, New York City) 1992: Los Angeles Riots (Los Angeles, California): In a reaction to the acquittal of all four LAPD officers involved in the videotaped beating of Rodney King, in addition to the Korean involved in the murder of Latasha Harlins; riots broke out mainly involving black and latino youths in the black neighborhoods of South Central Los Angeles and Korean-American neighborhood of Koreatown before spreading to the rest of the city including Downtown Los Angeles, Hollywood, Central Los Angeles, South Bay and the Westside, as well as neighboring cities including Compton, Long Beach, Inglewood, Lynwood, Huntington Park, Carson, Lawndale, Pasadena and Gardena, with minor situations in East Los Angeles and San Fernando Valley regions, but overall rioting was mainly to get out the frustrations of the racial groups over the racial tensions that were building in the South Central neighborhoods for years[citation needed]. The riots have also influnced similar situations in San Bernardino, Atlanta, Las Vegas, Seattle, San Francisco, Oakland, Chicago and Toronto. 1996: St. Petersburg Riots (St. Petersburg, Florida): After Officer Jim Knight stopped 18 yr. old Tyron Lewis for speeding, his car lurched forward and Knight fired his weapon, fatally wounding the black teenager. Riots broke out and lasted for about 2 days. 2001: Cincinnati riots (Cincinnati, Ohio): In a reaction to the fatal shooting of an unarmed young black male, Timothy Thomas by Cincinnati police officer Steven Roach, during a foot pursuit, riots broke out over the span of a few days. 2003: Benton Harbor riots (Benton Harbor, Michigan) 2005: 2005 Toledo Riot (Toledo, Ohio): A race riot that broke out after a planned Neo-Nazi protest march through a black neighborhood. 2006: Fontana High School riot (Fontana, California): Riot involving about 500 Latino and black students 2006: Prison Race Riots (California): A war between Latino and black prison gangs set off a series of riots across California 2008: Locke High School riot (Los Angeles, California) 2009: 2009 Oakland Riots (Oakland, California): Peaceful protests turned into rioting after the fatal shooting of an unarmed black man, Oscar Grant, by a BART transit policeman. 2014: Shooting of Michael Brown, later riots break out after the shooting was believed to be racially motivated. 2015: Death of Freddie Gray was an incident in which a suspect died in police custody and later protests turned into riots in Baltimore. | ||
| Reindog |
Officer Brian Moore died today as a result of being shot by a barbarian. Where are the protests and riots to avenge his death? Right, Tpoppa? #PoliceLivesMatter. |
