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     Reindog |
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| Ft_bstrd |
What ever happened to the spirit of self discovery. I am rebuilding a bike from the ground up. I have never done one. I want to learn how. I learn best by doing. We have lost something. "Don't color outside the lines" has crippled the American spirit. Maybe that comes from believing and treating men and women as though there are no differences between them. Educating boys using girl strategies. No children in my neighborhood (except mine) mow the grass. How can you not learn to do that? | ||
| Sifo |
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| Tpoppa |
"Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document says" What about the extra stop the van made. A stop the cops were hiding from everyone and was only discovered by a private company that had security cameras on the street. | ||
| Reindog |
Tpoppa, How did you get a copy of the police investigation? It was supposed to not be made public yet. You seem to have a jones against the police. Please explain. | ||
| Hootowl |
"Previously undisclosed" doesn't mean it was secret, or that they were hiding it. I didn't disclose to my boss that I stopped to get gas this morning. Am I hiding things from him? | ||
| Hootowl |
Reindog, Certain elements have been released. There was a "previously undisclosed" stop. The van stopped several times to pick up additional criminals from the arresting officers. | ||
| Reindog |
Thanks for the clarification, Hoot. | ||
| Sifo |
I watched an interesting episode of Through The Wormhole with Morgan Freeman today. This episode was about racism. They brought up a very interesting experiment. In short, they had subjects with a live fire arm making the decision to shoot or not shoot at an image of people who were either carrying a phone or a gun in their hand. They found that with white people, when they made a bad decision to shoot, it was heavily biased toward shooting an image of a black person. OTOH, they found that with black people, when they made a bad decision to shoot, it was equally heavily biased toward shooting an image of a black person. Perhaps... Just perhaps, it's not so much a matter of racism, but the preconceived notion of blacks, across both blacks and whites that is the problem. If only someone could come up with a working hypothesis about how that situation could have possibly come to be. Anyway, it was an interesting episode if you can find it somewhere. The episode was titled Are We All Bigots? | ||
| Hootowl |
"Are We All Bigots" Interesting. Perhaps the episode should have been titled, "Do human beings learn by observing their environment?" | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
There was also an episode of Through the Wormhole that explored the idea that some races are inherently more intelligent than others. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Sifo, I do believe that the larger "black community" is more prone to violence. The question is why? Why is success ridiculed? Why is voluntary alignment with societal norms of language, culture, dress, behaviors eschewed? Why are villains canonized and saints vilified? We are starting to see some of the very same rejections of societal norms in the "white community". Successful business men are vilified, whores with big asses are canonized. Up is down, black is white, wrong is right. | ||
| Airbozo |
Interesting Sifo. I'll have to watch that episode. I went to school with a back kid who decided to get out of the hood. We both came from poor disadvantaged families and neighborhoods. We both made something of our selves despite our circumstances. My family disowned me because I put success ahead of them. My friends supported me and are proud. His family supported him through all the hard times and are proud of his accomplishments. His friends called him a sell out and will have nothing to do with him. | ||
| Aesquire |
I'd like to point out that Jesse Jackson ( I could be wrong on this it might have been Rev. Al Sharpton ) said he feels the need to cross the street when a pack of young black men are on the sidewalk... or words to that effect. He was upset with himself for feeling that way. Don't blame him, it's a rational response to a situation. Not a fair thing, and somewhat prejudiced, but all prejudice is not wrong. It can be though. All prejudice is certainly not right. If you run away from imagined danger, you can run into real danger. Years of working in the 'hood informs me that bad people come in all colors and ethnic backgrounds. The lazy welfare stud that doesn't want to work can be any color. The rioting jerk can be any ethnicity. It is, however, true that black Americans have been subject to horrible racism. Jim Crow laws, gun control laws aimed at disarming the black man, welfare systems set up ostensibly to help the poor single mother, that instead penalizes women who get married. The current situation in America has been deliberately set up. Barry Obama, Nancy Pelosi, and others of that Party, have been pushing FOR violence for years now. The paranoid might say this is to have an excuse for dictatorship, the end of free elections, and a Presidente For Life. All possibly true, but it hasn't happened yet. But it is unmistakable, that some politicians preach hate. And they set these riots up. They may not have know the date or the location, but the fact that a city is burning after a series of Blame The Cops speeches is no surprise to them. Or if it is, they are clinically insane... Which also fits the fact of the matter. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
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| Aesquire |
http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2015/04/29/law-enforceme nt-source-claims-baltimore-mayor-ordered-police-to -stand-down-let-them-loot-its-only-property-video/ | ||
| Aesquire |
Court, have you read this essay? Bill Whittle's "Tribes"? http://www.ejectejecteject.com/archives/000129.htm l (Message edited by aesquire on April 30, 2015) | ||
| Sifo |
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| Tpoppa |
6 officers jailed. But don't worry. The officers could have killed him for no reason in front of news cameras and most courts are still toothless when it comes to convicting police officers. Get ready for some serious "testilying" http://www.nytimes.com/1994/05/02/opinion/controll ing-the-cops-accomplices-to-perjury.html | ||
| Reindog |
Wow, you sure don't like Mr. Policeman. What's your beef? #PoliceLivesMatter | ||
| Hootowl |
The prosecutor has a conflict of interest. The police union asked for a special prosecutor, but was denied. Another political prosecution. | ||
| Reindog |
State Attorney Marilyn Mosby must recuse herself as there is a conflict of interest with her relationship with the Gray's family attorney. Her announcement today was an appalling political speech rather than providing a legal justification for the indictments. Yes Tpoppa, we indeed are at a turning point. Again, why do you hate the police so much? #PoliceLivesMatter | ||
| S2t_bama |
I almost always find myself siding with the police in these high profile situations. Here, though, I can easily see using the van ride as a weapon on an unpleasant suspect. Sort of like a protracted version of the suspect "bumping his head" on the squad car door frame getting in. I'll bet there is zero padding in the back, just solid metal and edges. Put a guy in there with his hands cuffed behind him and no seat belt. Then take off as quickly as the van will go. Then stomp the brakes. Swerve from side to side. Bounce over a curb or two. Repeat in random order. Before long your suspect will be knocked senseless, unable to brace or dodge the next impact and serious injuries could result if the "hell ride" continues. I don't have any source to support this theory, other than the medical examiner's finding of homicide inside the van. But I also can't think of why they would have driven around making multiple stops without ever noticing that he was not secured back there. Unless it was intentional. I don't see race as much of a factor in this, but I do see bullying tactics taken to a tragic extent. | ||
| Reindog |
That is a possibility. Unfortunately, this case is being litigated in the street and not in a court of law. Our system is breaking down. | ||
| Figorvonbuellingham |
Our system started breaking down about 7 years ago. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
It started breaking down 50-100 years ago. We've only noticed in the last 7. | ||
| Sifo |
I've missed much of what happened today, but caught a quick bit about 2nd degree murder charges for six cops can little information from the coroner's report other than the cause of death being homicide. Keep in mind that homicide simply means that he didn't die of natural causes. Supposedly his injury came from contact with the door bolt at the back of the van. Could they really accelerate a van hard enough to throw him into the back of the van that hard? Why is there a "witness" with no know intelligence to the cops claiming the guy was beating himself around inside the back of the van? There will be many questions that need to be answered and have those answers cross examined. I would really like to believe that charging six cops with murder is the right call. I do have a very uneasy feeling that this was the politically expedient solution to getting the riots under control, from a mayor who made the decision to give them space to destroy property. I personally have a difficult time trusting the police, the politicians that are in charge of the police, the prosecutor, or the alleged criminal witness. It is time to let our justice system do the best it can without outside pressures. Hopefully they can sort through everything and come to a proper conclusion. Meanwhile, I have zero tolerance for the rioters. | ||
| Reindog |
As much as I opposed Obama in 2008 because of his politics, the election of a Black man was historic. I had hoped that he would have seized his opportunity to be a unifier. He could have stood on the shoulder of Martin Luther King. It was not to be. Obama has done nothing but divide us in order for him to garner power. We should be proud that we are converging on a merit society where race is not an issue. Instead, we increasingly distrust each other and I hold the demagogues responsible. Think about it. Watching the barbarians in Ferguson and Baltimore reach hero status by the compliant media is more than sickening. The Statists are succeeding in creating a permanent underclass that can only suck at the teat of the government. They pay no taxes and vilify everyone who is working hard to make a success of themselves and loved ones. I am beginning to lose hope. | ||
| Tpoppa |
#LivesMatter Fixed it for you. Passing a civil service test doesn't mean your life matters more than anyone else. | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
The Police wagon used in Baltimore is nothing more than a typical Chevy van. The back is divided into two sections running lengthwise. There isn't much room in there to move around. The reason cops don't secure the seat belts is because it's dangerous for the cops to get in the back with the prisoner who often are combative. They can spit or bite or thrust their bodies into the cops and frankly, the cops don't want to deal with it. I could never do that job you work with the worst of society that most people out in suburbia are unfamiliar with. |
