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     Badlionsfan |
\iEDIT: BTW, wasn't the second nurse a person of color?} Yes she is. First nurse appeared to be at least partially of Asian decent, but I don't know that one for a fact. I'm starting to feel like ebola fear is gonna cause more damage to this country than the disease itself. | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
No fear. The media/citizenry are returning their focus to terrorism | ||
| Badlionsfan |
Good news on the second nurse....http://www.newsnet5.com/news/local-news/cleveland- metro/health-officials-are-no-longer-able-to-detec t-virus-in-amber-vinson-abc-news-reports | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
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| Sifo |
Some interesting points are made in this article. Welcome to the new US health care system. Some U.S. hospitals weigh withholding care to Ebola patients | ||
| Aesquire |
Much as I'd like to this isn't an Obamacare issue. The ethics are not cut and dried. Say you are a doctor or EMT. How much should you risk your life to save another? Heroics aside do you rush into a burning building? No fire gear wearing a polyester uniform? Wait for folk with proper gear? Killing yourself means you never get to save anyone else. "Needs of the many"?? If we get hit, AGAIN, with biowarfare agents should I go on working? I work at vector central and deal with international parcels. I remind you the last biowarfare attack killed mostly post office people. The murderer was never caught. If we get a plague... a real one not isolated if scary cases, at what point should I call in "not stupid"? My job isn't that vital. I do find myself first on scene at auto accidents. ( and one house fire. So far. ) if the guy stuck in the wrecked car has a blood transmission disease I have to be very careful. Let me rephrase that. I have to be very careful because there are body fluid transmission diseases. You're not getting CPR if the sparking power line is still there. You're not getting CPR if the car is on fire. You're not getting CPR if you're leaking blood and I don't know why. No one is getting CPR if the EMT's are dead. Ethics isn't totally situational. Neither is it a problem in a vacuum. | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
It's your turn, New York. Well, maybe http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/doctor-treated -ebola-patients-rushed-bellevue-fever-article-1.19 84941 | ||
| Macbuell |
Pretty stupid of that doctor, IMO, to not isolate himself. | ||
| Brumbear |
bowling in Williamsburg that is gonna be a nightmare to try and track down folks MAN we can't be this stupid or we are doomed  | ||
| Hootowl |
He did quarantine himself when he started to feel ill. Good on him. | ||
| Sifo |
Much as I'd like to this isn't an Obamacare issue. The ethics are not cut and dried. It's not that I disagree what what you say, but I think it does set a precedence for the future. Yes, death panels if you will. With the proper training and enough disposable protective clothing, Ebola can be treated, keeping healthcare workers safe. That training and gear is not cheap though. Setting a policy for not treating is very different than not having personnel willing to treat. It's not a clear cut line though. | ||
| Blake |
Actually, since the family and spouse of Eric Duncan avoided infection, and he was SERIOUSLY showing SERIOUSLY infectious symptoms for days in the same apartment with them, Ebola just isn't that easy to catch. It pretty much takes contact with bodily fluids spewage, which is why the health care professionals get it. | ||
| Sifo |
Health care workers, in theory at least, have a number of advantages despite the risk of exposure to the bodily fluids. In the Ebola area, they KNOW the high risk up front. They can be provided suits that can keep them safe. They can be trained to use those suits effectively. They can be supervised in what they do to ensure that they don't get lax in the procedures that keep them safe. Most of that is labor intensive, with well paid personnel. That means that being safe costs $$$. When that $$$ isn't being spent, then I certainly agree with what Aesquire said about professionals choosing to call in not stupid. A part of all of that is the budgetary decisions that come from the top. Or they can decide to keep personnel safe more cost effectively by withholding treatment. That's why I said welcome to the new US health care system. At least I've seen trained physicians being interviewed claiming this can all be done safely. Are they wrong? I'm not sure it's fare to compare to the make shift set ups that may be done in Africa. | ||
| Brumbear |
We will see meanwhile a ••••••• 21 day quarantine for everyone coming and going from there (west africa and any connecting area)and sanctioned flights only and we would not be in this mess. Because people much smarter than me are in charge  | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
Latest conspiracy theory http://www.infowars.com/medical-professional-healt h-authorities-covering-up-ebola-cases-in-u-s/ | ||
| Aesquire |
I can neither confirm nor deny..... | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.jerrypournelle.com/chaosmanor/summing-u p-the-ebola-situation-safe-for-now/ | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
Might be an interesting winter http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-280 9803/Ebola-surfaces-TWO-months-Tests-reveal-certai n-strains-survive-weeks-stored-low-temperatures.ht ml | ||
| Reindog |
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| Hootowl |
I agree. http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/27/opinion/cevallos-ebo la-quarantine/index.html?hpt=hp_t3 | ||
| Ratbuell |
Lock 'em up for 21 days, without exception. Don't get me wrong - I admire someone who will go knowingly into harms way. Police, fire, EMT, military - all have my respect. Medical personnel who go into a hot zone, same deal - much respect. Return the respect. If you want to go into a hot zone to stop a deadly outbreak, don't you DARE piss and moan when you are told "you're not allowed to openly interact with a healthy public at large until we determine you are, also, HEALTHY. You may endanger yourself during your quest to end the epidemic. Don't you DARE endanger me or my family. 21 days, minimum, mandatory. You wanna sign up? Great. Be aware you're gonna be locked down for 3 weeks when you get back. Or...are you DUMB enough to think this highly communicable, extremely deadly disease...WON'T spread in your hometown? STFU, get a book, and relax for 3 weeks. Or...just DON'T COME HOME. You want to save folks from the epidemic? Become a lifer. Wanna come home? Plan on a 21 day hospital stay. Seems fairly simple to me...maybe I'm missing something? | ||
| Alchemy |
I am not against the quarantine concept if there are facts to back it up. There is still a little understanding needed to understand this virus. There are serious problems with quarantines if you think down the road a bit. It works pretty well if there is little to nil disease but when the disease get a little traction then it does not work so well. Our healthcare workers and EMTs could get in short supply if they are quarantined every time they are treating or transporting a patient. Recently there were serious suggestions from politicians that flights from certain areas in Africa should be stopped. No one seemed to want to stop flights from Dallas however even though there were clearly a lot of people on watch lists and the spread of the disease was unknown for a few days. If you stop flights from Dallas why not stop all flights from Texas. The logic soon gets out of hand. In the case of Hickok, they held her but left everyone else off the plane after they had been in close contact with a person they thought had a fever and possibly Ebola. Did they take the plane offline and scrub it. Did they quarantine the cleaning crew that cleaned the plane It can get a bit wound up if we don't follow the science and the facts. The key target right now is in Africa and getting things stabilized there. If we screw up and let it get out of control by screwing with the response of our healthcare workers then we don't help ourselves it seems to me. If it gets into animals then that could get interesting but I think that is not likely. It has probably been a good thing that our nation is wrestling with these questions and issues. We are clearly not as prepared as some had thought | ||
| Alfau |
What about that Obama is trying to establish better healthcare and boofheads keep shouting him down ? You know one where everybody has access to a doctor, not just a privileged few. Change of attitude could be a big step in the right direction toward having safer country in an epidemic like that. (Message edited by alfau on October 28, 2014) | ||
| Xdigitalx |
Isn't that a classic Nancy Pelosi response? I agree with Rat. | ||
| Pwnzor |
After 3 rate hikes and corresponding loss of coverage levels in one year, I have a hard time listening to your crap about anybody trying to "establish a better healthcare system". | ||
| Alfau |
Isn't America where hospitals have been known to turn you away onto the street to die if you haven't got healthcare. | ||
| Xdigitalx |
I never heard of anyone getting denied healthcare in any ER in my parts. Don't know if the tales u hear are true. | ||
| Alfau |
They must treat you if it is an emergency. If you require admittance they might say they have no available beds and transfer you to a state run facility. What if you had an elevated temperature! Is that enough for admission? The potential for Ebola to run away under that system is very real. | ||
| Xdigitalx |
They must treat everyone who walks into the emergency room. If you have a little cut... they give you a band aid,.. if you bleeding to death ...they take you in. You can walk in with a headache and they will see you, they may just give you an aspirin ... or if you show more intense symptoms of something else... they may give you an MRI... (I know first hand) so WTF u talking about? | ||
| Xdigitalx |
And this was so way before Obama_Don't_Efing_Care.... |
