| Author | Message | ||
     Reepicheep |
Sounds like Canada is the latest victim of an Islamo-Facist terrorist attack. Prayers and support for all our Canadian Buellers! Canada has been a great friend and a great ally. | ||
| Strokizator |
When these things happen in the US, some say we brought it upon ourselves. Who the hell has a gripe with Canada? It's still early and facts are few but I want to see where this story goes. | ||
| Aesquire |
Last report I heard was it was a suspected "militant". Shot a member of the Canadian armed forces, and there was a car assault on same earlier. The P.M. is safe, and the police have asked folk in Ottawa to stay home and keep the doors and windows closed. | ||
| Court |
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| Ferris_von_bueller |
but hey, we must have diversity at all costs even if it means a few people must die. Even the most novice cook knows not all ingredients mix well together. | ||
| Fast1075 |
Don't you know it is Muslim or Infidel. No in between, no borders, no nationality, no reason, no right. In their eyes you are an Infidel, and you are a target that hasn't been gotten to yet. If they come, you will either defeat them, die trying, or end up a slave. I would rather die fighting than exist on my knees. Come git some. | ||
| Macbuell |
Big Surprise ... it's another radical muslim. | ||
| Zane |
Thoughts and prays for all Canadians, everywhere. | ||
| Hootowl |
<sarcasm> I thought conservatives were the home grown terror threat. What the heck happened? </sarcasm> | ||
| Ratbuell |
Thoughts and prayers, eh. Seriously - it is a tragedy. Canucks are depressingly polite and amiable. It's a real eye-opener if folks are going after THEM now. I wish them all the best. | ||
| Spiderman |
came here expecting conservative fear mongering and was not disappointed! If all Muslims = extremist then all christians = westboro... | ||
| Court |
I feel particularly bad for the deceased soldier who was "armed" with a "ceremonial" weapon. | ||
| Reepicheep |
Spidy, I understand your concern, but so far I think we are doing OK on this one so far (though there is plenty of time for it to go pear shaped). The two characterizations above were "Islamo-Fascist" and "militant Muslim". Both of which seem reasonable characterizations of the attack?
I 100% agree. And I will go a step further and say "Christian fascists" is a perfectly valid term for describing the social conservative democratic left German Nazi party during WWII, as well as the Spanish inquisitions. Plenty of "Social Conservative Intolerants" as well around today as well, and calling them "Christian Bigots" or "Christian Intolerants" would probably be fair, but they don't generally result to force or violence, so that makes them a horse of a different color. I don't know enough about history to have an opinion on if the Italian fascists were couched in Christian terms or not. But I'd be interested in the opinions of somebody with a better grasp on history than I have. | ||
| Torquehd |
Spider.... You came to a thread intended to support the victims and survivors of a horrible murder, and divert attention to how bad conservatives are. You would make a fine Democratic candidate. The difference is, violence in Islam is required by the book which sets the rules for Islam, for as long as any one in the world refuses to accept it. The last time the Bible demanded violence was thousands of years ago, and then only for specific, isolated instances. Westboro corrupts the Word, the Islamic state fulfills their scripture. Feel free to choose which side you'd like to be on. You have that choice. For now. | ||
| Hootowl |
"If all Muslims = extremist then all Christians = westboro.." There's no such thing as a Muslim extremist. There are only Muslims who follow their holy book and its commands of violence and slavery, and muslims who do not follow the commands in their holy book. Just like there are Christians who follow the teachings of Jesus, and those who do not. And be careful throwing around terms like 'conservative'. It means something different in each country. | ||
| Fast1075 |
Do not mistake awareness for fear. Go ahead and buy into the "terrorism" thing, hide, wring your hands. You are the puppet whose strings are being pulled exactly as they want it. Children get "terrorized". MEN stand as well as they can. Knee pads may help the subjugated until their usefulness is done. | ||
| Aesquire |
ISIS has the suspects pics up on Twitter. Seem to be taking credit. | ||
| Reepicheep |
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/10/23/ottawa-gun man-displayed-possible-mental-illness-knew-homegro wn-jihadist/ Sounds like he most likely mentally ill. So while it's valid to criticize islamo-fascists for calling for and celebrating exactly sort of thing, they may not have been meaningfully involved. Looks like he may have been using a lever action also, which would be pretty effective until you use up the 6 rounds it holds. The politicians are celebrating that they were saved by their sergeant at arms. Good for them, and they should, now I hope they start working on a plan for Canadians that aren't staffed with dedicated armed security. | ||
| Reindog |
Call it what you will but this is what it is.  | ||
| Aesquire |
1939 German Conservative? Not sure how that fits with national socialist workers party. If I understand current German politics the Christian Conservative are a persecuted minority.... I could be wrong Nothing to do with ISIS afaik. | ||
| Sifo |
I wonder, when Spidey first heard the news, way back in the far reaches of his mind, did some group come forward as a likely perpetrator of this attack? If so, was it the Westburo Baptist Church? If the guy who shot the shooter had not been there, would this guy have been able to walk right into Parliament? Some of the news almost makes it sound that way. That would be hard to believe, even in Canada. Surely they have some real security in place with guns that actually work, don't they? | ||
| Oldog |
Prayers for the families of the dead and wounded, Props to the Master at arms of the Canadian for taking the shooter out! Our Northern Neighbors are capable and smart they were watching the perp It will be interesting to see how they adjust The Canadians have said that they will never give in, They are standing tall!   | ||
| Pnw_uly |
My sympathy to the soldier's family. "I feel particularly bad for the deceased soldier who was "armed" with a "ceremonial" weapon." Indeed. I would certainly hope our service members at the Tomb of the Unknowns and other ceremonial posts are authorized and resourced to defend themselves... | ||
| Sifo |
I understand that there were actually TWO soldiers at the tomb. He only shot one of them. It's a pity that the soldier had no actual weapon to use in response. | ||
| Hootowl |
It is common for ceremonial weapons to be used for ceremonial posts. I carried a non functioning M1 rifle in boot camp. Sailors aren't expected to ever have to shoot a rifle (unless you go to BUDS) so we didn't need ones that worked. It was simply something heavy they could make us run around with. You'll rarely see a soldier armed with a real weapon and live ammo within the united states, except for training. I would imagine it's the same situation in Canada. Shooting bad guys is a police matter. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
Man, this kind of thing doesn't happen in Canada. It's a big deal, especially to our northern neighbor. | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
Not all Germans were Nazis but we were at war with all of Germany. | ||
| Hootowl |
I wonder...did this guy have a license to possess a gun, and was it properly registered, as required by law? The shooting probably took place in a gun free zone too...or is that silliness restricted to the US? | ||
| 99savage |
Guess Sergeant at Arms is more than a ceremonial title Score one for the old guys  | ||
| Torquehd |
You'll rarely see a soldier armed with a real weapon and live ammo within the united states, except for training. I would imagine it's the same situation in Canada. Shooting bad guys is a police matter. Exactly. And that is a pretty good way of doing business (avoiding martial law, or the perception thereof). The problem, then, is that uniformed service members are unable to defend themselves. A few examples should come to mind. There are many cases where service members in uniform, given the right to legally carry concealed sidearms, would be a valuable asset in saving the lives of many. I'm glad that they did have armed guards at the Canadian Parliament. This could have gone a lot differently. I believe this case also strongly supports the fact that outlawing firearms does not delete them from existence. Hopefully, this tragedy will renew Canada's and the US interest in security. Security here in north America has largley become a finger drilled exercise, counting on Americans to do the right thing for the sake of staying out of jail. The threat of enemies has changed, and many who would see us dead will not let us take them to jail - they would rather die first. And the more quickly we're able to make that happen for them, the fewer innocent people will die. |
