| Author | Message | ||
     Aesquire |
Sifo, until your internal organs start turning to liquid, the symptoms are the same as flu. There will be several million people in the US with "Ebola symptoms" in the next few months. We simply cannot treat them all as Ebola patients, can not. The medical system would collapse and thousands would die. Not people with Ebola, people with all the other diseases that can't get any treatment because we had filled the hospitals with flue cases. Get your flu shot. Don't lick strangers. Have some potable water and food at home. Oh, and don't Kiss Barack Obama, he may be contaminated. (Message edited by aesquire on October 18, 2014) | ||
| Sifo |
Don't lick strangers. For some reason, people keep telling me this. I do wonder what they meant by "Ebola symptoms". I would hope that for this to become a news story, it was more than typical cold/flu symptoms. Then again, I don't have that much confidence in reporters these days. They were lacking in details of the symptoms. They were also lacking details on what was done to allow the patient to be released. What warnings were given? What testing was in progress? What is being done to monitor them outside of the hospital? I'm not sure how much of this story is about poor reporting and how much is about poor health care decisions. If this were just about any city other than Dallas right now, I wouldn't question this for a second. Given that this hospital is Ebola central for the US right now, it does raise certain questions. | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
I went into a Royal Farms today and coughed. You should have seen the looks I got....priceless....lmao....the herd is definitely spooked | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/390500/travel -ban-jonah-goldberg That said I’ve had private conversations with experts who think a travel ban is unnecessary and could be counterproductive. The best argument they offer is that a travel ban could be destabilizing to the governments in West Africa. Some people say “So what?” And I agree with them if the argument is based on some vague sense that we need to hold our public health policies hostage to the continuity of the Liberian regime. But it’s also possible that our public health is better protected if those governments do not unravel. I agree that we should do everything we can to contain Ebola where it currently exists (If Ebola breaks out in Nigeria, we should all be very afraid.). And if a travel ban does that, I’m for a travel ban. best argument yet for not having a travel ban. | ||
| Aesquire |
Best Ebola joke so far. From Jonah Goldberg. FWIW: If you shout, “I have Ebola, you are all screwed!” on a plane it should be heard as “Please taze me bros.” I'm first in line to complain about the TSA, but I've known since the Carter Administration you don't yell a greeting to your buddy Jack at the airport. I'll also joke about the most inappropriate things, like Rocket's sexual preferences, but you just don't get laughs with Ebola unless you are very clever. | ||
| Blake |
Is there any reporting anywhere on the people who were living in Dallas with Thomas Duncan? Last report I saw said that they'd been moved into house and kept under quarantine. That was at least a week ago or more. | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
Blake, I was wondering the same thing. Duncan was admitted on Sept. 30th. Assuming his "family" was quarantined the following day they should be released from quarantine within the next few days. | ||
| Macbuell |
http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/20/health/ebola-outbrea k-roundup/index.html?hpt=hp_t1 According to CNN, they are about to be out of monitoring period. | ||
| Blake |
And they're reportedly symptom-free! I'm surprised, but relieved and thankful. Once confirmed for certain, that ought to be shouted from the rooftops for all to hear. | ||
| Blake |
Among those in the clear is Duncan's fiancée, Louise Troh. Monday marks the 21st day since her last contact with her Duncan, who was the first person to die of the disease in the United States. | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
That is great news. I'm happy for his family..... and the rest of us. | ||
| Sifo |
That is great news about the people who were being watched for contact from the first patient. Now we have to worry about the people who had contact with the two nurses. And then, I believe the one of the nurse's boyfriend was said to be showing symptoms. Still holding my breath to hear if this outbreak has been checked, or if will spread further. | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
I did a West Africa Training Cruise back in 1990. As you can see, the people there don't have much if anything. No electric or running water. Its no wonder disease spreads like wildfire there. (I'm in the turret)  | ||
| Strokizator |
Let me get this straight, a NURSE who had been in contact with an ebola patient and is showing signs of the disease herself, blames the govt for "letting" her board an aircraft. At what point does common sense and personal responsibility kick in? Seems there's incompetency enough to go around on this one.  | ||
| Ratbuell |
Like I posted before - we should treat it like this: If you're a caregiver, you become FULLY QUARANTINED YOURSELF, until 21 days after the patient is released/cured...or 21 days after the patient dies. No exceptions. That nurse is a moron. | ||
| Reepicheep |
And anyone who has had it and recovered, becomes a primary care agent for others, as they already have immunity. Kind of like a national draft. It's optional of course, if you have it and need care, but don't want to volunteer if you recover, we will hermetically seal you in a building alone with plenty of air, food, and water then come back in 30 days and see if you survived or not. (Just kidding. Kinda.) (Message edited by reepicheep on October 20, 2014) (Message edited by reepicheep on October 20, 2014) | ||
| Blake |
>>> Now we have to worry about the people who had contact with the two nurses. I don't think so. No spewing happening with them. If Duncan's fiancé didn't get infected after spending two days with him at 103°F+, it's not likely either of the nurses would have been able to transmit. The health care workers are exposed to the late stage vomit and blood; there lies the risk. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
"But he was a man of color with no health insurance and no means to pay for treatment, so within hours he was released with some antibiotics and Tylenol." And as suspected, here is where the truth really lies...I thought this Obamacare @!@# was supposed to fix everything? Guess this one slipped thru the cracks. | ||
| Chauly |
Does Ebola vector through mosquitoes? | ||
| Aesquire |
"But he was......." An emotional partial truth....aka a lie for some agenda. It's coming into flu season. The ER's across the country have sick people coming in who really should just stay home and drink plenty of fluids and ride it out. Every one of those are expecting drugs and stroking. The antibiotic idiocy is a combination of placebo and consumer demand. Poorly informed demand. You are far better off not taking antibiotic drugs unless you have to since you don't want to breed super bugs. Yes I do think the hospital dropped the ball on that one. But 99.9999% of the time it is the right call. How often have you dealt with exotic disease? I know people who got tropical death bugs but never had to deal with it in normal life.....and my version of normal involves doing first aid work with international customers once or twice a year. I sure wouldn't bet Ebola unless the patient had bloodshot eyes and complained of bloody stool.....late stage symptoms ...... then I'd be running to get out of the way of the ambulance crew.....towards serious decontamination. ... within my means.... lots of alcohol cleaner and a shower. Damn near everything exotic and deadly starts with "flu like symptoms" ..... it's usually not Ebola. | ||
| Reepicheep |
Unlikely, I know that Malaria (which does vector through mosquitoes) requires the mosquito as part of it's lifecycle. That makes it possible to "reinfect" through bites. I think it's rare for a mosquito to feed, and feed again, within the window during which the virus can live in the bug and spread by a bite. So if it does spread by mosquito, it would probably be by accidentally eating a mosquito that just fed. But I am just guessing... | ||
| Fresnobuell |
...."and I was in Liberia 5 days ago." Even a moderately intelligent person would/should be able to put 2 and 2 together. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
It's quite obvious the difference in treatments between the two doctors that arrived home with Ebola and Duncan...the Docs got blood transfusions and the experimental drug treatment. Duncan got sent HOME with apparently antibiotics and Tylenol. Surprise, the Docs survived and Duncan died. I am not normally a bleeding heart type, but IMO race and ability to pay almost certainly figured into the different way these cases were handled. | ||
| Sifo |
"But he was a man of color with no health insurance and no means to pay for treatment, so within hours he was released with some antibiotics and Tylenol." Where did this quote come from? His ability to pay may have influenced his treatment. I really don't know though. I have serious doubts that race played into it though. I would say that having just been in Ebola central should have made them think twice about just releasing him. That should be the case regardless of ability to pay, simply as a means of protecting the general public. Those damned racist doctors have been risking their lives going into a foreign land treating people with brown skin with the latest experimental drugs. Yep, it's all about racism. EDIT: BTW, wasn't the second nurse a person of color? (Message edited by SIFO on October 21, 2014) | ||
| Aesquire |
I personally doubt race had anything to do with it but insurance most probably did. As to the treatment after admission. ..... that's a pure crapshoot. I haven't studied up on what drugs were used but... and this is going to sound heartless.... I think they are restricting the unapproved anti-virals to medical personnel. Not enough made and not proven gives any administrator heartburn. Afraid of getting sued and ( the heartless part ) a nurse is more important to keep alive in a plague. I could be wrong. How much plasma is there from recovered patients? | ||
| Hootowl |
It's a no win scenario. If you use experimental drugs on people, you get accused of experimenting on people. If you don't, you're a heartless bastard. | ||
| Sifo |
Even worse would be doing your medical experiments on poor people of color. | ||
| Aesquire |
Since poor people "of colour" are the victims, THEY get to play lab subjects. Looks like they are playing it smart. http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/10/21/us-healt h-ebola-msf-idUSKCN0IA24N20141021 Even the FDA. Looks like I have to take back a few mean things I've said about them. http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/219856-fda-ap proves-use-of-experimental-ebola-drug A few FAQ's on the drugs in question. http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/outbreaks/2014-west-a frica/qa-experimental-treatments.html I may think the political appointee that gives the talks is a tool, but the CDC has good, smart people. It's a no win scenario. If you use experimental drugs on people, you get accused of experimenting on people. If you don't, you're a heartless bastard. So true. Call me Dr. Evil. I could care less. If I had this, I'd be asking for the most scary stuff. And don't forget, these drugs could kill you in a few months or years, or mess you up real bad. "Not tested safe or effective", means just that. | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/3925a80e-1e32-11e4-bb68- 00144feabdc0.html There are ethical considerations using completely untested drugs on humans. Would you volunteer? The good news is they are trying a shotgun approach and aren't doing placebo studies. This makes the science harder to quantify, but "hey they lived" is good enough. And it's true that if Swiss Bankers got Ebola there'd be more funding. It'd still be a stone bitch to work on. | ||
| Hootowl |
Given ebola's 70% mortality rate, I would take anything they gave me. |
