| Author | Message | ||
     Blake |
Ken, "Reliving" the Middle Ages? Something you want to share with us? "There can be only one"?  | ||
| Blake |
I'm a recent newcomer to RZIM. What a wonderful speaker. | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
When you are bored you ought to watch Through the Wormhole on the Science Channel. The more I'm exposed to science the more I actually believe in a God. | ||
| Kenm123t |
I found Ravi about a year ago He is on local station @ 5 am That statement was in a program about a week ago. I couldn't make to his talk today. I enjoy the depth of his insight and his way of presenting his lessons Have you heard of John Maxwell he speaks at my dads church every 2 months or so. Hmm being Lutheran myself you could have a point on the reliving the Reformation lol | ||
| Blake |
My experience with scientific discovery is similar to yours Von Bueller. Ken, No, I'm not familiar with Maxwell. Martin Luther, great Catholic.  | ||
| Kenm123t |
Hey Now address a Lcms Lutheran properly lol they tell us we are the frozen chosen lol If you can find it Two LCA ladies wrote a book Growing up Lutheran its a hoot see if you can find it. It makes fun of every Lutheran that has ever been to church! after reading it you can match the folks in church to people in the book!  | ||
| Aesquire |
http://news.yahoo.com/scientists-detect-echoes-big -bang-151753508.html;_ylt=A0LEV1nwHCdT8nIAsdpXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTB0cTA1N3 VzBHNlYwNzYwRjb2xvA2JmMQR2dGlkA1ZJUDM4NF8x | ||
| Ourdee |
Interesting: How deep a rabbit hole do you want?  | ||
| Aesquire |
Interesting.... I don't agree with it all, but large parts are as accurate a description of reality as I have heard. I admit I've held on to the Luminiferous Aether theory as elegant and not quite disproven. I think Quantum physics has revived the idea in a sense. The "propagation medium" for light ( Aether ) seems to be the propagation medium for everything. QM has this concept but so far hasn't renamed it yet. ( Like naming a cookie. You don't call it "better than Oreos, but just like them" ) at 2:31:00 he hits the thread title square on. Here I agree completely. Our Consciousness does not create the universe by observation. The Universe exists moment by moment to be observed. We all influence the Now and shape the future Nows, by our observations and actions. No one raindrop believes it is responsible for the flood. ( unmotivational poster Despair.com ) | ||
| Ourdee |
"All matter originates and exists only by virtue of a force which brings the particle of an atom to vibration and holds this most minute solar system of the atom together. We must assume behind this force the existence of a conscious and intelligent mind. This mind is the matrix of all matter.", Max Planck, Father Of Quantum Physics I tend to "think" that we are hamstrung in our understanding of the spiritual, limited to 5 senses, looking through a glass dimly. Job 10:11 reads: "Thou hast clothed me with skin and flesh, and hast fenced me with bones and sinews." I believe we are spiritual beings having a human experience. I struggle to get a glimpse of what lies beyond the false lucidity that sleepy, trapped humans are deceived into calling reality. That that I can not see is what lays heavy upon me as reality. I don't feel it in the five senses, but as some open space that contains a reality as of yet invisible but just as real as the being I am that is trapped inside, in-between the particles that appear as me. I beg the question of who am I that He is mindful of me. What greatness has He locked up with bones and sinew and blindness? What metamorphosis could be on my path? | ||
| Pwnzor |
What greatness has He locked up with bones and sinew and blindness? What metamorphosis could be on my path? Like Job, you may be searching the human experience for answers to the Almighty riddle. I believe that to assume any of us could possibly comprehend our lot in the grand scheme is folly. Faith is our only real tool to see us through it. Your challenge is your own, and He would not have set it before you were it not your lot to endure and persevere it. Isaiah 41:10 Fear not. | ||
| Torquehd |
I tend to "think" that we are hamstrung in our understanding of the spiritual, limited to 5 senses, looking through a glass dimly. Job 10:11 reads: "Thou hast clothed me with skin and flesh, and hast fenced me with bones and sinews." I believe we are spiritual beings having a human experience. Paul, in the Corinthians 3:19, seems to agree with you. I once heard an allegory of this "experience" that made a lot of sense to me. Let's say your are a two dimensional being in a two dimensional world. All that you know is length and width, you have no perception of height. One day, a sphere begins to move through your world on an intersecting plane. Initially, you perceive this as a point. And then a circle, which grow and grows, before shrinking, and shrinking, back to a point, and then it is gone. The two dimensional man has an extremely limited perception of a three dimensional object. And a physical man has an extremely limited perception of the spiritual experience. Which leads me to think, of all the amazing and incredible things that I comprehend, how much more amazing is God, the engineer of things that I have no perception of? | ||
| Ourdee |
In a curved universe the closest distance between two points is not a straight line. | ||
| Midknyte |
http://io9.com/whats-the-purpose-of-the-universe-h eres-one-possible-a-1564636270 | ||
| Blake |
Note the results and implications of the opinion poll. Apparently scientists are really bad philosophers. D'uh! http://youtu.be/qB7d5V71vUE "I assure you that if you have faith the size of a mustard seed, you could say to this mountain, ‘Go from here to there,’ and it will go. There will be nothing that you can’t do." (Matthew 17:20 CEB) | ||
| Ourdee |
Odd thought here (I got it from someone else). Space, time, and matter has garnered a lot of thought, talk, and books in the last century. I look at the first verse in my bible and see that "In the beginning (time) God created the heaven (space) and the earth (matter)." | ||
| Pwnzor |
And yet, in all of Creation, only Man has a concept of time as we know it. Beasts live within the moment, having no thoughts of the future. The Earth has no cares. Man, in his avarice, always wants to know what is next, what's in it for him. Never his mind on where he is. Isaiah 53:6 We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to our own way; and the Lord has laid on him the iniquity of us all. | ||
| Blake |
The Genesis narrative is quite different from the alternative "the cosmos is all that is or ever was or ever will be", which is just to say "it all just is, don't ask why". | ||
| Midknyte |
http://io9.com/have-humans-already-conquered-the-t hreat-of-extinction-1629240669 | ||
| Aesquire |
The Drake Equation is faulty. I've talked about this before. When the French Navy ceased using Morse code on January 31, 1997, the final message transmitted was "Calling all. This is our last cry before our eternal silence. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morse_code simply.... One hundred years of Morse Code... ( yeah, amateurs still use it ) 60 odd years of analog TV. If you listen to the stars, you have to ASSUME they WERE using a technology you can decipher with today's technology how ever many years ago the message was broadcast. If the star you are listening to is 300 light years away you are listening to 300 year old radiation. As far as the alien outpost on Alpha Centauri B is concerned, the TV they were listening to since I Love Lucy caught their attention went off the air a while back. They may be very concerned we all died. So for us to "hear" life from outer space it has to be at not only just the right tech level, but the right distance. And this is highly speculative, but one of the periodic extinction cycles is theorized to be on a galactic orbital cycle. The event, natural quasar or alien death beam, seems to sweep the galaxy from a place towards the galactic core, orbiting the galaxy in a closer, quicker orbit, and hammers the ecosystem when we line up with it. If true, we could just be cruising in the wake of mass death and the other side of the Galaxy could be wall to wall Star Trek crowded.... and all those quadrillions of souls are doomed. so just because we haven't watched Martian Green Acres on tv doesn't mean there are not alien civilizations. One could be coming to visit us right now to write a ticket for spectrum pollution. | ||
| Aesquire |
Oh....btw the "we'll never make it out of the cradle because we'll kill ourselves" idea may have merit. Just watch the news. | ||
| Hootowl |
"we'll never make it out of the cradle because we'll kill ourselves" Nuclear weapons are easier to build than interstellar space ships. Which one do you think we'll use first? (I mean, besides the ones we've already used.) | ||
| Aesquire |
I was hoping we'd use the nuclear weapons to power the space ship. I was also hoping for religious tolerance and world peace. ............ which seems far less likely than Milla Jovovich calling me for a back rub. | ||
| Midknyte |
http://www.engadget.com/2014/09/08/higgs-boson-cou ld-end-us-all/?ncid=rss_truncated | ||
| Midknyte |
http://io9.com/why-does-the-universe-exist-1633719 404 | ||
| Blake |
That was a great example of nothing. "Thinking themselves wise they became fools." What is truth? How do you know it? | ||
| Kenm123t |
Discernment requires prayer and long bible study. | ||
| Torquehd |
This thread seems to have come to a point of, "why are we here, and what do we do, now that we're here? what is truth, and what is worth pursuing?" I was at that point a little over 6 years ago. I happened to read Ecclesiastes. I had read it before, but it never made sense in the way that it did then. Everything is futile, everything is worthless. A man may have a purpose, but can he ever understand it? Your purpose and your understanding may very well be tangent to eachother. It makes no difference. Take pleasure in doing good, productive things with your hands. Love your family. Honor God. Beyond that.... don't worry too much about "the big picture". I've heard, from a Christian perspective, there are only two things you'll think about on your deathbed: 1. The time you spent with your family and loved ones. 2. Sharing the message of salvation through Christ with others. There are a whole lot of rabbit holes that we can get lost in. Some are good, some are bad... Few of them matter. Truth is God. Truth is the reality of sin, and the need for a savior. Truth is confessing the Savior. Truth is love, as God is love. Beyond that... what else really matters? Understanding of reality is good... but in the end... it doesn't amount to much. The educated, and uneducated alike, can share the same fate. It's all a matter of the inclination of your heart. And that is a matter of decision. You can decide that there is a need for God and salvation. Or you can decide that there is no need for God and salvation. You have the freedom to choose. | ||
| Blake |
Well said! Too many of us get lost down our preferred rabbit holes and don't ever even think about what truly is important. I've been there, WAY down the rabbit hole, and I still struggle with worldly obsession. Best way I can describe it is "distraction". I now try to look at recreation much differently, less as a means for pleasure, fun, or thrills, but rather more as a means for enjoying the fellowship of others. One is fleeting, the other truly enriches life. Someone once said that "life ought be more about the journey than the destination." I guess that can be interpreted differently, but the way I see it is that it ain't about the worldly stuff or achieving some worldly goal, but rather other people. I'll always remember reading years ago on this very forum the rant of someone raging at the idea of a stranger sitting uninvited on his motorcycle. "I'd kick their ass" was the planned response. Gee whiz. Really? How to make enemies and spread ill-will and hatred. Imagine the opposite, approaching in good will and friendship. The effect can be astounding. If we can avoid fussing over mere stuff, we won't be compelled to prefer it over people. | ||
| Torquehd |
I still struggle with worldly obsession. Best way I can describe it is "distraction". This is right on topic with this thread. My friend, who happens to be agnostic and a quantum thinker, says he's inclined to believe that everything here on this earth, the sum of all matter in the universe, was put here to blind people from the truth. He used to think that he could hit a point of enlightenment, where everything around him would "melt" away into nothing, and all that's left would be reality. Transdimensional enlightenment. We all struggle with the pleasures of this world. They can be good, or bad. God put things here for us to use and obviously enjoy. But we, as four dimensional humans, tend to get wrapped up in them. I'll always remember reading years ago on this very forum the rant of someone raging at the idea of a stranger sitting uninvited on his motorcycle. "I'd kick their ass" was the planned response. That would be my first desire as well. While I probably wouldn't kick their ass, I would probably have some choice words. I've been out of church for so long. I had totally forgot about Hebrews 13:2, "Do not neglect to show hospitality to strangers, for by this some have entertained angels without knowing it." That hit me in the face when I read it last week. I haven't been living that way for years. If we can avoid fussing over mere stuff, we won't be compelled to prefer it over people. That seems so easy, but it is profoundly deep. And difficult. |
