| Author | Message | ||
     Blake |
Recent updates: http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/ 2014/10/01/texas-patient-with-ebola-told-hospital- workers-during-initial-visit-he-had-traveled-from- west-africa/ http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/10/02/us/after-ebol a-case-in-dallas-health-officials-seek-those-who-h ad-contact-with-patient.html Second patient in Dallas... http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/10/ 01/texas-ebola-patient/16525649/ "Vomiting all over the place outside the apartment"... http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/10/breaking-d allas-ebola-patient-vomited-wildly-outside-his-apa rtment/ Birds and other critters like to eat human vomit. So now we'll have the Ebola vector possibly embedded in Texas to stay? Impeach now. Derelict, incompetent, hope for the best, ignore the worst.. Can you imagine if this had happened under Bush's watch? The media would be apoplectic and in this case, rightly so. | ||
| Reepicheep |
Cross species vectors would be the exception, not the rule. So it's definitely a concern, but not necessarily a given. The people of the world may be about to learn a very hard lesson about being lead by good speakers with good intentions instead of being lead by experience people who are right. I pray to God it's an easy lesson. | ||
| Kenm123t |
Reep I fear it won't be an easy lesson when have people ever listened? | ||
| Hootowl |
Good intentions? | ||
| Oldog |
Well here is another one I don't think that this is going to end well. stupid hurts, and some times it hurts innocent people http://www.opposingviews.com/i/health/second-us-eb ola-case-under-investigation-dallas | ||
| Aesquire |
We don't know the native species for Ebola. | ||
| Reepicheep |
That's the thing about good intentions... what one person thinks is a good intention, another person may feel is offensive and repressive and criminally ignorant. | ||
| Blake |
What Patrick said. But pretty sure it goes from critter to human just like the flu. Thought I read that somewhere some time ago. It's interesting that the mortality rate has gone from 90% a year ago to 40%-50% in the most recent reports. Exaggeration or better care or both? Probably both. | ||
| Blake |
http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/02/health/ebola-us/inde x.html?c=&page=0
Fired and fired. Probably both on drugs. | ||
| Aesquire |
The 90% figure is from one village outbreak. We'll have much better statistics now that the numbers are higher..... and the figures come from western nations instead of....... (Message edited by aesquire on October 02, 2014) | ||
| Sifo |
I've been wondering about that 90% mortality rate too. A healthier population should fare better. I'm not so sure how much better our care will be for this though. I saw a headline last week saying the drug supply for treating this was exhausted already. I'm not sure it the FDA would have allowed those drugs in the US anyway. | ||
| Sifo |
I also wonder about using Ebola as a terror weapon. Send an infected carrier out in public to infect as many as possible, possibly at an airport or train station. I really don't know how easy it is to infect someone though. Will coughing and sneezing do it? | ||
| Xdigitalx |
YES. http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/transmission/qas.html | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
Ebola on dried on surfaces such as doorknobs and countertops can survive for several hours Ebola virus has been found in semen for up to 3 months. Hmmmmm | ||
| Xdigitalx |
The incubation period is 2-21 days. Hopefully no one else gets it, but we will know within 2 weeks. | ||
| Brumbear |
Ya know what nobody is talking about is the drain just 1 case has on resources simply put there is not enough to handle an epidemic. The iv fluids blood transfusions... nah the meds and constant care it takes to keep just 1 person alive forget thousands. If this gets out of control its gonna be bad. I would not jump to the healthier people theory either folks who grow up eating healthy and exercising a lot well they tend to be healthier than say the average overweight suit and tie you see everyday that is on 4 different meds to keep cholesterol and blood pressure in check. I can only say with the Sandy storm things got dicey after 2 weeks of no power medical lockdowns could be a SUPER STRAIN on our system thats all I am gonna say. | ||
| Ratbuell |
Very few things scare me. This...makes me extremely nervous. | ||
| Fireboltwillie |
all of this has me thinking about cityx....i am not a conspiracy type of person, but wars/conflicts abroad, a potential emergency on the home front... and elections just 1 month away...hmmmmm. | ||
| Aesquire |
One odd thing about this outbreak is the disease is milder than some previous ones. Not that you want to catch it..... but some Ebola Zaire outbreaks, well you quarantine the village and burn it down when everyone is dead. The probability of using infected as terrorist vectors is real. 6-21 day incubation period is doable but a bit tricky if you want to send your suckers through the unregistered voters border. If you were smart ( and here we kick into Tom Clancy mode...and total ruthlessness. So don't be offended at how callous I sound. ) you would move infected people to a country not suspected of having any cases. You would then expose ( not going to do detail ) your volunteers or better yet terrorist fools with no idea of the real plot. Then send them from one safe country to Canada and then with fresh ID to targets here. Set up real contact points in bus terminals to contact agents here and send them to malls for a shooting rampage & hostage standoff. Maximum exposure multiple objectives. The local police would be to busy dealing with the obvious threat to worry about Ebola. People think "Africa" not UAE or Italy for Ebola. There is recent history for using unknowing fools.. Bin Laden bragged that the 9/11 hijackers didn't know it was a suicide run. Except the pilots. There's a reason even the Russians haven't weaponized Ebola. And those madmen did weaponize smallpox. With the mutation rate no vaccine is useful. So you'd have to slam the vault doors on your bunker, send the activation code and wait until the rest of the planet was dead. Or you would be too. Not even the Soviets were that desperate. Some dude convinced he deserved to wear a blue turban? He might be. And the Soviets smallpox would do the same job..... but hey....it's not like they leave that laying around.....uh. yes. They did. I'm hoping the mullahs aren't that smart. | ||
| Oldog |
more info is coming out all the time http://www.foxnews.com/health/2014/10/03/ebola-pat ients-family-quarantined-as-officials-search-for-p ossible-exposures/?intcmp=latestnews interesting in that the family Duncan was visiting is resisting the quarantine and had to be enforced by force of law. so far not so good. Had an interesting conversation with my boss on this yesterday, I suggested a 30 day quarantine for any one in bound from Africa, his reaction was surprising as he was opposed to the idea. its chilling to consider that this can be used as a terror weapon. | ||
| Sifo |
I just saw an interview with a Dr. who supposedly knows his stuff on this. He claimed it was almost impossible to catch Ebola through casual contact. It requires direct contact with bodily fluids. He completely discounted the idea that it could be passed by coughing or sneezing. Very soon after that it came out that the guy who brought Ebola to TX appears to have gotten it by sharing a taxi with someone who was infected.  I get the feeling we are not being told the entire truth. | ||
| Blake |
Report I read said that he had helped her into the hospital. It was a lot more than just sitting in the same taxi cab. I don't understand the household quarantine. Those people should be moved into a medical facility, each one in their own isolated space, so that if they are infected, they don't pass the infection to other members of the family! How is this not common sense? | ||
| Blake |
It seems we're stuck in the planning for the best while ignoring the worst possible scenarios. It's maddening to me. Like watching an impending train wreck, but being entirely unable to intervene. | ||
| Blake |
Interesting. | ||
| Reepicheep |
I'd guess Blake, that they believe the disease will be detectable before it becomes transmittable. Which would be generally true if you start with soreness and fever before you start transmitting, which at least sounds plausible with this disease. So they need close oversight and prudent isolation, but they don't need them to be on full lockdown. | ||
| Ratbuell |
I'm just amazed that we have CONFIRMED interaction with a CONFIRMED carrier, yet those people who interacted are not as Blake says, in a medical facility. Are we that ••••••• stupid? Really?? | ||
| Sifo |
We are now in a police state. Lock them inside their house and enforce it with guns. | ||
| Oldog |
We are now in a police state. Lock them inside their house and enforce it with guns. ok they are infected, let them out and watch the death toll soar. until we can treat this and cure it. all we can do is try to prevent the ingress, Oh BTW cases are suspected in Hawaii and DC Yeah I thought about City as well... Meanwhile some where in Asia Brian shakes his head and says "I tried to tell them" | ||
| Aesquire |
that they believe the disease will be detectable before it becomes transmittable No, unless you take a blood sample, and look at the sample with an electron microscope. Not an optical one. Not even sure they have a quick test kit in other than experimental numbers... they sure don't have a stockpile. Doctor on Hannity is yelling that the CDC is sugarcoating this, to avoid panic, and/or they are incompetent. Have they even taken the contaminated bedding, clothes and mattress from the relatives apartment under quarantine? I really hate to say this but if it's the Government..... I don't know if you can believe them. Remember the 3 biggest lies in the English Language. The checks in the mail. I'll respect you in the morning. I'm from the government and I'm here to help you. I'm not telling you to stay home from work and lock the doors. You might want a couple of weeks worth of bottled water and food. I'd think twice about shaking hands with people from Africa or a cluster city. Don't panic, don't go prepper. ok, go a little bit prepper. | ||
| Slaughter |
You all should know of the work of Dr. Pardis Sabeti. She has a PhD in molecular biology and then obtained her MD. Before age 40, the Sabeti Lab at Harvard/Yale was named after her for her groundbreaking work in computational genetics. She's discovered MUCH about the genetic "codes" of diseases AND about people/animals resistant to those same diseases and is modeling many of those interrelationships. Now she's in Sierra Leone and Nigeria continuing field research - KNOWING the risks. The doctors and healthcare professionals are dying alongside those they are trying to save. Not only is she a double Doctor, she's a decent musician in her own right - bassist and composer. (Music links follow) From Dr. Pardis Sabeti Facebook:
"Neda" is her tribute to Neda Agha-Soltan, killed by Iranian loyalists during the marches following the elections. Dr. Sabeti is an amazing human being in many ways. Think of HER the next time you think of Iran... (Message edited by slaughter on October 04, 2014) |
