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     Rocket_in_uk |
I wonder how long any of us commenting on this thread would allow someone to rain rockets down upon your house in an attempt to kill you and your family before saying enough is enough? I'd move  I take it your sentiment applies to both sides in this conflict of course? Rockets are killers no matter who's firing them and in which direction. Rocket in England | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
Good. That's what you want in warfare. Ideally, Israel would kill all the terrorists without losing a single soldier or civilian. That's not realistic though, considering that the terrorists are targeting the civilian population. By terrorist you mean those fighting for their beliefs against a nation they see with good reason as an adversary.... If Hamas lays down its weapons, not one more Palestinian civilian would die. I'm sure Hamas would love you to prove this. If Israel lays down its weapons, its people would be killed. "Driven into the Sea". "Wiped off the map". The nature of all conquests but perhaps a touch medieval by 21st century standards. In other words, I believe there's a better solution somewhere with a lot less drama than your comment implies. There's the difference. Only a fool doesn't see this. Perhaps it is only a fool that does see it. Their religion commands them to kill the Jews. They will not stop until they are victorious or dead. Israel obviously chooses the latter. I believe the days of barbaric religious conquests are long dead. You clearly don't think so. Let's hope people like you don't exist within the peacemaking process. Inevitably there will be one. Rocket in England | ||
| Pwnzor |
I get it now. Rocket, you are weak. Weak minded, weak willed, and physically weak. You live in fear. You claim you would move if threatened, yet you threatened me with physical violence when you could not win an argument. I understand you completely now, and won't waste any further time engaging you. You and Fred and the rest of the weak minded are not part of my world and I don't mind saying it. You have my pity, and that is all you will ever have. | ||
| Hootowl |
"By terrorist you mean those fighting for their beliefs against a nation they see with good reason as an adversary" Terrorists are motivated by something. Everyone is. But terrorists target civilians. That's why they're terrorists. Do you not know what a terrorist is? "I'm sure Hamas would love you to prove this." Which side ALWAYS breaks the ceasefire? Which side has written in their founding documents that its purpose for being is to destroy the other side? "The nature of all conquests but perhaps a touch medieval by 21st century standards. In other words, I believe there's a better solution somewhere with a lot less drama than your comment implies." We're not dealing with a 21st century mentality. They live in the 8th century. They do not want peace. They want death. Listen to their words, and see their actions. "Perhaps it is only a fool that does see it." Childish retort. I'm rubber and you're glue, na na na na na na. "I believe the days of barbaric religious conquests are long dead. You clearly don't think so. Let's hope people like you don't exist within the peacemaking process. Inevitably there will be one." Do you live under a rock? ISIS is currently doing just that. As did the Taliban. Look at every hot spot in the world (except Ukraine, that's the Russians) and you'll see Muslims killing non Muslims and chopping off limbs and heads and breasts (so they can't feed their babies). No barbarous religious conquests, my ass. | ||
| Hootowl |
"I believe the days of barbaric religious conquests are long dead" That statement speaks volumes about where your head is. You only have to look around you to see that it is false. I think when you look around, all you see is duodenum. | ||
| Sifo |
That statement speaks volumes about where your head is. He has said many things that speak to where his head is. I almost dismiss him as faking that he believes this garbage. Then I have to remind myself that these people do actually walk the earth. Rocket is way out there. | ||
| Aesquire |
I stand by my previous statement, Rocket seems to only believe the people who's religious beliefs, widely published and known, is for lies as a tactic to conquer. The opposite of any sane person. Trying to insult me by calling me a Jew, puts him apparently in the same camp as the many, yes, as he says, millions of people who blindly believe the propaganda of the most evil people on Earth. By the way, I'm not Jewish, I'm Pagan. I get murdered second, after the Jews. Under Sharia law. Medieval? That IS Correct. We are in a war for the survival of "liberal western civilization". As these things go, The West has it's warts, and the Europeans, especially, have proven to be vicious, mass murdering, genocidal loons. The birth of the nihilist anti-God, socialist/Marxist movements led inexorably to the most murdered in History, with the Russian/Soviet Empire being #2 and the Maoist Chinese winning the "how many of out own people can we murder and lie about it" competition for most evil mother frackers on a planet. ( the Chinese, TODAY, still charge the family for the bullet used to execute a dissident. It's a not so subtle way of rubbing in the worthlessness of the individual, and the omnipotence of the Holy State. ) Oddly, the Germans, while the Holocaust gets all the press, were meticulous in record keeping, made sure they passed laws allowing each and every murder of a child, women or man. The only way we know that so many were murdered is they kept the records. The Russians ( Soviets ) and Chinese OTOH have never told the truth about how many of their own people they murder, or their population, or, come to think of it, anything. The Germans seem to be the only folk actually repentant about the process. Perhaps as a result of a generational guilt trip, but NO ONE in the Chinese leaderships has ever publicly regretted killing off the odd million people. Not surprising, since they are loyal acolytes in the Lie as tactic to conquer. But the Islamists/Jihadi/"radical Islam"..... aka anyone who actually follows the Koran, instead of just giving it lip service, have as a part of their faith that lies are blessed by God if they help you win. The Original Sura as written by Mohammed was actually a permission slip for a friend to lie about being a follower of Mohammed, ( so his buddy would not be executed for denying his faith, as Mohammed's own law required ) and was extended to all, in particular that it was ok to lie about your faith to get out of trouble, and especially a good thing if it let you infiltrate and destroy the enemy.... which is defined as EVERYBODY ELSE ON THE PLANET. Later mullahs stretched this blessing on lies to extend to all contacts with infidels, if it advanced the conquest. These are the people using children as human shields to protect the thieves that stole the aid sent to the poor people of Gaza and have never honored an agreement, based on their own faith. Nor will they ever honor a promise, as explained above. and I'm sick of having to say this, but this may not apply to any given Muslim. Most are peaceful people, although hundreds of millions SAY they support the Jihad. ( but may just answer the survey that way to keep from being murdered themselves ) It is, Always, evil men who exploit others and exploit religion that are to blame. bad news is there a lot of the lying sack of crap rapist medieval mother f*&^^$s. | ||
| Alfau |
only believe the people who's religious beliefs,.......... is for lies as a tactic to conquer. Teaching your enemies, "Tho shall not kill" could work like that couldn't it? Teach them to be meek, then while they are nice and passive, ream them. Steal their land, mineral wealth, heritage.. Any sane person could see that is how it worked in the past. The trouble is the victims are now fighting back. | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
I get it now. Rocket, you are weak. Weak minded, weak willed, and physically weak. You live in fear. It's an Internet forum for f**k sake. Not a knitting circle. If you want to debate, argue, disagree, grow a pair. But don't patronise me as if you've the upper hand simply because you can't convince me your point is worthy of my agreement. If you've something to say then carry on and say it. The moment you have something I consider valid to the point of the discussion I'll accept it in the good grace of debate or argument. But please don't patronise me as if you know better, calling me weak because you don't have the strength to convince me you're argument is just and worthy. If I were weak I wouldn't be here amongst you tough guys would I You claim you would move if threatened, yet you threatened me with physical violence when you could not win an argument. You were banging on about how great (read Yank's are tough America tough nation, Brit's weak, GREAT Britain weak) America was for winning 'us' WW2. I wish I had a dollar for everytime I've heard similar shit told me on BadWeB for 15 years. My threat was not of violence to you personally. Just to ram your nationalistic superiority complex up your arse to show you how tough us Brit's are WHO ALSO WON WW2 AT GREAT EXPENSE IN EVERY WAY POSSIBLE. As for moving, you've clearly not heard the Chubby Brown joke........ Chubby: (at bar drinking beer, bumped into) "Hey watch where you're going mate" Drinker: "Why what's up fatty. Spill your beer?" Chubby: "Where I come from that's fighting talk." Drinker: "Why aren't you fighting then fat c**t." Chubby: "Oh I've moved now." I understand you completely now, and won't waste any further time engaging you. No you don't, but do bail with my blessing if you must. You and Fred and the rest of the weak minded are not part of my world and I don't mind saying it. Is this not an admittance of how weak you are, unable to debate, throwing your toys out the pram and not playing anymore? You have my pity, and that is all you will ever have. Well what a pity if you let an Internet topic come between us when all this really is is angry banter between us. More pitiful when considering we are of different nations thousands of miles apart. What's wrong with you man? This is the political nasty crap we've got into. Doesn't mean it should come between motorbikes and friendship does it? Put it another way. No matter how rude or insulting I MIGHT have been to you or anyone here, I take it all on the chin when it's chucked back at me (which it very very often is in this topic) but I'd never take it so personal I'd want it to spoil a real life friendship or at least a like minded camaraderie through motorcycles should we ever meet. Rocket in England | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
Hoot, this is especially for your undivided attention. Read it slowly and digest it. WARNING: It might be lies, damn lies, and no f**king statistics. Or at least you'll believe so http://www.vox.com/2014/7/16/5904691/hamas-israel- gaza-11-things Rocket in England | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
Trying to insult me by calling me a Jew, puts him apparently in the same camp as the many, yes, as he says, millions of people who blindly believe the propaganda of the most evil people on Earth. Let me put it another way. You as a Play the 'Jew card' mate. I'm comfortable in knowing I'm neither racist nor daft enough to not see through this. Unlike some here simply because I might have said something not quite 'pc'. Rocket in England (Message edited by rocket_in_uk on August 23, 2014) | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
and I'm sick of having to say this, but this may not apply to any given Muslim. Most are peaceful people, although hundreds of millions SAY they support the Jihad. ( but may just answer the survey that way to keep from being murdered themselves ) It is, Always, evil men who exploit others and exploit religion that are to blame. bad news is there a lot of the lying sack of crap rapist medieval mother f*&^^$s. Some of my Muslim friends stealing my car.  To think many would never know from this pic the evil these men do....... Rocket in England | ||
| Hootowl |
What, pray tell, was I supposed to learn from those 11 things? Are they supposed to contradict anything that I have said? Did you read the article? | ||
| Aesquire |
Gee Rocket.... are those mullahs telling other people to hate? If not.... and I hope you don't hang with those hate preachers..... then where is the evil? I have Muslim friends too. Sunni, Shia, & Druze. Get along great with my Turkish customers too. I've had great discussions about their history. They know far more about recent stuff and learned from me a few things about the Roman days. Did you know that Emperor Justinian had the Haggia Sofia built? That he started as a low born peasant soldier and through sheer ability ruled Rome ( the Eastern Empire)? That his wife had been an Alexandria prostitute? She ran the entire silk industry for the western world as it was kept in the women's wing of the palace off limits to men.......and also sheltered religious refugees from her own husband's pogroms against monophystites..... which he did to curry favor with the Pope? Only much later did the term Byzantine come into use to describe how screwy Constantinople was. | ||
| Pwnzor |
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| Aesquire |
Let us be clear.... MOST Catholics were not in the Holy Inquisition. Most Germans were not Nazis, and Most Nazis had nothing to do with the Genocides. Most Russians were not in the secret police, and Most Russians were not in the Politburo. Most Americans were not in the Klu Klux Klan, and.... MOST Americans, Russians, Chinese, Arabs, etc. are THE VICTIMS of the Klan, Politburo, T¨Żngzh¨¬ zh¨§, Muslim Brotherhood, etc. But..... There have been American Leaders at the only 100 level Senate that were Klan. More than were ever admitted, and their influence on the rights of the people have been profound. They were and are evil F876s and deserve no sympathy or loyalty. There are, still, Russian leaders that are thieves, murderers, ( although mostly of the "denounce your rival to be killed by the State" type ) are evil F876s and deserve no sympathy or loyalty. China, still ruled by evil F876s who deserve no sympathy or loyalty. The Arabs? killed by the thousands by evil F876s who deserve no sympathy or loyalty. All of the guys that exploit hate and religion, and preach hate, deserve no sympathy or loyalty. Is that simple enough? The ( blank ) people are not bad. The Evil F876s ARE. Not all of the above evil Mother$%$^& have, as part of their religion/idealism/Way that Lies are the Path to Power. The Marxist derived cults, the Greenie cults & "radical Islam" however Do. The people of Gaza are exploited by Hamas and the PLA and the other Racist Supremacist groups, and murdered in far greater numbers BY Hamas than by Israel. Hamas is one of the Lie for Power groups, believing their propaganda is foolish, and gives one a false base to make conclusions and decisions. If you believe them, you will be wrong, and your choices will hurt others, because that is the goal of the Lie for Power people. Don't be Useful. | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/russian-humani tarian-convoy-enters-ukraine-despite-warnings/2014 /08/22/7b14fa8e-29e1-11e4-8593-da634b334390_story. html a lot of unconfirmed stuff in this one. use salt. http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/im-ready-b ehead-next-enemy-4097833 Ghaffar Hussain, managing director of the counter-extremism Quilliam Foundation, said it was almost inevitable that men who had fought in Syria would return to plan attacks in Europe. "It is disturbing that people born and raised in Britain and who have gone to the same schools as us could have been essentially indoctrinated to the extent where they can justify raping women and chopping heads off," he said. Four British Islamists - two of whom had been to al Qaeda training camps in Pakistan - killed 52 people in suicide bomb attacks on London in July 2005, and Britons have previously appeared in graphic Islamist videos. http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/08/ 23/Anti-Israel-Protests-Number-10-Aug-23 The professional protesters lead the fans of Hitler and his fine works in chants. I'm sure the same folk would happily show up to protest anyone who wants to stop AQ from beheading them. I have heard the Jews referred to as Canaries in the Coal mine. When people start trying to kill all the jews, civilization is in trouble. ( if you don't know that meme.... sigh. They used to keep canaries in cages in mines since they are less adaptable than humans to foul air, CO & CO2 buildup, and methane. When the bird falls off it's perch it's time to grab the cage and get the people out. ) | ||
| Aesquire |
http://pjmedia.com/claudiarosett/the-banality-of-m ass-public-executions-in-gaza/?singlepage=true http://pjmedia.com/claudiarosett/unrwas-schools-an d-gazas-rocket-science/?repeat=w3tc | ||
| Aesquire |
http://pjmedia.com/eddriscoll/2014/08/21/britains- anti-semitic-whiff-of-weimar/ There is a whiff of Weimar in the air in Britain. Barely a week now passes without some further denigration caused by anti-Semitic, sorry, pro-Palestine demonstrators targeting businesses run by Jews/stores selling products produced by the Jewish state. You know, like Sainsbury’s, Tesco, Marks and Spencer, Starbucks and so on. Most of this fairly random targeting of whatever business sounds a bit Jewish goes unnoticed. Sometimes protestors manage to get the business closed – as with the Ahava store in liberal, enlightened Brighton. Generally they just succeed in intimidating shoppers and making it easier for people to shop elsewhere in some non-Semitic store. Sometimes the protestors, like this young man in Manchester, are open about their feelings and taunt any nearby Jews by telling them, for instance, how highly they think of Hitler (‘I love Hitler. I’m big on my boy Hitler’ says this nicely integrated young man): Once again, it seems it's popular to hate the Jews. Since my preferred response to that kind of people involve the use of plows in a manner not intended by the manufacturer, I'll withhold comment. | ||
| Aesquire |
http://news.yahoo.com/iran-says-downed-israeli-dro ne-over-nuclear-132924809.html http://news.yahoo.com/iran-unveils-missiles-drones -130413046.html Iran has been "5 years from an atomic bomb" for 20+ years now. I could build one in 5 years with the raw materials and a small budget. I doubt I could write a budget to afford to pay Germans to build me gigantic underground facilities in major cities, like Iran has. | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/article14 50765.ece Buddy of yours Rocket? If it's not a religious thing, why are these people going to distant lands to murder people? A place that they want to make a hell on Earth, coming from a really nice country like England? I'd ask Facetiously and insultingly if it's England? But I learned from James Burke that "it's all the Dutch's fault" in exploitative history. ( he was a bit biased ) And apparently a lot of Dutch jerks are going to the middle east to join the loot rape and kill party too. So it can't be that the Brit PM is making this happen, it's multi-national. I'm left with my observation that evil men exploit religion for power and wealth. | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.jerrypournelle.com/chaosmanor/near-east -policy-air-power-and-asymmetric-war/ The question "What should we do about ISIS?" is not the same as the question "Do we want to go back to Iraq?" One is about facing up to an extreme and immediate challenge, which we have to do. The other is about returning to an old experience, which almost no one wants to do. The Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham is not just a grandiose army of freelancers and fanatics. They’re something different in kind from the al Qaeda of old—more vicious, more organized and professional. George Packer in the New Yorker estimates ISIS controls 35,000 square miles of land. "The self-proclaimed Caliphate stretches from the newly conquered towns along the Syrian-Turkish border," through northern Syria, across the Iraqi border, "down to the farming towns south of Baghdad." ISIS funds its operations not like primitives but sophisticates: They sell oil and electricity and empty banks in the areas they seize. (A CNN report put their haul from the oil fields alone at $2 million a day.) They also make money from kidnappings and what they call taxation. Mr. Packer quotes a former Pentagon official: "ISIS now controls a volume of resources and territory unmatched in the history of extremist organizations." We can’t ignore the Caliphate. It has declared war on us, and it has made its intent clear; and now is the best time to put paid to that. We have a stable ally in place, so we do not need any large expeditionary force. Our contribution is logistic and supply – and very high technology military action. It is the perfect place for this, as was our original intervention in Afghanistan before we were gulled into the notion of bringing about the end of history through the progressive wave of liberal democracy sweeping the earth. That was a delusion, and we were smacked down for having it. Eliminating the Caliphate is a matter of arming allies and killing enemies, and we have the capability to do both. We should get to it. | ||
| Aesquire |
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/EU_UKRAINE_ WEAPONS_CROSSROADS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=D EFAULT&CTIME=2014-08-25-15-47-16 http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/EU_UKRAINE? SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2014-0 8-25-15-11-59 It appears the Ukraine needs handbaskets. We know where it's going. http://news.yahoo.com/ukraine-forces-clash-armoure d-convoy-crossing-russia-border-092425973.html;_ylt=AwrBEiF1XPtTRmkA_I_QtDMD | ||
| Hootowl |
Those tanks and other weapons are part of the humanitarian aid that the benevolent Russians are rushing to the needy peoples of Ukraine. At least, that's what Rocket told me. | ||
| Aesquire |
Oh yes, many Russian shipments of agricultural tools and humanitarian aid have accidentally killed many people. Shame that people just won't read the manuals before they try and use a tractor equipped with a 125mm post hole digger. And the misuse of 7.62x39 harvesting tools... it's just horrible. RTFM! people! | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
What, pray tell, was I supposed to learn from those 11 things? Are they supposed to contradict anything that I have said? Did you read the article? If YOU bothered to read "those 11 things" without your biased hat on you would understand the point of them is to show Israel's actions as often contradictory. The point I believe the author was attempting to convey then Rocket in England | ||
| Aesquire |
Just for the record... I'm easily convinced that the EU "oligarchs" are bad guys in Ukraine. I fully expect the Obama regime to be liars and incompetent. I even could be convinced that Vladimir is going down in history as the Savior of Russia and is responding, in large part, to "western aggression"..... But I can't wrap my head around Russia and Vladimir being the Saintly victims in all things at all times, when I know that they are still arms suppliers to the bad guys, world wide, and have not changed that since Stalin was killing all his rivals. Also the language used in the RT news is classical propaganda, phrases and hooks meant to invoke the Great Patriotic War ( WW2 to you ) and the century long propaganda of class envy, hatred, and blaming everything on rich "oligarchs" ( usually Jews ) For a more local version note the use of the phrase "fatcat bankers" and "you didn't build that", Both quotes. Leading to this paraphrase "it was the Government that is responsible for any success you ( peasants ) have had in life" But be aware. It's easy to sell this propaganda because...... Russia has had a long history of being invaded by Europeans. Perhaps the finest example of Russian Cinema, "Alexander Nevsky" http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0029850/ is about German invaders. ( it's a 1938 movie, so keep that in mind if you watch it. It's pretty good for it's time ) England, France, Germany, you name a country in Europe, they've probably invaded Russia. Russia has long been mocked and insulted by Europe. They were, and are considered barbarians and rubes. It hurts, and it has not stopped. You may have noticed a bit of snobbery at the stupid uncultured Americans from some Europeans.... we get off light compared to Russians. And to be fair, the American anti-aristocrat attitude, and a couple of centuries of deliberately playing the prejudices of the Europeans hasn't helped. Ben Franklin ( one of my favorite nuts in history ) used to astonish the folk in Paris by his scope of knowledge and cultured ways.... when he wasn't using the primitive colonialist reputation to shock uptight folk at parties....and get laid. A Lot. So when Russian TV talks about justification for invading their neighbors to stop foreign aggression, they have a long history where that was true, and all of the countries they send troops into were part of the Soviet Empire at one time or another. They have spent years establishing Russian colonies in the heart of other countries as demographic warfare. If the majority in Latveria is Russian, the votes are predictable, right? Just like the current and ongoing program to settle as many One Party Voters from south of the Border in the US for many years. | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
Buddy of yours Rocket? Yes I sold him a BMW a few years ago. Nice fella if it's the John I'm thinking of. Then again, East London's full of nice Muslim Islamist fella's who'd fight for their country and their beliefs, no different from you if you had to fight for yours. So maybe it was another John who bought the BM. There's so many of them Rocket in England | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
Once again, it seems it's popular to hate the Jews. You mean 'Jewish' right Since my preferred response to that kind of people involve the use of plows in a manner not intended by the manufacturer, I'll withhold comment. What!! You'd cut their heads off, chop them to bits with a plough? Patrick!!!! Rocket in England | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
How about this then? http://chasvoice.blogspot.co.uk/2014/08/breaking-s nowden-bombshell-isis-leader.html Rocket in England |
