| Author | Message | ||
     Hootowl |
Meh. It's HuffPo. What did you expect? | ||
| Fredfast |
"Looking at outcomes is a great way to identify potential issues in opportunity. But equal opportunity should be the agenda, and outcomes will be "they are what they are", and only focusing on outcomes generally makes the situation even worse." What a load of crap. How can you know there is equal opportunity unless you look at the results. You people find every excuse to do nothing. Ferguson is what you get. (Message edited by fredfast on August 20, 2014) | ||
| Fb1 |
More evidence that the "media" is largely at fault... The media, with few exceptions, is saying what they're told to say. This doesn't exonerate them of their guilt, but they're being pulled by the same strings that are manipulating the folks presently occupying the White House. Thank goodness for the "guerilla" (social) media, or the truth might never be known. At some point they'll have to shut us down, but in the meantime it's a great way for them to monitor us, aided and abetted, I believe, by professional internet spies (aka trolls). I wonder how the spies are paid, and which alphabet soup agency signs the check? | ||
| Hootowl |
"What a load of crap. How can you know there is equal opportunity unless you look at the results." You can't always judge opportunity based on results. 10 men start a foot race. One comes in first, and another last. Shall we assume from the result that the guy in last place didn't start from the same place or at the same time as the guy who came in first, and that the first guy somehow had an advantage other than his own ambition and ability? Are minorities disadvantaged? I think the case can be made that they are, in a lot of ways. But their disadvantage is thrust upon them by the very people who claim to be their protectors and champions. Union controlled public school systems, welfare, "equal opportunity" programs that say to them "We know you're not good enough to succeed without our help", so here's a hand out. These are all Progressive" ideas and causes. Society teaches young black men that they're just not good enough. That's a shame. And a lie. | ||
| Fb1 |
Source, more: http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2014/08/20/con firmed-officer-darren-wilson-badly-beaten-before-m ike-brown-shooting-punched-in-face-broken-eye-sock et-he-was-beaten-very-severely/ http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/08/20/missouri-cop- was-badly-beaten-before-shooting-michael-brown-say s-source/ | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/385701/fergu son-not-iraq-charles-c-w-cooke | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
I am confused by Rocket's portrayal of the British police. He insists that the shooting of the Brown fellow would not have happened in England, and that may be true, but I can't figure out if it's because the Police there would not have confronted a man walking down the middle of the street at all, or would have killed him quickly, efficiently, and then lied about it, so there would have been no looting. What's confusing? No typical British police officer carries a gun in a lone patrol environment. Whether on foot or in vehicle. Thus it is all but impossible for a British police officer to shoot someone in the same way Brown was shot. To take the point further. Had police attended Brown's person, it's unlikely a police officer arriving at the scene alone would have acted alone. They would have waited for other police to arrive (or not approach until they had) BUT it is not expected in Britain that (a) Brown (or Smith) would have been armed - our gun laws being different and all that. Had it been suspected Brown (or Smith, or anyone else) were armed, then armed police would have attended. As they did incidentally in all the links rather stupidly posted here. The above is not a difficult concept to understand. It does not make British cops supercops. The police system here caters for officers to work as a team - or - police force! Rocket in England | ||
| Hootowl |
You're saying a British cop would have waited for backup prior to asking someone to get out of the street? Because right after that he got punched in the face hard enough to break bone. | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
Didn't an innocent soldier just walking down the street get beheaded with a machete in broad daylight on a city street in London. Too bad those UK Supercops were no where to be found. By definition you assume police should be ever present everywhere, which is a ridiculous assumption. That you choose the murder of Lee Rigby to make your dumb comment actually does show the British cops in this instance to be supercops. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Lee_Rigby Unarmed police arrived and set up a cordon before armed police arrived. The assailants, armed with a gun and cleaver, charged at the police, who fired shots that wounded them both. They were apprehended and taken to separate hospitals. Rocket in England (Message edited by rocket_in_uk on August 20, 2014) | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
You're saying a British cop would have waited for backup prior to asking someone to get out of the street? Because right after that he got punched in the face hard enough to break bone. As I understood it, the cop was still seated in his vehicle and assaulted through a downed window. This would NEVER happen in the UK. Police here would have been out of the car, and in the case of a big looking fella, a police officer would NEVER have approached someone, considered to be or looking like a threat, alone. Rocket in England | ||
| Hootowl |
"By definition you assume police should be ever present everywhere, which is a ridiculous assumption." It is a ridiculous assumption. Too bad that soldier wasn't allowed to carry a gun. I don’t know his history, but it's likely he spent some time in Afghanistan fighting Islamic murderers. Ironic that his own government stripped him of his weapon when he returned home and was subsequently killed by Islamic murderers. | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
Bad link.... Lee Rigby murder. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Lee_Rigby Rocket in England | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
It is a ridiculous assumption. Too bad that soldier wasn't allowed to carry a gun. Which appears to mean, you believe ALL British police should carry guns? The system works very well without them I believe. Had Lee Rigby carried a gun that day, I doubt it would have been much use to him, having had a car run him down before he was stabbed and hacked to death. Rocket in England | ||
| Hootowl |
Fair point. | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
Thank you. Rocket in England | ||
| Hootowl |
I have no problem recognizing that I'm wrong about something.  | ||
| Aesquire |
Thank you for the clarification. It's much safer working in pairs, but many police departments can't afford that. The link I posted above @ 5:50 pm talks about other riots in other places, including England. The problem of police abusing their powers is a real and present danger. It is up to the Citizens to make that hard, and to punish the guilty, working through the system. The problem of young men growing up in a bad neighborhood and having little respect for others unless enforced by jungle rules is also a major danger, and has political dimension. Culture of dependency and the mindset of those who think others, blacks, muslims, Peasants, etc. are not Human and not responsible for their actions.... is ongoing and perhaps the most dangerous to civilization. It's a kind of racism that goes past skin color, or ethnicity and is the basis for much evil, including the owning of slaves, throughout history. | ||
| Fredfast |
"10 men start a foot race. One comes in first, and another last. Shall we assume from the result that the guy in last place didn't start from the same place or at the same time as the guy who came in first, and that the first guy somehow had an advantage other than his own ambition and ability? " Yes, you can assume that. The Civil Rights Act wasn't enacted until July 2, 1964. | ||
| Hootowl |
Non sequitur. Typical. | ||
| Fredfast |
Typical | ||
| Xdigitalx |
Most serious eye injuries result in immediate pain and swelling. In the case of a blowout fracture, an individual is likely to experience double vision, especially when looking upward or downward. The cheeks may feel numb if swelling from the blowout fracture puts pressure on cranial nerves. Severe headaches, light sensitivity, nausea, and vomiting are also common. Thinking back to times where I, and at other times... friends of mine ...,when we were young and "indestructible" and many times had the opportunity to punch a cop in the face... like Michael Brown did...I just think WOW I am so glad we chose correctly (not to) because the more I think about it..., it could have happened like him many times... but thankfully cooler heads prevailed. I can't imagine ..in this day and age... ever attempting to any kind of damage like that to an officer of the law without being shot point blank. I am hoping his little buddy (Gilligan) will break and ultimately speak the truth... he will need to clear his conscience for everyone's sake and his own. (if he is lying) | ||
| Blake |
Depart Fred. You're not welcome here anymore. | ||
| Fredfast |
Thanks Blake. It's been my pleasure. | ||
| Court |
I have been . . . and continue to . . . withhold judgment until facts exist. It's too tempting, given the emotional volatility, to "spurt" based on a foolish attempt to align one's self with their political like minded contemporaries. What APPEARS to be emerging in is that the officer pretty much was involved in a routine stop (fact), knew nothing about the criminal's recent offense (but we know his propensity for violence from the video) and during that routine stop was viciously attacked by the criminal. It appears that the shooting was, based on physical evidence, justified self defense as a drugged up (we know that from 3 toxicological reports) criminal (we know that from the video and his parents' attorney's account during the "he's not a perfect kid" soliloquy) perp. We'll see what else emerges but it appears, at this point, that the cops actions were entirely reasonable. Interesting times we live in . . . . nearly everything gets recorded either on audio or video. More amazing in this case is that the cellphone video of a couple of folks who supported the criminal is in direct conflict with their words. The greatest threat to real justice is Eric Holder intervening. Generally that means a criminal coverup, from him and his convoluted version of a DOJ, will follow. | ||
| Court |
. . . . nearly everything gets recorded either on audio or video. This guy better get a good attorney. Hid law enforcement days look limited.  | ||
| Hootowl |
It's that "continuum of force" thing referenced in the previous article. Seems they teach cops to beat people until they stop resisting. Sorry, once you start beating me, I'm going to resist until I am no longer conscious. I think that's human nature. | ||
| Fb1 |
I stumbled into these quotes the other day:
Source, more: http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Booker_T._Washington Well said, sir. | ||
| Reindog |
"Black Racism is the glue that holds the Progressive movement together"--Bill Whittle. Watch the Bill Whittle video above and learn the facts backed with numbers, of the racial crimes that are committed in America. Stop being a victim and pick yourself up as well as your loved ones. There is UNPARALLELED equal opportunity in The United States. I went from truck loader to Principal Design Engineer by getting on my motorcycle to pick up a community college application form. No one recruited me. No one needed to do so. No one is stopping ANYONE from achieving what I achieved, but you have to do it yourself. The utter racism in practice by the Obama crime syndicate and Progressives/Liberals is disgusting. Progressives treat people of color as incompetent and inferior to garner power by encouraging victimhood. | ||
| Xdigitalx |
but you have to do it yourself. It is that simple. But I think that is what is NOT being taught today. (it needs to, it didn't before) So, where would an adolescent kid or young man/woman learn that?? Where is that taught? Where can a kid growing up in area with excessive peer pressure get taught? I mean, that is the real handout some of these people need. Like a nudge in the right direction? (Message edited by xdigitalx on August 21, 2014) | ||
| Fb1 |
Source, more: http://pjmedia.com/jchristianadams/2014/08/20/radi cal-doj-unit-ferguson/ Related reading: http://pjmedia.com/every-single-one-pj-medias-inve stigation-of-justice-department-hiring-practices/ http://www.scribd.com/doc/169276386/Danziger-New-T rial http://www.nationalreview.com/article/360227/grote sque-doj-misconduct-hans-von-spakovsky http://pjmedia.com/jchristianadams/2013/09/18/doj- lawyer-karla-dobinskis-misconduct-sends-police-off icers-to-prison/ http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-justice-departments-hu rricane-strength-misconduct/ http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2013/09/23/doj-launches- crackdown-on-leaks-after-new-orleans-police-debacl e/ |
