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     Fredfast |
"The Troll is slowly awakening to the fact that there are a lot of contributors here with trained, reasoned minds and who possess a wealth of life experiences to draw on" Mad Dog - The only saving grace is that the "trained, reasoned minds" you speak of are of such minority as to be more entertainment than threat. I don't come here for discussion because the cancer that pervades you all is terminal. If you weren't so entertaining you would be pitied. | ||
| Reepicheep |
Bigot. | ||
| Reducati |
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| Pwnzor |
I spent a year examining the behavior of law enforcement officials up close. Before that, I explored the intricacies of our criminal justice system for 8 months. Not all cops are cut from the same cloth, they are people of all stripes. Just like all of you, and me. This is what I think about cops. They chose their position in life. They wanted it, trained for it, earned it one way or another. Some chose it for this reason, some chose it for that reason. THAT reason is at the root of the topic in this thread. Did this cop become a cop for that reason? I would say honestly to all of you that I don't believe it about this cop. At some other time, in some other thread, ask me about the prison guard I ran into on a whale watching trip. | ||
| Fredfast |
True colors. (Reducati post) (Message edited by fredfast on August 18, 2014) | ||
| Reindog |
Thanks, Reepicheep. I am going to see if there is a copy of "Black Eidelweiss" at the library. The amazon writeup makes one want to devour it. | ||
| Aesquire |
Do I think they should be accountable like normal people for misdeeds? No. I think they should be *more* accountable. Because they get elevated privileges and are acting on the authority of society. No crime is a petty crime if its done by a cop as part of their police role and privileges.  Other comments about there being good and bad reasons to be a cop are also true. It's a volunteer job. It's also the place for the Sheepdogs of society. http://www.killology.com/sheep_dog.htm It's a repost, but it has a valuable lesson in this context. The sheep generally do not like the sheepdog. He looks a lot like the wolf. He has fangs and the capacity for violence. The difference, though, is that the sheepdog must not, cannot and will not ever harm the sheep. Any sheepdog who intentionally harms the lowliest little lamb will be punished and removed. The world cannot work any other way, at least not in a representative democracy or a republic such as ours. | ||
| Blake |
from http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/18/us/missouri-teen-sho oting/index.html | ||
| Blake |
CNN journalist Christine Byer https://mobile.twitter.com/ChristineDByers/statuse s/501556693382094848 | ||
| Ducbsa |
This has some good points: http://www.city-journal.org/2014/eon0818fs.html In the comments, the point of how fast an attacker can move addresses the 6 hits on the suspect's body. A 6'-4" 295# guy coming at you that had just tried to grab your gun would sure make you think you needed to ramp up your response to the threat. Was Brown really going to Harvard or did that journo just make it up? I haven't read that detail before. (Message edited by ducbsa on August 19, 2014) | ||
| Fredfast |
"...more than a dozen witnesses have corroborated cop's version of events in shooting." You left out "police sources tell me". I like the comments. "who identified herself as the officer's friend." A corroborated account indeed. | ||
| Blake |
You're a bigot. With Holder and the entire nation watching you imagine police will lie about a dozen witnesses corroborating te oficer's account. This after the account of the dead man's friend has been proved a complete lie, not only by medical examination, but by video of other witness casually describing what he saw. Bigots like you so yearn for the bad white racist cop narrative to be true that you end up deluding yourself no matter the evidence. You're not alone, NBC doctoring (lying about) the Zimmerman 911 recording, Al Sharpton lying for criminal fraudster Tawana Brawley, Obama "The police acted stupidly", Obama "If I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon," Dirty rotten racist bigots all. | ||
| Gaesati |
Maybe, in a society under the rule of law, it is appropriate to wait for a coroner's verdict and the result of a police investigation before forming any strong opinions. What is happening on this thread is probably not helpful to anyone. A more relevant discussion might centre upon why such riotous behaviour occurs after these incidents and what can be done to prevent it. | ||
| Reepicheep |
The difference between the UK and the US, and why Europe "works better" in this regard, is that under this circumstance, the government would be making sure the cop gets investigated (as they should be) and would simultaneously be investigating the Black Panther / Sharpton / Jessie crew for hate speech. They would be the adults in the room. Instead, we have Holder, who earlier refused to properly sentence in what was a clear instance of voter intimidation by the Black Panthers, now meeting with that same group to foster dissent instead of seeking justice. If somebody in a Klan outfit or a Neo Nazi was standing outside a polling place intimidating people, I would hope they would get their asses kicked before the cops got there, and then we prosecuted afterwards to the fullest most aggressive extent of the rule of law. I expect the same for a black panther. Bigotry is bigotry, and racism is racism. The team you are on doesn't matter. | ||
| Reepicheep |
Good article... http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2014/08/18/K urtz-Some-Liberal-Outlets-Creating-Almost-a-Lynch- Mob-Mentality-in-Ferguson The media outlets are happily inflaming these situations based on their own bigotry, and their desire for attention and revenue. I miss the days of responsible people and industries. | ||
| Fredfast |
If I am a bigot, my prejudism pales in comparison to those here on this site. Your intolerance for anything but orthodox conservative christianity and those who advocate womans choice, gay rights and gun control make you the very essence of bigotry. You have surrounded yourself with like minded individuals and as soon as one enters with an alternate opinion you and others resort to insults. But it's your ball and you have the right to take it home. | ||
| Xdigitalx |
That's weird cuz... probably ALL of the alternate opinions I see presented here are made with ingredients of bigotry, snide remarks, insults or at least insinuating one. Welcome to the modern world. COEXIST. | ||
| Blake |
Gaesati, We do have a coroner's report. It supports the officer's account. We also know that the suspect assaulted the officer and that just minutes earlier the suspect was assaulting a store clerk and robbing the store. We also now have multiple witness reports, one recorded candidly on video unbeknownst to the witness, who was in casual conversation with another person, that corroborate the officer's account. We also know that the officer has an unblemished six year record. Now we have Atty Gen Eric Holder, a proven liar, the 1st Atty. Gen. to ever to be held in contempt of congress, injecting himself into the situation with the very real possibility that he intends to help foment civil unrest. I cannot keep quiet any longer. I will say that the statements I've read from our President so far have been appropriate. I'm kinda shocked. | ||
| Black9 |
Obviously the black community won't be satisfied "justice" won't be accomplished until it goes their way regardless of the facts, then what? The black community turns their heads to black on black crimes , Al Sharpton and the like dissappear into the woodwork, until whitey commits another crime against a minority"turning his life around". Btw, the shop owner probably would have been well within his right to shot the thief. | ||
| Reepicheep |
I agree with your observation of the presidents statements. I wish I could trust his actions, and I wish he hadn't turned the DOJ into an activist agenda driven group over the last few years. Strong leadership could help us all learn from this situation. (Well, those of us that aren't bigots anyway). | ||
| Blake |
>>> If I am a bigot, my prejudism pales in comparison to those here on this site. Your intolerance for anything but orthodox conservative christianity and those who advocate womans choice, gay rights and gun control make you the very essence of intolerant bigotry. You can't stand to see people coherently opposing your delusional Marxist "Progressive" narrative. Merely having strong opinions is not bigotry, but that is exactly how you and your ilk characterize disagreement with your own views. It's the Alinsky way. We're on to you. You're liars and deceivers. Murdering unborn children is mere "choice" to you. It's a lie. It's murder. Mostly it's murder of minority children. Fine by you. Freedom and our right to own and carry weapons is a threat to you. Fascist. Fine by you to ignore the rule of law and pretend the right doesn't exist. Tyranny. Forcing Christians to serve at the alter of homosexual abomination is what you call "tolerance." Liar and bigot! A white police officer defending his life against an attacker is racist murder to you. Liar. Bigot. It's not criminals that are the problem, it's the conservative Christians who are the serious threat, no different from Islamists in your view. You're an intolerant dishonest bigot. (Message edited by blake on August 19, 2014) | ||
| Blake |
America doesn't need political reform as much as we need repentance, revival, and return to God. We've sunk to violating that which is sacred (life, liberty, justice, the rule of law, family, marriage) in favor of political agendas (power), and greed (both personal and corporate). Satan is having his way with American politics and popular culture. Do not be seduced; do not believe it. It is a lie, and death and destruction are its inevitable outcomes. (Message edited by blake on August 19, 2014) | ||
| Damnut |
I go to church and have beliefs but in no way do I want religion anywhere near government or politics. That's crazy talk right there. | ||
| Aesquire |
I don't want religion in government either. That means I am against Sharia and the government forbidding any one's worship....... though I do draw a line at human sacrifice. You want to offer the smell of burning goat to your god(s).... go ahead. I'll stand with you against PETA. You want to burn books? I'd like to slide you a few with dynamite inside.... ( yep helping Darwin ) I won't. But I'd like to. I'm fine with Blake calling for a return to tested values. I don't have the same faith he does so as long as he doesn't try and violate my Constitutional rights I'll support his. Or anyone else's. I'll even support his while mocking him....as is my right. ( and Blake trying to violate my rights is not something I fear or worry about) I'm even ok if your church doesn't want to marry same sex couples......but I'll also be fine with your church or bakery or tuxedo shop being publicly called the bigots they are. Truth should always be a guiding light. You want to guess my position on a subject? The answer that gives maximum personal freedom. | ||
| Reindog |
If I am a bigot, my prejudism pales in comparison to those here on this site. Your intolerance for anything but orthodox conservative christianity and those who advocate womans choice, gay rights and gun control make you the very essence of bigotry. You have surrounded yourself with like minded individuals and as soon as one enters with an alternate opinion you and others resort to insults. I tend not to respond to trollish behavior but this is an exception. Your accusations are simply not true, Troll. You started your appearance on Badweb with a lie claiming you were not someone else. Your reputation was instantly stained although you could have corrected by admitting the truth. Alternate opinions are actively solicited by most here. A Badweb search of your postings shows virtually nothing but insults and snide comments by you. You are a hypocrite and bigot of the highest order. The only conclusion after reading months of your pablum is that you are a tiring person with low intellectual capacity and your sole intent is to get attention from others no matter the cost. You know how to subtract but not to add. The really unfortunate part is that we all lose because of people like you who suck the oxygen out of the room instead of providing alternate viewpoints. PS: Prejudism is not a word except in the Urban Dictionary. Educate yourself. | ||
| Reepicheep |
If there is one thing the media can do well, it's "fix stupid". Get the word out to the masses to clear up an urban legend or common misconception. The one I wish they could clear up now is the degree to which an unarmed person represents a threat, and a violent confrontation doesn't go like it does in the movies. The "fight" is generally over in a matter of seconds. And it isn't a superhero cop able to go all ninja and overcome any street punk. And they can't take punch after punch and rally as the theme song builds in intensity. The fact that an attacking suspect is unarmed is *only* relevant if the cop is allowed and expected to use said gun to stop the attack. If the cop is never allowed or expected to use a gun to stop an attacker, then the fact that the attacker is unarmed is absolutely irrlevant. It's a street brawl and its 50% luck, 30% size, and 20% skill and determination. So the fact that an unarmed person was shot isn't that relevant. The question is if that person represented a real and relevant threat. At the end of the day, everyone needs to learn that attacking a cop should be considered as a potentially life and death event under any circumstance. If there are problems with racial profiling, or police perceptions, they should be explored and addressed. The moment somebody attacks a cop, they are 100% irrelevant. Likewise, an unarmed individual getting shot attacking a cop (at the moment they represent an objective threat) isn't a sign of "social injustice". Its simply a reflection of the fact that we don't intend police officers to agree to go on daily suicide missions. So the big question here should be "did the individual who was shot by the police officer credibly represent a serious threat at that moment?". That ought to be the question society should be trying to clearly answer.. | ||
| Hootowl |
Nah. We'd rather riot based, once again, on a misunderstanding of the event. | ||
| Hootowl |
We want it to be true that a white cop executed a harmless black man, so when it seems that it occurred, we go nuts. Am I close? | ||
| Reepicheep |
Sadly, you nailed it hoot. | ||
| Blake |
>>> Damnut Posted on Tuesday, August 19, 2014 - 10:42 am: I go to church and have beliefs but in no way do I want religion anywhere near government or politics. That's crazy talk right there. So no prayer in congress, no Thanksgiving day or Christmas as federal holidays, no "so help me God" in any govt oath, no "in God we trust" national motto, no "one nation under God" in our pledge, no Ten Commandments on the Supreme Court building, no mention of "blessings" in our constitution, no mention of "God", "our Creator", or "Divine Providence" in our nation's founding document, no clergy allowed to hold public office, no church allowed to provide govt-funded social services, no mention of God or the Bible in public schools? Or do you mean that no church, sect, or particular religious denomination should dictate law or have authority in our govt? Then we agree. The need for repentance, revival and return to God is for all Americans. That is not about ceremony or dogma. It's about respecting that which is sacred, life, liberty, truth, justice, family, marriage, God. Don't care to participate, fine. Hate God, fine. Deny God, Fine. Just don't force your beliefs upon me, and we're good. Force me to serve honor to that which I find abhorrent and an abomination to God, then you've made me your staunch enemy. Continually lie to me and the nation in order to do so. Watch your back. Someday maybe Patrick and I will discuss our religious beliefs and their theological and philosophical coherence. Suspect we agree on most principles, though not the doctrine. Love your neighbor as yourself. Exhibit grace towards others. Don't murder, steal, or even covet. The horror. The point is that America has become far to worshipful of worldly stuff, pleasure, amusement, entertainment, materialism. In excess, far out of balance, as our priority in life, it's a deadly false substitution for living true life, and it leads to—ready for this—hating your neighbor, murder, theft, and covetousness, exhibiting pride and disrespect towards others. Ever see the movie Grounhog Day? (Message edited by blake on August 19, 2014) |
