| Author | Message | ||
     Sifo |
How exact this info is may be somewhat debatable, but I would bet it's close enough for government work. http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcfullau.html
So civilians do not have access to any automatics after 1986, and the total number registered in 1995 was about 240k the civilians only owning about half of that. Call it roughly 120k in civilian hands. I doubt that the government is selling theirs to civilians at this point, so I'm guessing that number is pretty much carved in stone now. So using the "current" number of registered full auto weapons of 512,790 (can we round that to 513k?), that would tell us that since 1995 the government (not military) has acquired roughly an additional 273k full auto guns, bringing their total up to about 393 weapons. Look at it this way. In the past 2 decades our civilian leaders have felt the need to more than triple the number of fully automatic weapons for the sole use of shooting at the civilian population. I would be willing to bet that the rate of increase has not been even for those 2 decades too. If you don't find this just a little bit disturbing, you just aren't paying attention. Under what circumstances would we even want civilian authorities to be using a spray and pray method of shooting? I really can't think of ANY! | ||
| Blake |
And Strykers, and tanks and drones and... | ||
| Ducbsa |
I thought the 1986 law said that, for instance, you could buy and register a recently imported full auto AK47 made in 1970, not solely previously registered full-autos. If that is correct, the police total would be lower. I agree that there don't seem to be many police situations where using full auto is warranted. | ||
| Sifo |
Why am I not surprised by this little tidbit?
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2014/04/robert-fa rago/quote-of-the-day-wait-what-edition/ Looks like more liberal it's good for me, but not for thee hypocrisy. | ||
| Rick_a |
The Department of Homeland Security has also been funding armored tactical vehicles for state and county departments. Saw our local county vehicle the other day. That's a bit disturbing as well. The .gov quietly up armors while pushing to disarm the rest of us. Coincidence? http://www.lencoarmor.com/law-enforcement/bearcat- variants/g2/ Armored against 7.62 AP and .50BMG. Seems a bit much. | ||
| Blake |
Those who haven't yet,,PLEASE step up and be counted! http://youtu.be/wrgrkVE7GcY | ||
| Blake |
Rick, Wow, armored for 50 BMG? That's getting to be some serious armor. Even the AP rounds? | ||
| Puddlepirate |
i doubt it would stop armor piercing 50. there is a very big difference between 762 ap and 50 ap. im not a gunners mate, but as a current 50 mount captain, ive punched through some very thick steel, blown completely through outboard blocks, and sank a hell of a lot of boats with both 50 ball and ap. most armor is not rated for 50 ap. | ||
| Blake |
Deal!... http://www.firearmsforsale.com/combo/barrett50bmg/ | ||
| Ducbsa |
The gun grabbers are desperate: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/376745/bogus -gun-control-numbers-john-r-lott-jr | ||
| Rick_a |
Having spent some time traveling in and learning about APC's, most are 30 cal resistant and may stop 50bmg on the heaviest and most angled panels...usually the front. On something like that the wheels, top, bottom and usually back are the most vulnerable. APC's use mostly aluminum alloy in their construction or they'd weigh too much to have proper mobility. The Lenco truck states it uses steel. Even a mild steel core 50 ball round goes through two inches of mild steel. If it's hardened steel it'd fare better, but as almost none of the surfaces are angled 50 AP would swiss cheese that easily. It's a bit optimistic to call it 50 resistant, me thinks. | ||
| Sifo |
I came across some interesting statistics the other day. It seems that a claimed 33 people are killed with guns daily in the US. Granted, that is very bad news, even though it's almost a ridiculously inflated number. The problem has always been, how many people are saved from crimes each year. There are no compiled statistics on this. There have been studies on this though, and they are interesting. Link from wikipediea... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defensive_gun_use Using the lowest number of defensive gun uses (DGU) you would have 55,000 per year, or about 150 per day. The lowest number swamps the people killed daily, and each DGU has the potential of protecting more than one person. At the high end of the estimates we have up to 3.6 million DGUs, or about 9,863 per day. I'll grant you, that number is probably pretty inflated. Even accepting the low end seems to more than justify not ignoring our second amendment rights. It's worth knowing where you can find these statistics IMO. It's certainly worth knowing the truth about both sides of this issue. | ||
| Ducbsa |
How many of the 33/day are suicides and irrelevant to bad guys committing murder? The grabbers have no hesitation to use phony statistics. Also, how many a day are killed by other means? Remember the statistic that a small % are killed by all rifles, not just scary ones. | ||
| Sifo |
How many of the 33/day are suicides and irrelevant to bad guys committing murder? My understanding is that it's over half. Rational laws on assisted suicide would cut that to a fraction of what it is now. | ||
| Oldog |
some interesting reading http://www.teaparty.org/doj-now-pressuring-banks-r efuse-service-gun-stores-40841/ lawless bastards | ||
| Sifo |
Turning the gun industry into a strictly untraceable cash industry does have a certain appeal.  | ||
| Hootowl |
“Unfortunately your company’s line of business is not commensurate with the industries we work with.” A perfectly reasonable position. Unfortunate that the same constitutional protection of freedom of association is not extended to wedding cake makers who do not want to make cakes for gay weddings. There would appear to be precedent set to force a business to do business with you, regardless of how that business may feel about you and your activities. Someone should get the attorney general involved. Oh, wait. | ||
| Johnglover |
All this fear. Of being disarmed, having rights infringed upon, banning firearms. And in recent years, the paranoia has been attributed to what the NRA passionatley calls "the most anti-gun president in American history." But lets look at the facts, Gun laws signed by the president in his first term: Law allowing citizens to carry firearms in national parks (overturning a Reagan era law requiring you to keep them locked in car. And another allowing Amtrak passengers to carry firearms in checked luggage. (Doing away with a Bush era law banning firearms on passenger trains.) And yet, Firearm sales and profits continued to break more and more records. Fear. In his second term after the series of mass shootings, by far his most "progressive" action on guns, he signed a set of executive orders, requiring more extensive background checks, mental evaluations etc. Again firearm sales skyrocketed. You can apply this model of propaganda to fear to gain to almost any issue that has been on the table in the last last six years. | ||
| Oldog |
John you fail to mention the massive federal over buying of ammo to create shortage the massive arming of federal / state / local agencies the intense fight to limit equipment choices banning certain types of fire arms/ magazines/ features .... erroneously called assault weapons. the erroneously created gun free zones like Chicago just how is that working? the leadership is helping to drive this down at state and local levels, wreck the economy, and disarm the populace. paranoia or paying attention? propaganda? Really? | ||
| Blake |
John, Obama and the Democrats in congress tried to ban the most popular defensive pistols and rifles in the nation. Colorado, New York State, and Connecticut have done so. California has banned them for years. "..., the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." We either have rule of law, or we have tyranny. The absolutely mendacious attempt to inentionally help get people murdered in order to stir up anti-gun sentiment in America is beyond the pale. the Obama administration via the DOJ intentionally provided firearms to murderous criminals in Mexico for the sole purpose of generating outrage against American firearms commerce. 100% false flag operation. There is no other credible explanation why Holder would risk once again being held in contempt of congress trying to cover up the operation. They called it "Fast and Furious." Wise up. (Message edited by Blake on May 02, 2014) | ||
| Aesquire |
I recently heard on NPR a shill..... professional liar..... say that "yes, Hitler's gun laws banned jews from having guns but....made it easier for most Germans to have guns" so it was okay. ............ And some of us remember how awesome that turned out. Unless you were a Gypsy or gay or a union guy or say........jewish. In the US gun control laws were originally written to keep negros from having them. I can provide quotes. To keep from using language LBJ and others were comfortable with I will instead use terms familiar to folk who know the works of Margaret Sanger. The founder of Planned Parenthood, one of the most successful genocide/eugenics organizations ever. ( and a great resource for birth control information ) "Saturday Night Special" is at heart a racist phrase meant to evoke Harlem and the gun ban of that name was meant to keep affordable guns out of the hands of the lesser breeds. It mirrors a similar law from the 1800's meant to keep the mongrel races from being armed. Today of course such racist language is taboo and the methods of selling such laws has changed even though the end result desired is identical. The scope of application has broadened as the old guard racists have been replaced by progressive ones. The hate is still there but the honesty is gone. To folk like Bloomberg we all are lesser breeds, peasants, worthy only to serve our betters and far too childlike to live without their guidance. And mastery. Soda pop to guns. Can't have us making our own decisions now. Don't believe any of the above? Go to jpfo.org Never Again motherF/$#@ | ||
| Macbuell |
I remember the absurdity of the proposed gun laws ... The Ruger Mini-14 with the flash suppresor was illegal ... but the Mini-14 Ranch Rifle without the Suppressor was not. Nevermind that they were both semi-automatic, shot the same ammo and both could take magazines of 20 rounds or more. | ||
| Aesquire |
If you can find it read Handgun Control Inc.'s book on how to ban guns. They are now The Brady Center To Exploit A Crippled Guy. Try "googling" the original name. | ||
| Rick_a |
Gun owners as a collective have been incrementally giving up their rights for 80 years. Enough is enough.
Sure, with the real agenda being registration (and eventual confiscation), bans on magazine capacity, bans of the most popular firearms people rely on for self defense, control of all firearms transactions including private sales, gifts, and inherited firearms as well as records being kept of such, expanded background check criteria prohibiting more normal individuals from purchasing under the guise of good. I don't fear our current government, but I sure as hell don't expect for this administration to look after my best interest. It's an agenda of lies, corruption, and control. | ||
| Swampy |
"Gun owners as a collective have been incrementally giving up their rights for 80 years" Think about it...it is happening, so I propose the NRA push for immediate house to house gun confiscation starting tomorrow, beginning at my house. Lets just get it over with so our grand children don't have to deal with it! | ||
| Aesquire |
If the government doesn't trust us with our guns, why should we trust them with theirs? | ||
| Blake |
My kind of sheriff! http://youtu.be/OJBnAlE7ix4 | ||
| Swampy |
Wait a dog gone minute...according to MSNBC the NRA is for black death by guns! What is a black guy doing at the NRA convention? Must be a sick racist joke, a guy in blackface! | ||
| Ducbsa |
Good thing we have the 2nd Amendment to protect our natural right: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2014/05/gun_se llers_in_the_governments_crosshairs.html Not to mention a regime that is the most transparent ever. | ||
| Sifo |
This stuff is just way out of hand, and now that the court has given their blessing, you can bet that it will continue. When a tyrant tramples your rights, then sits as judge when you try for legal reparation, can you expect justice? Federal court: police can break down door and seize guns without warrant or charges
Does anyone still think that we have a country controlled by the rule of law? This is flat out tyranny. |
