| Author | Message | ||
     Sifo |
The topic was supposed to be about Marilyn Monroe being blonde. I mean, did you ever see her as a brunete OR A BUELL WITHOUT A FERKIN PIPE UNDER ITS ENGINE?  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2064256/Pictures-Marilyn-Monroes-professional-photoshoot-auction.html Just blows your mind, doesn't it!  | ||
| Hootowl |
The RX is a world bike. The exhaust has to exit where it does on bikes bound for the Japanese market. I get what you're saying Rocket. And I agree, at least esthetically, that the muffler is a departure from previous Buells. I would have to say though that the bulk of the muffler is in fact under the bike. And I think if they could have kept it all under there and achieved the same result, they would have. Anyone know what the exhaust extension weighs? Maybe it doesn't make much difference. | ||
| Hootowl |
Guess I should have read previous posts more carefully. Everything I've said is redundant. Carry on. | ||
| Midknyte |
The man is back on his feet making arguably the best bike of his career and ya'll are pitching a fit over 20% of a muffler? I'm confident that he knows more about building bikes that I do about making a sh!t... It's aesthetically irritating, but there's surely a benefit for the way it is, but beyond even that - you are drawing comparisons to legacy bikes with a cast iron lump of an engine that HAD to be creatively worked around. | ||
| Midknyte |
ammended: >...that HAD to be creatively worked around and approved by a committee of fashion designers!  | ||
| Froggy |
Nope.   And on top of that, The 1190RS uses a similar exhaust setup to the 1190RX, so that is two stock bikes that don't have 100% of the exhaust under the motor. I've seen aftermarket undertail exhausts for the XB too. | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
What a couple of pedantic toss pots. I was going to post, 'during her movie career' just in case some smart Alec posted an early publicity pick of Marilyn, knowing we all know she was a bleached blonde. Then of course there's the RW750, which wasn't really a Buell, but more the very BRITISH Barton two stroke, and again I thought no smart Alec will mention the RW. You know, seeing as only two were built and it never made PRODUCTION. As you were silly pedants Don't let me edumacate you about motorcycle design. Ostrich's I tell ya  Rocket in England | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
The man is back on his feet making arguably the best bike of his career and ya'll are pitching a fit over 20% of a muffler? No fitting. Just pointing out a design principle no longer adhered to for the sake of style, given it's the one (again) styling cue seen on ALL Buells. Rocket in England | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
I get what you're saying Rocket. And I agree, at least esthetically, that the muffler is a departure from previous Buells. Hoot, you deserve an award for reading comprehension. You're a rare breed in this topic Rocket in England | ||
| Sifo |
I've been promoted to toss pot!  | ||
| Froggy |
Ok so two were built so that makes it not a production bike? How many need to be built for that? Three 1125RRs were built, and 56 XBRRs left the factory, and now 100 of the 1190RS followed by a handful of EBR RS bikes. The 1190RS and EBR RS, like I said above don't have 100% of the exhaust under the motor, but in your eyes they do not count because every copy built can fit in a small warehouse? | ||
| Aesquire |
Are you arguing for the sake of arguing? If so I will not mention fuel in frame at all.  | ||
| Hootowl |
"Are you arguing for the sake of arguing?" I know that wasn't directed at me, but...yes...sometimes I do  . I love a good argument. (insert Monty Python skit here) | ||
| Reepicheep |
No you don't! | ||
| Hootowl |
There we go... | ||
| M1combat |
Aright... I've decided Rocket is just back to his old tactics. Is it post count Rocket? Just getting your name out there on the board? What is it? | ||
| Aesquire |
I think you are over reacting. From a comment ( bitch ) about a design feature we have gone into the engineering Behind cg ........ cosmetics.......legal requirements. ....... and a nice MM picture. ( thanks ) . It isn't like the new EBR bike is a sculpture that may be useless like the Lotus on another thread. It is a real use machine. And a darn good one. And I think we all agree on that. | ||
| M1combat |
Sure... I just take issue with Rocket deciding that Buell gave up on part of their design philosophy when clearly they haven't. | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
I've been promoted to toss pot! LOL Thanks for taking it in good humour as was intended Sifo. Rocket in England | ||
| Sifo |
Humor? | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
Ok so two were built so that makes it not a production bike? How many need to be built for that? Three 1125RRs were built, and 56 XBRRs left the factory, and now 100 of the 1190RS followed by a handful of EBR RS bikes. The 1190RS and EBR RS, like I said above don't have 100% of the exhaust under the motor, but in your eyes they do not count because every copy built can fit in a small warehouse? Froggy, are you intentionally being a pedant for the sake of argument or are you really blind to all of the explaining I've done so far? Fine, have it your way. If you want to play a silly numbers game I will prove the point using your method. Take every Buell ever built. How many is that exactly? 137004 including and up to your 3 1125RR's. Every Buell ever seen ANYWHERE, that's all 137000 of them. Yes 137000 of them, all recognisable by their under slung exhaust system. I'd call that 137000 motorcycles defining a design, not just as an engineering principle but also as a style icon, attributed ONLY to Buell motorcycles. So Froggy, do you imagine the 160 odd Buells you sight without under slung exhausts are enough to make my point redundant? One thing's for sure. You haven't changed a bit in the years of my absence Rocket in England | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
Sure... I just take issue with Rocket deciding that Buell gave up on part of their design philosophy when clearly they haven't. I didn't say that. I referred to a model of motorcycle not an entire motorcycle company. I should add at this point, I'd fully expect to see EBR revert back to an under slung exhaust system anytime they can (further proving my point I should add). What I said was I would have thought Buell would have stuck to his iconic design principle, it being used on every Buell (save about 160 odd it turns out) ever made, at all costs. And it is somewhat churlish of Buell to have not done so sighting Ducatis own iconic exhaust system which Buell used to prove an engineering principle championing Buell's over Ducati's design. That being MASS CENTRALISATION. You know. Before you hang me  Rocket in England | ||
| Bob_thompson |
Rocket; one irony is that, if I remember several posts from a while back when the 1190 was first being designed and engineered, it was said that the up high silencers,(mufflers,) were specifically designed to be very easily taken off and put on when needed. I refer back to my original comment on this thread; that, most everybody riding a street version will almost assuredly take them off, no matter what EPA noise regulations are in their area. And that my friend will surely confirm EBR's and Eriks definition of mass centralization still stands............won't it? OR, I am the only motorcyclist scofflaw left in this country. I like the sound! | ||
| Midknyte |
 that is all... | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
Rocket; one irony is that, if I remember several posts from a while back when the 1190 was first being designed and engineered, it was said that the up high silencers,(mufflers,) were specifically designed to be very easily taken off and put on when needed. I refer back to my original comment on this thread; that, most everybody riding a street version will almost assuredly take them off, no matter what EPA noise regulations are in their area. And that my friend will surely confirm EBR's and Eriks definition of mass centralization still stands............won't it? As is and has been for many Buells sold. No, your point is merely an observation of what people do to their motorcycles. At the very least, if your point stands from the companies perspective, and they wish to stay true to their principle, they should offer the bike for sale with an inclusive under slung system for owners to fit if they choose to, thus keeping in line with the design principles and getting around any laws to prevent those principles. After all, this has been already done many times by other companies when power sapping system were necessary by regulation. Rocket in England | ||
| Reepicheep |
The RS was designed to have the silencer removed. The RX makes more power and gets more MPG. And I don't think the silencer was removed. With exhausts, there is changing the nature of the sound without really making it a lot louder, and there is loud. If you like loud, would be fine, but many of us don't. I like wasabi, but I don't make *you* eat it. | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
I like wasabi, but I don't make *you* eat it. Buell have had wasabi under their engine 137000 times. Buell don't make you eat it, but it's on their product from manufacture so it's hard not to Rocket in England | ||
| Reepicheep |
I had a supertrapp IDS on my M2, and liked it and kept it. It was a bit louder, but not a lot, and mainly just sounded cooler. It was about perfect. I put another aftermarket pipe on my XB9SX. Took it off a month later, because it was just LOUD, and I decided I was done being a selfish, rude, attention seeking &*&%^%^&. IHMO.  | ||
| Ratbuell |
Has anyone posting in this thread noticed that "THE" muffler is still... .....waiiiiit for it....... UNDER the engine?? Do a google search for "Buell quarter wave exhaust". Or just read any of the posts in the EBR forum. Or read a CycleWorld article or three about it. The high-mounted muffler is a SECONDARY canister. Think two-stroke. Exhaust volume counts. EPA regs are part of it...midrange torque is another part. Do your research about the item in question before you run your mouth/keyboard. Buell/EBR STILL puts their wasabi under the engine. Biggest difference now? They don't have HD telling them then can't put "one o them thar riceburner bellypan-things" around it. | ||
| Rick_a |
I thought that has was common knowledge since the 'ol 1190RS street version surfaced some years ago. |
