| Author | Message | ||
     Tankhead |
Wow Blake now I'm a leftist? You have no idea what political or philosophical way I swing. I guess you did not read the whole response. I never said I disagree with you. I find your hypocrisy ridiculous from previous texts. You just need to relax and get your panties out of that wad. As far as Buell, again you are not "sure" if they have products made by china but you still end your first post with go EBR. I'm sure Erik knows what has to be done versus what he believes. But you are not sure.... come on. HONESTY Blake. (Message edited by tankhead on January 29, 2014) | ||
| Tankhead |
You come off so strong in the first post and then say well its not about components for now but retail items. HYPOCRISY. But your first post seems like you had a cerebral bleed you were so mad about it. Relax my man, blame your politicians, not much else you can do. Your ban, though justified and understood, unfortunately will do very little. Good Luck. No need to call me names (Leftist, I take great offense to that) that can get you banned..... oh wait a minute..... | ||
| Greatlaker |
Thank God that Blake is going to boycott Chinese made goods. Blake, that means that you can get rid of the Chinese manufactured computer you are typing on. I will be happy for the break from your hyperbole while you are gone. | ||
| Sifo |
Thank God that Blake is going to boycott Chinese made goods. Blake, that means that you can get rid of the Chinese manufactured computer you are typing on. I will be happy for the break from your hyperbole while you are gone. Leaving labels out of it, (I know how sensitive some are about that), why do you attack Blake's idea? It's not exactly Blake's original idea BTW. I see that you are north of our border, but isn't Canada having similar trade issues as the US. As for the Canadian economy, isn't it quite heavily tied to the US economy? Blake simply voiced a common sense strategy that we can all take on in our daily lives that will tend to make all of North America stronger. Why the attack?  | ||
| Blake |
Thank you Tom. Eleanor Roosevelt once observed that...(paraphrasing) Great minds talk about ideas. Average minds talk about events. Small minds talk about other people. I have no time for small minds. Tankhead, I do apologize for offending. Good to know we agree on the China deal. But tankster, If you can't see how EBR is EXACTLY what America needs more of, I just don't know what to say other than "huh??? Are you serious??? (Message edited by blake on January 29, 2014) | ||
| Blake |
Greatlaker: A boycott means to cease purchasing products or services from the intended target of said boycott. It doesn't mean avoiding said products altogether. That would be a "shunning" or "dispossessing" or "divorcing". I didn't purchase the iPad I'm using. It was a door prize won by my girlfriend. My other two computers computers were not made in China. They are Dells that were made in Texas, USA. They are old. The desktop monitor on the newer of the two was made in Korea. Our television, not made in China. Our DVD/sound system, not made in China. All of our appliances, many fairly new, were not made in China. I'd rather eat dirt than purchase anything made in China. I once visited 5 different auto parts stores before finding a hitch ball that was not made in China. I paid about double the China crap price for it. I drive a Ford Truck and a Buell motorcycle. I currently work contract for the world's premier satellite earth station antenna manufacturer. Our products are built from the ground up entirely in America, right here in Texas. We stretch-form aluminum alloy sheet, machine, weld, fit and finish steel and aluminum, create state of the art passive electromagnetic components, fabricate in advanced carbon fiber composites. ALMA and MeerKAT are just two examples of our prowess. We also produce the control systems, amplifiers, receivers, and frequency converters. No made in China parts. Military customers won't have it. Every time you listen to satellite radio or watch satellite TV or even pretty much any cable or network presentations, our earth stations are most likely uplinking the content. There is no reason America cannot regroup our manufacturing base and expand it further. Are you most interested in personal attack, or are you willing to join in trying to help turn back the rancid Chinese tide that has swept our nation? I think some react angrily to this boycott China proposal because of guilt. But tomorrow is another day. Your boycott can start then. Look forward to making a difference. Anyone notice that even Glock is manufacturing in the USA now? I think Smith & Wesson and Ruger have put a significant hurting on the once juggernaught Glock market share. Nothing wrong with buying Glock; just nice to see team USA step up to the plate and do so well. (Message edited by blake on January 29, 2014) | ||
| 7873jake |
We build specialty vehicles and large command vehicles for domestic and international markets, law enforcement, military and civilian. Thirty-five guys (and two females) cranking 50 weeks a year non-stop on nearly $15m of product, a third of which will be exported. We are constantly scrutinizing castings, materials sources, steel supplies, aluminum supplies and even our integrated technology to eliminate China from the mix. Its only $15m in total sales but it has to start somewhere. I know not every part we buy or seek can be manufactured here but every part we buy comes from an American supplier, with a sales force, warehouse, work force, light bill, local market tax obligation, shipping department and income tax burden to the U.S. There are days when it could be easier to buy some parts through an Alibaba purchase and stockpile parts at mind numbingly low prices but it simply doesn't reconcile with our product reputation, customer perceptions, price point or responsibility to people in our supply chain to function this way. Do we miss things at times? I'm sure. Are there things that go in to our vehicles we can't get from anywhere else in the world? Possibly. Will we continue to look at each item as it comes out of the package and change it when we see it? Tirelessly. Some of our biggest contracts are built with tax payer dollars for warfighters. Some of those come in with exhaustive requirements for vetting and or removing off-shore suppliers. When it becomes your business practice to do this out of duty and not out of contractual responsibility, its amazing what my guys find and call our attention to, all the way down to fasteners. Did I mention (I know I did already  ) that 37 people in Central Florida will export $5m in manufactured product this year. I know, its only $5m...but its still $5m. Thats ~$135,000 worth of export per person from our modest plant. | ||
| Tankhead |
Again blakester, you are putting words into my mouth. Never said anything like that about EBR or what America needs. I was speaking only about you and nothing else. No big deal. Take care and good luck in your boycott. | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
I would add that great people DO..... not just talk. Imagine if the "founding fathers" never left the tavern. (Message edited by ferris_von_bueller on January 30, 2014) | ||
| Greatlaker |
Blake. There is this thing called the global economy. China is part of is part of the global economy. The made in China T-shirt you pick up from Walmart or The Gap was produced with American sourced cotton that was knit on an American made loom that was sewn together with a Austrian made sewing machine in China or Bangladesh or where ever. There are American jobs that rely on your consumption of goods manufactured in China. American's that build machinery, American's that grow crops, American's that mine and drill and transport goods have jobs because of the Chinese domestic demand for goods. Goods that are consumed by Chinese and goods that are manufactured there and then sold around the world. Your American made Dell computer very likely has components sourced from China. Your Ford truck definitely has Chinese sourced components in the radio or seatbelt or electrical wiring. We all know that Buell has dabbled in Chinese sourced parts. Big deal. In the bigger picture of worldwide economic growth we are all in the same friggin boat. Everything is so interconnected that protesting it on grounds of patriotism or fear of nuclear annihilation is just mental masturbation for mental masturbator's. Did you ever consider that by uplifting the standard of living of the Chinese lower and middle classes that perhaps some day those people will demand the same democratic freedoms enjoyed by other industrialized countries? It has only been 30 years since China started to move to a decentralized market economy. In another 30 years there may very well be a truly democratic government in place. Tiannamen Square proved that there is a generation of people in China looking forward to progressive change in that country. When the children or grandchildren of those progressive thinkers come to power in China in the not too distant future it might very well be the moment for a true democratic society in China to come to fruition. I can easily imagine that if this was the early 1950's that you would be inciting the same hyperbolic diatribe about Japanese manufactured goods invading American shores. As per usual, it's all very nice for you to run around with your panties in a knot here on BadWeb about your perceived social or economic injustice denigrating the United States of America. Was is a slow day at the office today making antennae's? It's a Buell board Blake. Stay on topic. | ||
| Greatlaker |
Sifo. Yeah the Canadian economy is tied to the American economy but that isn't necessarily a good thing. As you can imagine having a diversified portfolio of customers is better than having one. Thankfully the Canadian dollar is presently going down where it should be. Living in Canada is pretty good at the moment. I didn't feel like I was attacking Blake. Just getting sick of all of his fear mongering, paranoia. I just thought it would be pleasant for him not to post more crap for a change. | ||
| Doz |
Nah, Blakes got a point that should not be ignored. I'm in the trades and am sick of seeing tools like Milwaukee or Porter Cable not being made here anymore. And I used to repair my tools, now they are just throw away items. Quality in so many items have gone down hill fast... As for "global economy", I think that was a huge mistake also. | ||
| Xdigitalx |
Obamacare ... Chinacare.... at this point...what difference does it make? (sarcasm) | ||
| Blake |
Laker, You're ignorant of the facts. Ignorance leads to foolishness. Been there, spouted the same garbage that you now offer. Try to learn. China is engaging in an all out economic war against America. Their methods are illegal, corrupt and mendacious. Price fixing, dumping, currency manipulation, bribery... The list goes on. The crap sold here is produced in labor camps, by children, with no regard for human rights or the environment. They ship us dry wall full of caustic chemicals that ruin a home, poison dog foos, poisoned children's toys, toxic tooth paste... Watch the documentary. | ||
| Froggy |
Crack it open. 90% of the components are made in China, the remainder are Malaysia, Singapore, and similar countries. Final assembly is done in the US, but only on the better desktops. The cheapo Dell laptops that you find at BestBuy are all made in China.
I don't believe this either. Even if claims it was made in the US, it is BS. Crack it open, you will find that everything inside is from China (or at least Asia), and "America" is likely the name of a small town outside Bangkok they were assembled in. (That last part is sarcasm, but the rest wasn't) I repair computers, TVs, and other electronics, you will have to go back to the 90s to find stuff made in America. These days due to the manufacturing costs (and environmental laws) it is not cheap or easy to build here. I like to buy American when possible, but when it comes to things that plug in, that realistically ain't possible. Maybe I'll have to take advantage of that gift loophole  | ||
| Geedee |
Blake, I apologise to you for appearing to be rude. My reference to "you" should perhaps have said America. It wasn't intended as personal. I applaud your efforts in this instance to actually identify a root cause of so many problems facing us all, and yes you can make a difference. Your political representatives probably can't. They told you as much. They are funded, bought and sold by corporate persons which are fictions. They are beholden to their political parties who are in turn obligated to their donors. They 'owe' their very existence to the money men. How can they possibly truly act for the benefit of flesh and blood beings? The agenda is the destruction of the United States in the march to total global dominance by the self appointed oligarchy. As you have often advocated, there must be return to law, for everyone, without exception. No exceptions. None. That means all politicians, including Presidents, who commit crimes against humanity by way of unjust and unconstitutional wars, corrupt business men who commit fraud, and corporate leaders who fail in oversight of their operations. Prosecute them, lock them up. Institutional Investors (Are not these the same persons who bank roll American politics? Who dance around the globe influencing outcomes everywhere?) "The rush to invest in China features a who's who of globalization's biggest players: Allianz AG, Carrefour SA, Citigroup Inc., Coca-Cola Co., Eastman Kodak Co., General Motors Corp., Honda Motor Co., Hutchison Whampoa Ltd., Michelin & Cie., News Corp., Siemens AG, Sony Corp., Wal-Mart Stores Inc. and so on. Name a company and, chances are, it's scurrying to the mainland to benefit from cheap labor and land." http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive &refer=columnist_pesek&sid=aig_yQ5tF2PU Weed out the corporate criminals, demand return to true Rule of Law and to the proper Constitution and nothing less, and some things might begin to change. Until then nothing will. That is NOT being defeatist. "When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty." Thomas Jefferson | ||
| Aaron_thomas |
China is aiming for Europe and the EU next. They have already pretty much tied up the US market. It is not so much about the US as it is global domination in regards to trade, manufacturing and exporting. | ||
| Trojan |
It is not so much about the US as it is global domination in regards to trade, manufacturing and exporting. I find deeply ironic that when China belateledy embraces the 'American Dream' and enters the capitalist market that we somehow suddenly cry foul? China has gained its technological expertise and experience from the western countries that have been outsourcing production there for many years in order to cut costs and increase profits. Our greed has built the Chinese manufacturi9ng industry (and the Indian/Thai/korean versions of the same) simply because we have demanded cheaper products and higher profit margins and dividends for shareholders. Now when the Chinese decide to go it alone and build their own products why are we even sightly surprised? It is also quite ironic that you don't see anything worng in Hero buying a huge slice of EBR, taking technical knowledge to their Indian production facility and in return they make a big deal of allowing EBR to flood the US market with more south east asian built powered two wheelers that can easily undercut any domestically produced products (if there were any left to undercut that is!). if you want to boycott anything , then start with all the western companies that outsourced production to China/India/Korea.Thailand years ago at the expense of jobs at home (and I include British companies in this too) rather than Chinese companies. KTM, BMW, Triumph, Harley Davidson are all sccrambling to establish production facilities in India or China even now. Also,China already owns a huge portion of the US and UK national debts. They already own power companies, water utilities, railway companies, shipping companies etc etc etc, so you can't really tell any more who owns what and whether you are actually buying a 'home grown' product. Te final irony is that in order for domestic comapnies to compete with the emerging capitalists in Asia, our companies are having to increase productivity and efficiency, remove unionisation, install social contracts and collective bargaining between workers and management on pay and conditions and so on.......as they become more capitalist it seems we must embrace more socialism in order to compete discuss  | ||
| Glitch |
From a slightly different point of view | ||
| Xdigitalx |
http://www.madeinusa.org/nav.cgi?data/elec http://madeinusaforever.com/electronicsnew.html I think there is quite a bit of high end analog audio gear made in the usa. | ||
| Xdigitalx |
http://www.madehereinamerica.com/Pages/default.asp x | ||
| Xdigitalx |
The thing some cheap/super affordable products from overseas..., millions of families can have flat screen TV's and 5.1 surround systems in their home... some for the very first time in their lives! I mean.... is there really a difference between listening to mp3 music thru cheap headphones vs a vinyl record thru made in usa audiophile stereo system? I will still get the message and pretty much feel good when I hear the song right??? So what difference, at this point, does it make?? (sarcasm) | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
The next six months to a year should be interesting. If you think the financial mess is behind us think again. All this consternation in regards to China might be a moot point. | ||
| Blake |
Frank, You no read good. I didn't say the TV was made in America. Nor did I say the parts of the computers were not made in China. The CPU and hard drives sure aren't. The RAM isn't. Not all made in America, but not made in China. Matt (Trojan), >>> I find deeply ironic that when China belateledy embraces the 'American Dream' and enters the capitalist market that we somehow suddenly cry foul? Your premise is false. Dumping isn't free enterprise. It's communist govt policy. Labor camps are not free enterprise, they're communist govt policy. Currency manipulation isn't free enterprise, it's communist govt policy. Ignoring massive life choking pollution, horrendous human right violations, toxic products, and malevent corruption is something we should embrace? You notice we're not complaining about Mexico or South Korea. There's a huge difference. Wise up. Etc, etc, etc. | ||
| Hootowl |
"China has gained its technological expertise and experience from the western countries that have been outsourcing production there for many years " The Chinese military has infiltrated western manufacturing and technology companies. IP is stolen, and passed off to government owned companies that blatantly produce near replicas of the products, often before the victim company has brought the product to market. They also steal pricing information, and information about current bids for work. Guess who's bid always comes in under everyone else's? China does not play fair in business. They're criminals. | ||
| Hootowl |
"It is also quite ironic that you don't see anything worng (sic) in Hero buying a huge slice of EBR," Huge different between China and India. India is the world's largest democracy. China is the world's largest communist country. India isn't robbing us blind, manipulating their currency, dumping finished steel products on the market below the price of the unfinished steel, etc. There's nothing wrong with a strong India. China, on the other hand, is making plans to invade. Not theoretical plans, mind you, they've got a time line. We should not be sending any money to China. Bill Clinton was wrong to grant them most favored nation trade status and give them the port of long beach. | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
You mean like the NSA? http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/09/nsa-s pying-brazil-oil-petrobras | ||
| Hootowl |
"people in China looking forward to progressive change" They're already communist. How much more to the left can they go? | ||
| Hootowl |
Yeah, like the NSA. Only the'yre better at it, and they use the information not for defense, but to wage economic war against us. | ||
| Fahren |
"When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty." Thomas Jefferson Geedee, Good points. Just a note about the Jefferson quote: Jefferson never wrote that, although he came pretty darn close to it in our Declaration of Independence:
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