| Author | Message | ||
     Ratbuell |
OK. This is for those "in the know" about gun laws in Maryland. I don't know near as much as I should....so I'm looking for advice. I now own 100% of an LLC in Maryland. Part of that (the fun side) is live sound production (bar bands). Not quite $15k in gear, in bars, heading home at 3am, surrounded by drunks, in a $15k truck, with whatever the bar paid me for the gig in my pocket. Other part (more $, not as fun) is owning rental property. Renovations, maintenance, painting, and "you kids get the F off my lawn!" anti-trespassing stuff (the local rednecks have been doing donuts in the yard, in the snow, with what look like BFG Comp/Terrain AT tires). Duplex has been vacant for 3+ years so for now, it's habitual for them but I hope to break that habit quickly. Eventually (hopefully sooner rather than later) I'll have tenants to cope with as well. My question - are there loopholes, phrases, or codes that I can focus on in order to get my carry permit in the People's Republik of Maryland? Yes, the property that I own and have a right to protect is worth well over $100k. I HAVE ZERO DESIRE TO CARRY TO BARS. I don't drink when I do gigs anyway - my ear goes away after two drinks and the show sounds like crap, but honestly...if someone approached me after a gig? Take the truck and the gear. I have insurance. Can I have my phone so I can call a cab please? Guns and booze may work for some...not for me. I do not, under any circumstances, wish to have my sidearm with me at a gig. If the venue makes me think I should carry...I book a different gig, at a different venue. My concern is the property. I want to be able to go there protected against whatever may occur. My property, my right to self-protect. WITHOUT turning this into a second amendment debate...does anyone have any constructive advice for this specific situation? | ||
| Nillaice |
Good on you for standing up and taking the necessary precautions to defend your self! As you said, you have insurance on your stuff. Don't think of it as a means to defend your property, but to defend yourself if you feel that your life is in danger. if someone is willing to forcibly take your property, what would lead you to believe they have the moral capacity to not take your life while they are at it or if you should try to stop them. Looks like the Secretary of State police handle concealed hangun permits in MD and you'll need to show proof of competency like maybe a dd214 or a specific handgun course. It reads like you are going to have to provide good and sufficient reason above and beyond your ignorable right to self preservation to get said permit http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Marylan d http://www.nraila.org/gun-laws/state-laws/maryland .aspx How close are you to the state line so you can buy some real magazines? You really only need a couple for each handgun. The 10 rounders will serve just find for range duty. ... Unless you have a fondness for revolvers, in that case get some speed loaders  In the mean time, and then as a back up I really like the Kimber pepper blaster. It has Many advantages Like stopping power. Not .45 vs 9mm, but what is going to stop an attacker and make them decide to go away from you. Buy a couple and keep them handy. I'm not a lawyer and do not provide legal advice. | ||
| Ducbsa |
The NRA summary doesn't seem to address if you are merely driving through MD with an unloaded pistol in your trunk. IIRC there have been similar instances in the news. | ||
| Court |
Start by reading "In The Gravest Extreme" by Masaad Ayoob. I, having been shot 3 times, often take a different view than many. http://www.amazon.com/In-Gravest-Extreme-Personal- Protection/dp/0936279001/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=13 86759136&sr=8-1&keywords=in+the+gravest+extreme | ||
| D_adams |
Now THAT'S a story I'm sure a lot of people will want to hear. | ||
| Bob_thompson |
Court: "Start by reading "In The Gravest Extreme" by Masaad Ayoob." In my personal opinion, the best read there is on personal defense & concealed carry. He brings out many, both good and bad points about a persons desire to defend yourself against all types of life altering events. I never missed one of his programs on TV. | ||
| Uncle |
Can't help you with the carry permit but as far as the vehicle trespassing.....a couple of well placed and/or partially buried telephone pole sections or posts should stop them pretty quick. Some loose barbed wire for the undercarriage too. Of course you might have to disguise this stuff under some loose dirt/snow/leaves. | ||
| Mnscrounger |
Another great resource for information is www.handgunlaw.us It covers the questions about pocket knives and pepper spray, posession of a firearm in a car, camper, hotel room, "just passing through", etc.. Often it is updated before the relevant states own website. It cites case law, and provides links to the respective states web pages to verify the information and covers the application process. Disclaimer: I am a CCW instructor, not a lawyer, and my legal advice is worth exactly what it cost you. | ||
| Old_guy |
Having been born and raised in Md. as well as having my best friends family own 2 gun stores in Md. I think I can safely say that unless you have documented, specific threats against your person it's unlikely they will issue you a permit. | ||
| Mtnmason |
^ this, sadly. I know a guy that lives in NYC. Carries a S&W 642. Daily. Never worries about it - even with 'stop and frisk' (he is white and dresses nicely). What's more important to you - life or legislation? I know what the guy in NYC would say. | ||
| Ourdee |
Electronic security measures for property. Lojack. Disable. Panic siren. Post signs on the property. Notice, under new management. No trespassing. Etc. Weld steel pipes into giant jacks and chain them in the yard under the guise of art. | ||
| D_adams |
Sell it all and move? I couldn't imagine living in NY at all now with the gun grab crap going on there. Never looked into MD's gun restrictions/policies, but then again, I'm relatively happy where I am. It would be nice to be warmer right now, low was 4 degrees overnight. | ||
| Crackhead |
MD's concealed carry laws are bad. Since you are an owner of a business it is possible to get a carry permit but if i remember correctly, you need to show consistent large CASH deposits or payments. Since you have to deal with rednecks, a Remington or Mossberg might have greater influence. Plus you are more likely to have it with you around hunting season. | ||
| Bob_thompson |
Mtnmason : "What's more important to you - life or legislation" Just a thought and I do not condone this at all especially in "these times" but; when I lived outside of Chicago in the 60's-70's and worked in the downtown area I was advised by a Chicago detective sergeant unofficially of course, to carry my then 1911 .45 auto. His thought was: "it just may save your life and its only a misdemeanor charge if caught carrying". Now, of course all that may well have changed to a much more serious crime especially in highly liberal communities. And a big Amen to Dean Adams. Here Utah is a paradise for freedoms. | ||
| Fb1 |
Having been born and raised in Md. as well as having my best friends family own 2 gun stores in Md. I think I can safely say that unless you have documented, specific threats against your person it's unlikely they will issue you a permit.
Maryland must not have liked their 2nd Amendment. | ||
| Buewulf |
"a couple of well placed and/or partially buried telephone pole sections or posts should stop them pretty quick. Some loose barbed wire for the undercarriage too. Of course you might have to disguise this stuff under some loose dirt/snow/leaves." You can get sued for this. Don't do it. | ||
| Uncle |
"you can get sued for this" Sued for what? Damage to their vehicle; after they've trespassed on and vandalized my property? In todays litigious society you're probably right, but I'd love to hear the legal justification for said lawsuit. (Message edited by Uncle on December 12, 2013) | ||
| Old_guy |
Maryland is one of the most liberal states in the union. The lawmakers are loons. One of the counties, Montgomery, has passed a "rain tax", you will be taxed based on the percentage of your property that is covered by non-porous hard scape. | ||
| Buewulf |
"Sued for what?" You can't create hidden dangers on your property. It is considered willful misconduct in all states and makes you responsible for injury and property damage to anyone that comes on you land, invited or not. In many, perhaps most states, you can face criminal charges too if injury or death results. If the vandals are minors, things become even hairier for the property owner due to what are called attractive nuisance laws which essentially dictate that the owner has to take extra measures to make his/her property or certain parts of it safer / more secure if there is a component of that property that attracts children (shed, pond, etc.) "Children" can be as old as 17 years-old depending the particular laws of your state. | ||
| Reepicheep |
The lesson here would be twofold... if you feel the need to do something: 1) Don't post about it on the Internet 2) Make it something indistinguishable between malicious and unrelated. So barbed wire and steel posts? Probably going to get you sued or shot. That doesn't mean they don't deserve everything they got, it just means that when you wrestle with a pig you get muddy. Landscaping with large rocks? That looks quite lovely, why on earth would someone drive over it? And what a shame it punched a hole in their oil pan. | ||
| Uncle |
Buewolf, You're right, you've got to be very careful dealing with a situation like this. It sounds like you have some legal knowledge about the trespass scenario. A previous experience? If so, I'd be curious on the details. Maybe on a different thread, I've hijacked this one enough (sorry Ratbuell). In reality, I wouldn't be so blatant. I'm more in line with Reepicheep's thinking....creative/strategic landscaping. Unfortunately, I don't think there are many effective legal options in dealing with trespassing/vandalism. | ||
| Court |
In a former life I employed a great trespass deterent called a Cloymore. Simple, light and effective. Not sure you can use them as a civilian and clean-up is problematic. | ||
| Elsinore74 |
Claymores were reliable as the sun coming up tomorrow, but that commo wire would present a liability in today's world after the fact. Joe, I wish you the best of luck in your pursuit of a Maryland CCW permit. I don't have any legal advice to offer, but if the move is still on for a number of western counties to secede from Maryland, I hope you're in one of those. If I were in charge of the Commonwealth for a day, I'd call the Politburo in Annapolis and offer them Fairfax County in trade for those five counties. | ||
| Mtnmason |
"If I were in charge of the Commonwealth for a day, I'd call the Politburo in Annapolis and offer them Fairfax County in trade for those five counties."\ ^^^^^^ THIS ^^^^^ = WINNER!!! from a former Richmonder (current Danvillian) this might be one of the better original lines by a Badwebber I've read in a while! Unfairfax (along with Loudon) need to go - BUT, what are we gonna do with all the Tidewater counties that keep going blue? Compare these election maps: 2013 Gubernatorial: http://www.politico.com/2013-election/results/gove rnor/virginia/ 2012 Presidential: http://www.politico.com/2012-election/results/pres ident/virginia/ and 2008 while we're at it: http://www.politico.com/electionmap2008/ From looking at those results one must conclude that Va is almost lost. It has always been, and always will be, a slow march to the left - YET! - our 2A freedoms here remain some of the strongest in the nation and I'm confident that that won't change anytime soon. - McCauliffe knows where he is. And he knows who the VCDL is! And I'm POSITIVE he's aware of the recent goings-on in Colorado regarding the 2A. Sorry to seem like I'm totally hi-jacking this to talk about my state, but we are neighbors and we (Virginians) are in waaay better shape than our brethren directly to the north. In relation to Elsinore74's brilliant comment - how would you feel about seeing if we could just get WVa to come back on with us? I think if they could go back to 1863 knowing what they know now, they might've hung around... Just sayin'. | ||
| Reepicheep |
I have family that lived in Baltimore for a long time. I was recently up there with one of my boys for a Lacrosse tournament. Many of the parents and the kids went into the inner harbor later that night. My thought was "hell no" and we hunkered down in the hotel. Not only did the kids get to have a great tournament, they got to witness their first mugging by a group of thugs who surrounded a young woman on the train. Lovely. Now they know why I wouldn't go. Ticks me off even more knowing MD won't honor my Ohio CCW permit (which means I don't carry there when I have to go there, but it also means I won't go there if I can at all avoid it). | ||
| Bob_thompson |
One more thought: When I went through mandatory concealed carry training years ago here in Utah it was taught and is the law in many jurisdictions around the country that: when you carry the weapon HAS to be totally concealed. Now bearing that in mind, if you do that, no one would ever know that you have a weapon. Its still a free choice to weather you believe in breaking a small law to save your life "in the gravest extreme" and it may well be the most important decision you'll ever make in your life and possibly that of a loved one. | ||
| Blake |
>>> I'm confident that that won't change anytime soon. Careful to avoid underestimating the incredible hubris of Progressives. They hold no loyalty whatsoever to anything but their marxist utopia. | ||
| Johnnymceldoo |
Living in a place where there are a high number of poor people and democrats is taking a big risk and the reason is simple; alot democrats dont want poor people, especially blacks, to be able to protect themselves. It sounds outrageous I know but reality is just reality. | ||
| Mtnmason |
^^^ You're both absolutely correct. Even so, I can't help but feel encouraged by the swift response in CO. Living here and NC my whole 31 yrs leads me to believe that Virginians are even tighter 'clingers'. | ||
| Doz |
I have, on occasion, carried in states that I'm not licensed in- only when I felt the need. Better to ask forgivness than be dead. |
