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     Thumper74 |
"A federal hate crimes violation in a killing carries a maximum penalty of life in prison. Even if the federal charges were identical to the state charges, it would not be double jeopardy for Zimmerman because the federal government is a separate and sovereign entity." Interesting that when it comes to states rights, they fall under the umbrella of the Federal government, but trying someone for the same crime twice isn't double jeopardy when it's the Feds. http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/16/politics/zimmerman-h older/index.html?hpt=hp_t2 Stand your ground laws make sense because as a law abiding citizen, we should not be required to cower to those should do us harm. | ||
| Pdxs3t |
Eric Holder is now clearly stating as I write, we in states, that have some sort of law. Which allows us to stand our ground and not become a victim or statistic. Should not be allowed, because it will save other Trayvon Martin’s in our country. | ||
| Fb1 |
This comes as no surprise:
Sounds to me like it's all going according to plan... | ||
| Hootowl |
Stand Your Ground is irrelevant to this case. It was not used as justification for the shooting by the defense. All reports to the contrary are a fabrication. | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
watched two parts of the piers morgan interview with jeantel - but why arent they posting all of the last bit? I found the 'nigga' part where she talks about how she wished she'd have talked about it more, but there has to be more to the interview not being posted | ||
| Fb1 |
Eric Holder is now clearly stating as I write, we in states, that have some sort of law. Which allows us to stand our ground and not become a victim or statistic. Should not be allowed, because it will save other Trayvon Martin’s in our country. SYG was not an issue in the Zimmerman case. Not that anyone would know that by watching the Lamestream Media of late. This is Bernie de la Rionda and Angela Corey, asked by CNN to describe George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin in one word. Corey calls Zimmerman a "murderer" and Martin "prey": http://youtu.be/EhzTe9n1vvQ Speechless, I am. | ||
| Fb1 |
Thank you, Mr. President. As if you didn't already have enough blood on your hands. | ||
| Pdxs3t |
SYG isn't even what the law is called in Florida. That came out in direct testimony, when the State asked Zimmerman's old proff about the law. | ||
| Kenm123t |
law worked good guy lived bad guy dead no longer a menace! Why isn't Sharpton in Jail for inciting his 100 riots Note Walmart Place Conex boxes in front of your stores and close them when the Rev comes to town | ||
| Jramsey |
I like this take on the subject, from Ted Nugent. http://rare.us/story/nugent-zimmerma...-self-defen se/ So this guy’s neighborhood has been burglarized off and on and the residents are very concerned for their safety and well-being. Neighbors agree to upkick their vigilance and overall level of awareness to watch out for each other and keep an eye out for suspicious individuals and behavior. It could be considered by an official designation such as “Neighborhood Watch”, but officially labeled or not, it is the purest form of Americans watching out for each other and being good neighbors. So far so good. So George Zimmerman sees what he believes is a suspicious individual in suspicious circumstances, and intelligently and responsibly pays attention and calls 9-1-1 to report what he sees to the officials. This gesture is proof positive he was not looking to do anyone harm or break any laws, but rather perform the fundamental responsibility of a neighbor who cares. Doing nothing illegal or improper, he follows the individual while answering all the questions from the 9-1-1 operator to the best of his ability, keeping an eye on the individual so the authorities can hopefully intercept and determine exactly what is going on. For reasons unknown, though I will comment on momentarily, after expressing racism and hostility on the phone to a friend in response to being followed, the suspect now changes course and turns towards George and immediately initiates a hostile verbal confrontation that quickly escalate to a violent physical assault. Within seconds, the suspect has overwhelmed George, has gained the advantage on top, pinning George to the ground, and further escalates the assault to deadly force by smashing George’s face, breaking his nose, and violently slamming his skull onto the concrete with all his youthful athleticism. George screams frantically for help as Trayvon Martin pummels his face and head furiously, inflicting damaging and potentially life threatening wounds. Fearing for his life and about to lose consciousness at the hands of an enraged, violent attacker, George Zimmerman does what anyone who wishes to live would do, and he reaches for his concealed handgun, firing a single shot to neutralize the deadly force being wreaked upon him. This represents the purest form of self-defense there is. It is exactly why people who believe in good over evil carry a gun to protect themselves from the well documented violence that plagues our country, in order to save our lives from a life threatening attack. Period. Based on all evidence available to them, the professional law enforcement officers did not hold George Zimmerman on charges later that night. They saw it for what it was: cut and dried self-defense. And so it was for a few weeks until the race-baiting industry saw an opportunity to further the racist careers of Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, the Black Panthers. President Obama and Attorney General Eric Holder, et al, who then swept down on the Florida community refusing to admit that the 17-year-old dope smoking, racist gangsta wannabe Trayvon Martin was at all responsible for his bad decisions and standard modus operendi of always taking the violent route. With an obvious racist chip on his shoulder, referencing the neighborhood watch guy as a “creepy ass cracker” to his fellow racist female friend who admitted under oath that that is how non-blacks are referred to normally in their circles, Trayvon had no reason not to attack, because it was the standard thug thing to do. See Chicago any day of the week. With nearly 700 examples of this truism played out in Chicago in 2012 alone, no one can possibly dispute the recent surge in black racism increasing throughout Barack Obama’s presidency. To attempt to claim otherwise is a laughable lie. The jury got it right, and non-racist America rejoices that there is still common sense, honesty and decency aware of identifying justice in this country. America also believes that the entire prosecutorial team should be ashamed of themselves and disbarred for ignoring the obvious and kowtowing to the pure racism that forced the politically correct lie that only black lives killed by non-blacks matter, which is why there are no headlines, no protests, no prosecutions and no Barak Obama or Eric Holder meddling in the nonstop black-on-black slaughter in their gun-free zone of Chicago. Martin Luther King Jr. is rolling over in his grave that he sacrificed his life for the cause of judging people by the content of their character instead of the color of their skin, as so many of his own race carry in in self-destructive behavior while professional race mongers blame everything on racism. It is painful and heartbreaking to say and write this, but horrifically it is true. Blacks kill more blacks in a weekend in Chicago than the evil, vile Ku Klux Klan idiots did in 50 years. Truly earth shattering insane. And not a peep from Obama or Holder. Tragic. The only racism on that night was perpetrated by Trayvon Martin, and everybody knows it. Here’s the lesson from all this, America: Teach your children to not attack people for no good reason whatsoever. Conduct yourself in a responsible, civil manner, and everything will be just fine. Try to kill someone and that someone just may be exercising his or her Second Amendment rights and you could get shot. It’s called self-defense, and it is the oldest, strongest and most righteous instinct and God-given right known to man. | ||
| Ducbsa |
Here's a good response to the Hoodie solidarity types “Of all the young black shooting victims in this country, you can name 1. Because you’ve been trained like a circus seal to bark on command.” https://twitter.com/iowahawkblog/status/3572986553 35694340 | ||
| Blake |
FB, That is truly chilling. This "reporter" with his emphatic "... George Zimmerman is still a murderer" well-rehearsed theatrics obviously looking to foment violent conflict. Why? Wake up America, the leftist orchestrated genocide has no fear of your Constitution, that old outdated piece of paper. "If I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon." "The police acted stupidly." Race-baiting Progressive/Marxist deceivers. We must submit to a vicious beating or be painted as "murderer" while the attacker is called "victim", and "prey. It looks more and more like Brian (Cityslicker) has been correct all along. It comes. What shall we do? | ||
| Hootowl |
Vote. | ||
| Hootowl |
Sigh. More misdirection. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/07/16/holder- wades-deeper-into-zimmerman-battle-calls-for-revie w-stand-your-ground/ SYG has NOTHING to do with this case. I can not believe he is that ignorant, so he must be doing it on purpose. | ||
| Fb1 |
What shall we do? I'm at a loss, amigo. Voting doesn't work anymore - the game is rigged. This is war for the very soul of America, and the left is winning. I'm out of words. FB | ||
| Reindog |
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| Faseljd |
They need more black leaders like this ! http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a70_1374030948 | ||
| Pdxs3t |
Two night’s ago, when Greta Van Susteren was interviewing one of the Martin’s attorney's and that attorney inadvertently, let the cat out of the bag. The attorney stated, not only was she a lawyer but, she was also a Social Engineer. Social Engineer = Social Manipulation. And if you step back and look at the Zimmerman trial, that’s all you see is social manipulation from almost day one. And when you start thinking about it, in the bigger picture of things. Its very scary. | ||
| Hootowl |
RE the video linked above, unfettered truth. | ||
| Ninefortheroad |
..going a bit off topic but, When she said social engineering, I was like WTF? Did she just say that? Who is she to Social engineer? I don't want to be Social Engineered! That is so far left, it is out of the park. Social Eng. is just as dangerous as Genetic Eng. | ||
| Oldog |
Voting doesn't work anymore - the game is rigged. I hope that you are wrong, Lets get involved, lets as citizens raise our voices and say ENOUGH!. As John McCain Said "If you are not happy with the process, get involved change it" I plan on it, I have contacted the local repubs, the tea party is not big enough to de-rail the socialist menace. If and only If we take action can we stop this. Face it the only other actions take us to civil war, ready for that? We can sit on our hands and let these miscreants succeed, Or we can use our talents to individually AND / OR collectively to effect change. This place has allowed me to meet and converse with some of the brightest, BEST and most well spoken people that I ever known. Ferris, I find it hard to believe that you are truly out of words. I want to believe that like me you are overwhelmed by the mess that you see take a breath, think about it and consider a positive course of of action.   } If you have a copy of "The Patriot" it is suggested viewing ... And or "Valley Forge" by Gingritch & Forstchen "Stay the course" (Message edited by oldog on July 17, 2013) | ||
| Oldog |
As an aside I followed additional links off of the live leak, there are some telling and intelligent comments from members of the black community, about all of the post trial race bating going on. | ||
| Aesquire |
Social engineering. Social Justice. All aspects of a religion whose goal, purpose, aim, and creation is to give a small number of self appointed leaders the power over a vast number of suckers. If I tell you that the State Prosecutor is a nazi she devil who worships Hitler, I'd be damned close to the truth. It wouldn't BE the truth, I'm sure the lying sack thinks Hitler is evil. I bet you she thinks Hitler is Right wing. ( He wasn't, he was Socialist ) I bet she thinks she is on the side of the angels, since it's her purpose in life to bring about the Socialist Utopia, ( darned near the same one Hitler wanted, except he wanted his faction in charge, and she wants hers ) and the mantra of the Communists, "by any means necessary" is tattooed on her heart. Hate is the core tool of evil people. We hate them because they are different! We hate them because while you suckers are screaming at them, burning their homes, and smashing their cars, I'm getting rich and powerful and you idiots love me. This is such a fracking common theme in history, it's no wonder that education fads, from Common Core, http://www.mariettatimes.com/page/content.detail/i d/551885/Don-t-trust Whole language reading, Self esteem movement, etc. are not teaching the history that would let people know these folk are evil scum who want to use them. Why do people believe the lies from MSNBC? Because they never were taught that those people lie to them. Because the teachers lied to them. Because the SAME religious/political movement that is paying protesters to call for the Lynching of George, is the one that runs the public schools. During the Obama campaign ( still ongoing ) the ground work for righteous euthanasia of old folk was laid down with a propaganda campaign to tell the youth that the old folks were spending all their money. Then Obama spent all their money. The culling of the old was laid down into law with the ACA. ( Obamacare ) But the willingness to let the old folk die was instilled in a propaganda campaign to teach the young lies about the older generations. This racism against a hispanic fellow is part of the ongoing preparation for the next step in racist exploitation. Yes, it's the ongoing policy of the Progressive movement to USE the lesser races to achieve the goals of domination. ( that's the actual term they applied to the black Americans they exploit.) They just lie about how racist they really are. Which is easy in the D party, which has always lied about how racist the leaders really are. Since the 1800's. ( you remember, back when the D' voted to keep slaves ) | ||
| Fb1 |
Ferris, I find it hard to believe that you are truly out of words. Amigo, I saw with my own eyes what happened in the fake elections last November. Voting does NOT work anymore. Talking about it has not, and will not, fix the problem. Voting? We're no better than a banana republic at this point. Congress? They seem powerless to do a damn thing. Talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, and meanwhile? Our country continues to be fundamentally transformed before our weary, bewildered eyes. Our top politicians are corrupt, and are traitors. The mainstream media, with the exception of Fox, is corrupt, and are traitors. Congress? There are some good ones in there. As a whole? They seem weak and feckless. They certainly haven't slowed down Dear Leader and his traitorous agenda a single iota. Stay the course? Noble words, my friend, and if we stay the present course, by the end of Dear Leader's second term we'll be finished as a constitutional republic. Hell, we're probably there already. | ||
| Reindog |
FB1, there's always room for you in the Beer Bunker when the time comes. I mostly agree with you but I still hold out hope that there are enough true Americans who are awaking from their self induced coma. The Zimmerman lynching is seminal. Obamacare's destruction of America is seminal. I didn't think Reagan would win in 1980 but the American People woke up. There are a number of us who will be at Laguna Seca this weekend and we have lost ALL tolerance for some of the Progressives who come onto the LoveShack site (some without paying). May they rot in Hell for supporting the corrosive Destructors that they have helped elect. | ||
| Reindog |
On a "lighter" note.  | ||
| Fb1 |
FB1, there's always room for you in the Beer Bunker when the time comes. Gracias, amigo. I mostly agree with you but I still hold out hope that there are enough true Americans who are awaking from their self induced coma. Reindoggy, I think there are MILLIONS and MILLIONS of Americans who finally see what's going on. This is of very little value, however, if the vote is fixed, as we saw in last November's pretend election. 0bama didn't win, and yet...he won. Sure, we can all be pissed off about what's going on. 0bama and his minions laugh EVERY FRIKKIN' DAY at us. They mock and ridicule us. He knows we're on to him, and he knows there's not a damn thing we can do about. He's like a serial arsonist, setting fires faster than the firefighters can come in behind him and put them out. Worse yet, WE (the firefighters) have to play by the rules. HE, unfortunately, does not. Damn, he makes up the rules as he goes along, aided and abetted by the only Attorney General in US history to be held in contempt of Congress (for all the good that did), aided and abetted by a breathtakingly corrupt media, and aided and abetted by an entire army of folks who seem to want to punish ME (and you) for actually believing in the Constitution and Bill of Rights and the wisdom and sacrifice of the Founding Fathers. Sure, I'm mad as hell. So are most of the rest of us. Meanwhile, 0bama fulfills the only campaign promise he's ever kept. Talk, talk, talk, vote, vote, vote, yet the beatdown goes on. | ||
| Pdxs3t |
The Congressional Black Caucus has just released a statement, that Zimmerman “has” violated Trayvon Martin’s civil rights. They are meeting now, to discuss how to deal with it. The DOJ is soliciting email’s and phone call’s to help with their civil case against Zimmerman. I've grown so tired of shaking my head in disgust. We are seeing a modern day witch hunt. And its not only Zimmerman. Its every American, who disagrees. | ||
| Oldog |
Amigo, I saw with my own eyes what happened in the fake elections last November. we have seen the prosecution of folks near chicago on voter fraud. There are folks working on it. If you are referring to Col Wests' re-election in the Gerrymandered district OK granted. I watched the presidential election and was shocked when the popular result was decided by 10 PM. But the difference was enough that it seems improbable that a small group did it. Congress? They seem powerless to do a damn thing. Talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, and meanwhile? Our country continues to be fundamentally transformed before our weary, bewildered eyes. Our top politicians are corrupt, and are traitors. Ok do you really think that they will try to fix ALL of the elections?, IF The repubs/teaparty get a majority in the Senate, and keep one in the house THEN we could see the traitors removed, The "Talk,Talk,Talk" is the house is trying to do part of its job, consider that they may also be marking time unless they hold a majority in both the house and senate an impeachment will have little effect, ( think Clinton IIRC he was impeached but could not be removed ) What we have to try and do, Vote out the DEMS get the house and the senate back, THEN Demand that Obama, and Biden both be removed from office. If that works then we can remove the appointees, and have the desired house cleaning, It starts with US I voted last time I will WORK with the REPUBLICANS THIS TIME as well We the people who do not agree with the leftist nonsense must act. IF you give up you give these ba$tards what they want. When Washington was at valley forge his men were huddled around small fires, sick with little or nothing to eat, some with no boots, The politicians had promised food weapons and tools, they received nothing. They did not give up against the British Washington, Lafayette, Von-Steuben, they took a group of ragtag farmers and kicked the a$$ of one of the best armies of that time I take heart from The history of this country, its who we are. The obamas, holders, reids, pelosis, shumers don't get it and never will they only succeed when we let them. | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
While the Nuge is usually a bit too much for me - dude was spot on for what was posted above. I truly hate that someone died that night, I dont want anyone hurt or killed or dumb reasons (this whole situation was dumb). But what upsets me most is the people outraged at the jurors or the 'faulty' justice system and not at the media etc The media did this to us/them. People like Sharpton and Jesse made this a real issue. THe media got behind it and the train was on its way, building momentum. So many facts were overlooked (oh id LOVE to see the text messages the biased judge wouldnt allow, same for the pictures) and people have this image of a sweet angel that was gunned down for zero reason. F word it sucks. |
