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     Aesquire |
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/04/16/us-clima te-slowdown-idUSBRE93F0AJ20130416 Well it took 15 years for someone to notice. How long will it take to notice that they have been lied to about "the warmest year on record" every year for 15 years? | ||
| Sifo |
Someone at the Daily Kos just read about Michael Mann and finds him quite the hero. Michael Mann is a Modern Hero and we need to acknowledge that! So much so that they set up a poll to see what people felt. Seems that others know a bit more about Mann...   | ||
| Aesquire |
"independently investigated and vindicated" Yes, at least once by the same school administration that covered up a coach's kiddie sex for years. I speculate for the same reasons. Don't want the school to look bad & lots of wonderful money coming in related to their work. Bad rep & loss of millions vs. the truth? No contest. If you look at the "early" hockey stick graph, the medieval warm period isn't there. Then mysteriously, it appears after years of folk pointing it out. I'm not talking about a revised future based on revised theories. That's good science. I'm talking a revised past based on getting caught lying. Also, to show how warm it is, the past, inexplicably, gets colder. The "data is adjusted" to make the 1930's colder and today warmer. Look at the "world is coming to an end/hottest year on record" graphics from a decade ago, and today. The same 1930's warm period just keeps getting colder. Now, I could be wrong about Mann being a fraud. I could have misread his stolen e-mails on how to tar and feather those who disagree, and his comments on how "deniers" must be branded as Nazis. He may well be fighting a desperate battle against the evil oil companies and I'm an easily duped moron. He says so anyway. Still, when in the 1970's he wanted certain political changes to a collectivist, unelected centralized planetary government with absolute power, because we were entering an ice age, and still wants the same thing today, I conclude it's power he's interested in, not science. But I could be wrong. He, on the other hand, will assure you He can't be. | ||
| Aesquire |
http://arstechnica.com/science/2013/04/how-nasa-br ought-the-monstrous-f-1-moon-rocket-back-to-life/ http://arstechnica.com/science/2013/04/new-f-1b-ro cket-engine-upgrades-apollo-era-deisgn-with-1-8m-l bs-of-thrust/ 32 million Horsepower. The gas generator for the turbo pumps puts out 55,000 HP. | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/04/20/see-how -wringing-out-a-washcloth-in-space-looks-infinitel y-cooler-with-zero-gravity/ | ||
| Blake |
Interesting digression: How to convert from units of thrust to HP? | ||
| Blake |
Hint: m-dot | ||
| Chauly |
Thrust is pounds, what you lift is mass, work is mass x vertical distance (against gravity), and power is work per time. Now, this is net power, as when a rocket actually lifts off. The theoretical power would be the acceleration of the mass of fuel exiting the nozzle, resulting in a strain on the rocket engine stand while dissipating in the pit below. The only work done in that case is the mass transfer of the fuel, and what a waste that is... :-) | ||
| Aesquire |
http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2013/04/26/seco nd-coldest-start-to-spring-in-us-history/ The comments are interesting. The number of people who actually pay attention to the FACT that the Climate Cons folk have been lying is increasing. | ||
| Sifo |
Aesquire, From the comments on that link...
How true!!! | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.jerrypournelle.com/science/voodoo.html# 6 | ||
| Aesquire |
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/04/27/good-news-el evated-co2-may-extend-interglacial-prevent-next-ic e-age/ I've long hoped I might miss the next ice age. I've also hoped that civilization might survive the next ice age, but it never has before, and what is left will be very different than what we have now. | ||
| Chauly |
The energy production scenarios are very different this time around, so we would be able to adapt, I would think. | ||
| Sifo |
I'm not sure how well we would adapt to a full on ice age. Where I live was once DEEP under ice. Many major urban areas would be displaced. The major farm lands would be unusable for crops. Other areas may become favorable climate wise for growing crops, but it the land isn't already fertile, it would take a lot to get it usable. Thousands of years by natural means. I'm not sure how fast it could be done by dumping chemicals. Ice ages have traditionally come on quite fast too. I think there might be starvation of billions. By comparison, "global warming" is a walk in the park. | ||
| Aesquire |
..."global warming" is a walk in the park. Well, based on the last warm period 1000 years ago, yes. The Medieval Warm Period ( oddly missing from M Mann's hockey stick graph ) was a time of plenty, high crop yields, good weather, and fewer major storms. ( not counting Hurricanes, since there are no records of them from N America. ) Now, we're talking Europe & the Atlantic here, since that's where the bulk of our historical written stuff is from. The high crop yields led to a population explosion, the Renaissance, ( late in the Warm Period ) and the Viking invasions/trade routes of Europe, the settling of the N. Atlantic nations by Norse, ( displacing Celts and Angles ) the Norse trade with Russia, colonies on Greenland, Iceland and Vinland. In short. A walk in the park. Never been better, and the beginning of the recovery of Europe from the Fall of Rome. ( Western Rome ) By contemporary accounts, and best guess it was 4 deg. warmer then. By 1350 it went all to sh1t and the Colonies on Vinland and Greenland were abandoned and shortly after that the Canals in Holland froze. The Great Frost Fairs began in London, with booths on the frozen Thames. It's that "prediction" that warmer climate leads to bad storms and starvation that was MY clue that the Climate Con people were, well, cons. It's not how it's EVER happened before. In laymens terms, cold = suck hot = good Now, if the icecaps actually did melt, shorelines would flood. True. But that's not a civilization ender, it just sucks to own beach property. ( Like Al Gore ) Ice a mile deep where I am now? That may not be survivable. How will Mexico like the stampede? | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-news/snowsto rm-potential-for-omaha/11404310 Bear in mind this is just weather, not climate. Odd weather happens all the time. | ||
| Garryb |
http://news.yahoo.com/stunning-30-year-timelapse-s hows-earth-s-changing-surface-161911528.html This is climate change | ||
| Blake |
Glacial remnants from the last ice age continue to melt. Glaciers once covered much oh N. America. This is indeed the effect of changing climate. | ||
| Sifo |
Like an ice cube taken out of the freezer and place on the kitchen counter, it does take time to react to the change in climate. I'm not sure we know how long it takes for a glacier to stabilize, if it ever really does. The reality is that most glaciers haven't even been surveyed. As for the picture loop Garry posted, it's clear that the pictures were taken at various times of the year. Glaciers to ebb and flow seasonally. That picture loop is a hack job, not a scientific survey. It does an injustice to real science to even float it out there. This isn't a denial that this glacier may be in retreat. It may very well be. It's just that this is a hack job. Not all glaciers are in retreat though. This is known from scientific surveys. Here's a quick dozen examples... http://www.ihatethemedia.com/12-more-glaciers-that -havent-heard-the-news-about-global-warming Cherry picking a single example proves nothing at all, especially when you cheat on that single example. On second thought, it proves that you aren't interested in real science, but that's all. | ||
| Aesquire |
http://washingtonexaminer.com/team-obama-calls-glo bal-warming-doubters-crazy/article/2529291 Odd, I get the clear impression that it's Greed for the Oil companies money that prompts my "denial". ( not directly stated, but implied ) Pity that's not so. I'd love to have Exxon pay me vast sums of money. My denial is based on a desire to know the Truth, and an awareness that the subject has been politicized and corrupted with vast sums of Our cash. Still, I'd take Exxon's money. If you change the theory to fit the data, it's science. If you change the data to fit the theory, it's fraud. There's an unsubtle difference between the 2. | ||
| Aesquire |
What is possible, is that the 1998 Global Warming Con got the timing just right... or wrong depending on viewpoint. The planet has been generally warming since the cold times that ( very ) roughly span 1350-1800. What if the End of the Heat began just as they started to exploit it for political and money purposes? Seriously Ironic, that, if the Beginning of The Ice Age was marked By Al Gore telling us we're all going to Fry. Too early to tell yet, these things take time but I'd Put $10 on it. | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/13/us/ice-tsunamis/inde x.html?hpt=hp_t3 "Ice Tsunami" This is what may be coming to the Northern Hemisphere in your lifetimes. Ice Age means mass death, starvation, migration, and the loss of the most productive farmland on the planet. It meant the End Of Civilization, every time before. ( I wonder how the Mexican Army will react to all of us moving down there? ) | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.jerrypournelle.com/chaosmanor/?p=13988 .......The result is a lot of shouting and considerable data massaging, but not many high confidence conclusions. Of course some things remain obvious. The Earth has been both warmer and colder than the present era during historical times. We can only estimate how much warmer and colder, in part because obtaining a single figure of merit to represent the annual temperature of the entire Earth is exceedingly difficult to do, and agreeing to a definition is even more so. What we can be sure of is that during the Medieval Warm – Viking times – there were dairy farms in Greenland, grape vineyards in Scotland, longer growing seasons in Europe and in China, longer periods between the Spring Melt and the Winter Freeze of lakes, ponds, and brackish canals (many of which didn’t freeze at all), and generally indications of a noticeably warmer climate in the Northern Hemisphere; and archeologists are now discovering similar signs in South America. We can also be certain that the Earth has been colder during historical times. In December 1776 the Hudson froze with ice thick enough to allow the guns captured by Ethan Allen at Ticonderoga (“in the name of the Great Jehovah and the Continental Congress”) to be dragged across the frozen Hudson to George Washington in Haarlem Heights, and the Thames had ice thick enough to support market stalls as late as 1835. Over the 19th Century the climate continued to warm, and in 1896 Arrhenius estimated that cutting the CO2 in the atmosphere by 50% would probably produce a new Ice Age complete with kilometer thick glaciers in Scandinavia, which doubling the CO2 would warm the Earth by 5 or 6 degrees C. Computer models have made many other estimates since that time, but actual observations don’t fit the data observed much better, in part because CO2 isn’t really a primary warming gas; it’s the forcing effect (more water vapor in warmer air) that counts. No current computer model can take the input data from, say, 1900, and show climate trends matching the actual observed data of that period. ....... | ||
| Pwnzor |
I'm still waiting to hear from Geedee on the Oklahoma tornados... Is it the Bilderbergers who have their finger on the HAARP trigger?   | ||
| Aesquire |
I have no argument with the "interpretation" of the back of the dollar bill, except the "date illuminati formed" bit which is utterly bogus. ( like taking the 5th letter of every 3rd sentence..... it's a scam/fraud/fiction ) In the dark ages, the reading and copying of books was a monastic thing. The allusions at that time were biblical. A rose was red "as the blood of Christ". In Roman times, through the Eastern Empire, the allusions were to the "classics", so a rose was as red "as a wine red sea". Or some other Homeric reference. Now the Dollar sure is loaded with symbolism, much of it Masonic, but I've been assured by Masonic friends that they are just a charitable and philanthropic group that promotes Brotherhood, and the Dark Overlord stuff is just Myth. I see no reason to doubt them. ( they do claim some credit for the American Revolution, both in membership and revolutionary cell structure, but no Deep Dark Stuff, oh no. Not us. ) | ||
| Geedee |
 Hey Pwnzor. | ||
| Pwnzor |
Ahoy GeeDee! Just good natured ribbing sir. My grandfather and uncle are both 32nd degree Masons and Eagle Scouts as well. As close as we are/were, I am pretty sure I would have become aware of nefarious goings on by this late stage in life. They are simply good people. | ||
| Aesquire |
You just go right on saying that.  Yeah, money is great iconography. The detail you can work into a coin or bill is amazing. It's the modern version of Illumination. IMHO the classics seem best, modern money has too many committees, not enough artist inspiration. | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.farnovision.com/chronicles/fusion/vassi latos.html Not all is doom and gloom. While hot Fusion is in a perpetual race to be only 30 years away, and cold fusion seems to be a scam of the day proposition, the work on ion inertial/fusor variant fusion is more and more promising. Fusion has been 30 years away for most of my life, and we've yet to see break even. Except..... I'm personally half convinced that the Tokamak designs currently being pushed in the huge, ever late, and ever more expensive European ITER program are a long range con game by the Russians to point the West at a very expensive dead end. http://www.iter.org/ Part of the problem is scale. It's unlikely that a lab bench model of anything will have the power and sophistication to hold a plasma long enough to fuse enough hydrogen to make more energy than it consumes. ( break even ) The utter lack of any science education in the vast majority of politicians means that the politicians always make a lot of mouth noises about green energy and love the expensive buffets after the ribbon cutting ceremony. They don't, however, ever push for a realistic program, since a perpetually more expensive research effort fits in with their understanding of the Universe. It's how things work in their world. You see uber expensive 1/3 scale reactor models that cannot actually ever be useful. Once you figure out that a reactor has to be a certain size, building one any smaller is kinda futile. The Tokamak design uses a donut shaped eing of magnets and spins a plasma of ionized gas while heating it to toast vaporizing temperatures in the hope that the hot, rapidly moving gases will fuse. They do. But not enough. Not in a model that fits in your garage, not yet. So they build them bigger and bigger. ITER is supposed to be the first one "big enough", and I hope they are right, but I have doubts. ( Why didn't they build the second one they built back in the 1950's "big enough"??? Politicians don't think that way. Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach. Those who can't do math, bureaucrat. ) However, the old Farnsworth Fusor design has been "working", making neutrons and actually fusing deuterium, for decades. It has no hope of hitting break even, but it's simplicity and elegance make it a science fair project for a bright student..... though some have gotten in trouble for building a "nuclear reactor" in their dorm rooms.... http://www.deseretnews.com/article/510054502/Fun-w ith-fusion-Freshmans-nuclear-fusion-reactor-has-US U-physics-faculty-in-awe.html Side Note. Philo T Farnsworth may be the most ripped off guy in history. ( if you don't count Shakespeare and Bollywood ) The inventor of the scanning cathode ray tube ( TELEVISION!!!!!!!!! ) his invention was offered, free, to RCA and others during WW2, and IIRC he never got paid for it. ( The family got a $50k patoff years after his death ) The Dr. Robert Bussard's experiments for the US Navy on a reactor bases in concept, but not detail, on the Fusor seems to have reached break even on it's final test. ( which went up in smoke, as the funding had dried out and instead of a cryogenic cooled superconducting Uber magnet design, they made a fusion reactor that used speaker wire. ) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polywell The Navy, and others, are very interested in this technology. There is a high probability IMHO that this will not only work, but be classified and put into service long before they even finish the Luxury Office space for ITER. We may not know for years if we actually have Fusion and finally be spared the tyranny of Fossil fuels and Windmills, but I am betting that some Navy CPO will be running a Fusion reactor in a Destroyer to run a Rail gun in most of your lifetimes. | ||
| Aesquire |
Global stalling. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-2256 7023 Trans America solar flight. ( not 24/7 ) http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-2262 4702 |
