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     Aesquire |
President Barack Obama accused Republicans of stooping to political stunts to block gun reform, in a fervent appeal delivered close to the site of the Newtown school massacre. http://www.france24.com/en/20130409-obama-slams-re publicans-gun-reform-stunts http://news.yahoo.com/obama-newtown-families-deman ds-gun-control-vote-233418776--abc-news-politics.h tml;_ylt=A2KJ2PZw9GNR2jYAsCzQtDMD http://washingtonexaminer.com/article/2526679 I'm reminded of a cheery little tune by Lily Allen, written for the last President. Not every verse completely applies to this administration, but the sentiment is very much with us. "...... Cause we hate what you do and we hate your whole crew so please don't stay in touch....." | ||
| Rick_a |
The only stunt is the fallacy of gun control. | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.infowars.com/video-democrat-admits-obam a-agenda-is-total-gun-ban/ http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/04/senat ors-crack-impasse-on-gun-background-check/ http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/senate-aide-gu n-law-wouldnt-have-stopped-newtown-massacre_716215 .html A little obscure? Doesn't affect you? http://www.infowars.com/new-york-police-confiscati ng-firearms-from-people-takin-anti-anxiety-medicat ion/ Tresmond said the New York State Police are responsible for taking action against legal firearms owners. “Based on information the county received from the New York State Police, they’ve suspended the permits. The State Police instigates the proceedings.” Section 9.46 of the NY SAFE Act of 2013 authorizes therapists, doctors, nurses and social workers to report patients they determine may engage in conduct that may result in harm to self or others. If a determination is made that the person in question poses a threat, the provision permits the government to confiscate firearms. The provision is a direct violation of the Fourth Amendment and the legal standard of probable cause. Also a violation of the HIPPA law. In simple terms, the State Police find out you are on a long list ( which is NOT spelled out, but "defined" ) of medications, the cops will come to you and take your guns. No one has been killed, yet. The list? Not published. But. It includes such devastating mind blowing drugs as Ambien, anti smoking medication, and other sleep aids, mood enhancers, etc. How do you know you are taking a medicine that will bar you from owning a gun? I assume you'll find out when guys in masks, with guns and tear gas ( just in case ) show up at your house and don't ask nicely to search it. Then they'll steal your stuff. ( they sure as hell aren't going to give you a receipt. Or pay you for your property. ) Hope your family lives through it. http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/s chool-americans-dont-have-right-to-bear-arms.html As I have ranted, there is a full on propaganda war on your and your children. ( to be completely fair, some of the medications they are concerned about can have bad effects on judgment and mood. Ambien, for example has been know to rarely cause sleepwalking with what seems to be to others wide awake reasoning, speech, the ability to have a rational conversation, even have sex, with no recall at all after. And....... most of the Thrill-Kill-Suicides that the anti's are using to push their tyranny were on some kind of medication. So...... that's makes a great excuse to use any kind of medication, any time you ask for help for an emotional issue ( your problem, or not ) or relation to one on a medication, to deny you your rights. ) | ||
| Aesquire |
http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/7 -year-old-nabbed-on-felony-bb-gun-charges.html | ||
| Thumper1203 |
It isn't over until it's over.. GOOD GRIEF.. Gun Owners of America Sellout is worse than the Feinstein gun ban! Urgent action required. It is urgent that every gun owner call their Senators today and demand that they oppose the “See a Shrink, Lose your Guns” sell-out bill that is being authored by Senators Pat Toomey (R) and Joe Manchin (D) - but which also has Chuck Schumer’s fingerprints all over it. Call immediately at 202-224-3121. See a Shrink, Lose your Guns. The anti-gun "ranters" have spent the last week telling us that Republican Senators can’t filibuster Harry Reid’s gun control bill; that they can’t cut off debate to a bill they haven’t seen yet. “Let the bill come up,” they say. “We need to see the bill” before Senators can vote against cloture to proceed to it. Well, we’ve seen the Toomey-Manchin-Schumer sell-out, and it’s worse than the Feinstein gun ban, which will reportedly be tied to it and offered simultaneously in a Senate procedure known as an “amendment tree.” Toomey and Manchin will claim that their bill only covers “gun show sales” and Internet sales. But if you’ve ever talked about your gun and /or let it be known you’d like to sell or buy a gun on the Internet, this language covers you. If you advertise your gun in the church bulletin and the bulletin is put on the Internet, you’re covered. The only exemption is for sales that are sold exclusively by word of mouth. The increased number of background checks would likely exacerbate the system breakdowns (inherent to NICS) which have shut down gun shows over and over again. It would mean that Americans who were illegally denied firearms because their names were similar to other people's would effectively be barred from owning a gun. (We would never tolerate such delays for voting rights or other freedoms that we are guaranteed.) And for those Republicans who think they’re going to be able to offer their useless amendments, guess what? Reid is reportedly going to use a procedure to block out all amendments (called an “amendment tree”). And there are plenty of Senators standing in line to make sure that the Senate doesn’t give “unanimous consent” to let those Republicans offer their amendments. So if you live in a rural area, you’re effectively barred from selling or buying a gun - or it at least becomes very, very difficult. Incidentally, the Toomey-Manchin-Schumer “national registry” language is full of holes. There will be a national gun registry as a result of this sell-out. But that’s not the worst part. Under an amendment in the bill to HIPAA (Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act), you could have your guns taken away because your private shrink thinks you’re “dangerous” and could send your name directly to the FBI Instant Check system. Did you think it was terrible that 150,000 military veterans had been added into the NICS system because they’d seen a VA shrink about their PTSD? Well guess what? Now it’s going to happen to the rest of the population ... by the millions! And the next step, of course, will be to begin to sue psychiatrists that don’t send every single patient’s name to the Instant Check system, and to make sure that their lives are ruined if they don’t send a patient to NICS and anything goes wrong. The bottom line: “See a shrink; lose your guns.” All of this will reportedly be on an amendment tree with the Feinstein gun ban and magazine bans. Repeal of gun owner protections. In addition, Toomey no doubt unintentionally agreed to repeal one of the most important protections for gun owners that was included in the 1986 McClure-Volkmer Act - the provision that would allow you to take an unloaded, locked-up gun through states like New York without being stopped. Under a new subsection (c), the Toomey-Manchin-Schumer bill would require you to “demonstrate” to the satisfaction of New York police where you were coming from and where you are going to. And, if you don’t do that to their satisfaction, they can arrest you. Please keep in mind, nothing in this bill would have stopped Newtown dirtbag from killing his mother and taking the firearms that she owned and perpetrating the horrible crimes that he committed. Nothing is this bill would actually make children safer at schools. There is nothing that will actually keep bad guys from stealing or illegally acquiring guns, but there’s plenty that will threaten our gun rights! ACTION: Click here to contact your two senators immediately. Tell them the “see a shrink; lose your guns” sellout is even worse than the Feinstein gun ban which will reportedly be on the same amendment tree with it. Distribute this alert far and wide. Time is short, so if you call - at 202-224-3121 - you may click here to see the pre-written letter and use the contents to help direct your comments. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
HIPAA is controlled and administered and enforced by whom ?...... there is no private protection for you there. In HIPAA it says directly that records can and will be released to Police for personal or public safety, further they can be released to federal agents of law enforcement/military for elements of public safety or against elements considered national security. meh They will never be handicapped by rules they have written. and if you like the double speak of that - you will LOVE the content to the PPACA and how it gives the IRS cart blanche to your EMR/EMH and personal accounts/property/assets welcome to the show Komrade. PS - the 'prison' system is already cohabitating and cross pollinating with the 'health' system. THREE years ago the FEDERAL DSHS bought McNeal Island correctional facility from Washington State..... and promptly put in a helipad capable to host an M-60 blackhawk. Flight operations patrols have been on going for two years. from a 'health' entity. (the facility is empty except for 12 deviant sexual predators - that they are 'treating' and planning to at somepoint release back into the population ) | ||
| Blake |
All Missouri CHLs shared with Feds. Someone needs to go to prison over this. http://www.columbiatribune.com/webapp/?article_id= asset_266b644e-a235-11e2-a8e7-0019bb30f31a&article _link=/news/highway-patrol-gave-feds-missouri-weap on-permits-data/article_266b644e-a235-11e2-a8e7-00 19bb30f31a.html | ||
| Cityxslicker |
when dealing with the snake ignore the rattle cut off its head | ||
| Oldog |
This discussion is a sad commentary on the state of this nation, Many "in authority" are lost and are forcing their views on the rest of us, this is what the founders feared and why the second amendment was written. The school and public place shootings could have been prevented by an armed populace, the nameless punk that shot up the theater would have been put down shortly after his first shots if an armed citizen had been there. today I watched a BRAVE shop keeper battle a clumsy armed bandit the perpetrator, fired 10 shots, the shop keeper held him off with a BASE BALL BAT, one bandit got away. this could have ended tragicaly with the death of an honest merchant. WHY was the shop keeper not armed with a gun? WHY do the elected SERVANTS of this country believe that a disarmed populace is a safe one? | ||
| Sifo |
WHY? Because people are STUPID! | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/posted-full-te xt-public-safety-and-second-amendment-rights-prote ction-act_716249.html Golly gee. Legaleese is so freaking boring. It helps if you treat it like a programming language. One written by real evil guys. Who didn't WANT it to be understood. With back doors. New York. The Imperial State. Where the SAFE act is passed without reading. Or public comment or publication of content. To prevent a run on Guns. Report from the Empire. http://buffalo.ynn.com/content/all_news/655349/amh erst-man-has-firearms-taken-away-under-safe-act/ http://buffalo.ynn.com/content/all_news/655499/jud ge-orders-guns-returned-to-amherst-man-mistakenly- identified-as-violating-the-safe-act/ | ||
| Rick_a |
...and the above is the road they want the rest of the country to travel... | ||
| Thumper1203 |
Looks like we need to start voting "smart" come election time.. take special note of the republican sell-out list! wtf.. (the bribes must have been too hard to resist) Gun Owners of America The Battle Will Take Longer than We’d Hoped But there’s still a very good chance we can win! “Gun Owners of America [has] been pressing lawmakers who may have wavered on this emotional issue of background checks.” - CNN’s Wolf Blitzer, April 10, 2013 We've been fighting these gun control battles for almost 40 years now. And we almost always win. But it's almost always a nail-biter. And so it is on Obama's gun control agenda. We'd hoped that we could stop the gun control bribe-o-thon early (and risk-free) by blocking the motion to proceed to the package. But thanks to sell-outs like Pennsylvania's one-term senator, Pat Toomey, we're going to have to take a different battle position and defeat the package at a later stage. The Senate today overcame the Paul-Cruz-Lee filibuster and voted to move to proceed to Harry Reid’s gun control bill (S. 649). Where Reid needed 60 votes, the tally was 68-31. Click here http://www.gunowners.org/turncoats.htm to see if your Senator sold you out by voting to “move to proceed” to the bill. Republican defectors who voted anti-gun were: Alexander (TN), Ayotte (NH), Burr (NC), Chambliss (GA), Collins (ME), Corker (TN), Coburn (OK), Flake (AZ), Isakson (GA), McCain (AZ), Heller (NV), Hoeven (ND), Kirk (IL), Graham (SC), Toomey (PA) and Wicker (MS). So, here's where we are. Right after the Senate proceeded to the gun control bill, Harry Reid used his privileged recognition to put a bunch of amendments in place. In Senate parlance, they are referred to as an "amendment tree;" and they contain the universal registry bill, the Feinstein gun ban, and the magazine ban. These will be voted on in upcoming days. As for the Toomey-Manchin-Schumer universal registry bill, don't believe the press' efforts to sugar-coat it. If you have ever had an "Internet ... posting" on (or related to) your gun, you can sell it only by going to a dealer and filling out a 4473 and getting the government's approval. Only a cave man would be exempt. And once you have a 4473? Well, the ATF is going from dealer to dealer, copying the information on these forms, and feeding it into a database. But, says Toomey, he's against universal registries. This is where it would have helped if Toomey had consulted someone who knew something about guns. Registration and violation of privacy. First of all, Toomey’s anti-registry language prohibits photocopying the 4473's, but it doesn't prohibit going into the FFL with a laptop and copying all the information. Second, ATF takes the position that the data it's accumulating in a database is not a "registry," so Toomey's ban does no good. Third, guess what the sanction is for violation of Toomey's anti-registry language? Answer: Eric Holder has to choose to prosecute himself and his own department. But this isn't the only bad thing about Toomey-Manchin-Schumer. Section 107 of the sell-out also waives any federal privacy prohibitions under HIPAA to sending the names of Americans with PTSD, ADHD, and post partem depression to the gun ban database. But that’s not all. Believe in Jesus, hand in your guns? Because private shrinks will be able to add patients names into a federal database of the mentally ill - without due process - you will be at their mercy. As Red State editor, Erick Erickson says, “Activist mental health providers will probably be overly aggressive in adding people to the list. Give it five years in liberal areas and people who believe in the physical resurrection of Christ will probably get automatic entry onto the list.” And as for veterans? Toomey-Manchin-Schumer reinforces the proposition that bureaucrats in the Department of Veterans Affairs can take away veterans' rights without any due process. If a veteran has $30,000 to spend getting back the rights Toomey-Manchin-Schumer wrongly took from him, the sell-out creates yet another redundant money-trap for restoration of rights that shouldn't have been taken away in the first place. Repealing gun owner protections. What if you want to travel across the country? McClure-Volkmer allowed you to do that with an unloaded gun in the trunk (18 U.S.C. 926A). But, under the Toomey-Manchin-Schumer sell-out, unless you can "demonstrate," to the satisfaction of the New York police (1) where you came from, (2) where you're going, (3) that you're legally entitled to possess the gun in the place you can from, and (4) that you're legally entitled to possess the gun in the place you're going, they will arrest you in New York. The Toomey-Manchin-Schumer sell-out creates a Biden-like commission to insure that the cries for gun control continue. Like sprinkles on a pile of dung, Toomey and Schumer steal some of the proposals we drafted and try to use them to get us to buy onto gun control. But it won't work. The gun movement is united against this disgusting pile of gun control. Here is the new battlefield. Because of the Senate rules, many of the upcoming gun control votes will need 60 (out of 100 votes) to move forward. That will almost certainly be the case with the Toomey-Manchin-Schumer proposal. And because the entire Second amendment movement - GOA, NRA, etc. - is against the Toomey language, it virtually ensures his amendment will fail. And if Toomey-Manchin-Schumer doesn't pass, then Reid probably won’t have enough votes to overcome a second filibuster on the bill - as it would contain the original anti-gun language sponsored by Reid and Schumer. This all but guarantees that the legislation would die, as Republicans and a half-a-dozen Democrat Senators would then team up to keep the bill from getting the required 60 votes. One last question or thought: Did we waste our time supporting the Paul-Cruz-Lee filibuster and fighting the motion to proceed? No, because we forced Obama to fire most of his ammunition, as he dragged his human props around Washington in an effort to exploit them for political gain. If Obama had been able to wait to play this card until Toomey-Manchin-Schumer came up for a vote, that vote would be a lot harder for us to win. But Obama has already played this card for his "they deserve a vote" theme. Okay, they're getting their vote. But by the time we reach the vote on cloture on Toomey-Manchin-Schumer, Obama's exploitation of the victims of Newtown will begin to be realized for the cynical exploitative political ploy that it is. And he will be less able to shift gears and use the victims for the theme “They deserve a ‘yes’ vote.” ACTION: Click here http://www.capwiz.com/gunowners/issues/alert/?alertid=62586391 to contact your Senators. Tell them to vote against cloture on the Toomey-Manchin-Schumer sell-out. (Message edited by thumper1203 on April 12, 2013) | ||
| Blake |
http://www.capwiz.com/gunowners/issues/alert/?aler tid=62586391 | ||
| Oldog |
Not guns but why we have the second amendment http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/04/11/irs-tel ls-agents-it-can-snoop-on-emails-without-warrant-i nternal-documents-show/?test=latestnews | ||
| Thumper1203 |
Obama's exploitation of the victims of Newtown will begin to be realized for the cynical exploitative political ploy that it is. "Hegelian dialectic"? Some interesting factoids.. here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPKxI4xkfl4 fwiw. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
Hegelian Dialectic is at work of many things the O does. If you recognize it - you can smell the lie before he speaks it. Thesis + AntiThesis = Synthesis But the O is a Leninist, and as such you have to add the component of conflict to incite the argument between 'opposites' Thesis / AntiThesis x Conflict = Synthesis which is how he thinks it works.... but he is a failure even at Leninism the true equation is Thesis / AntiThesis x Conflict *(fx$) = Stasis as a derivative of N+1 meaning - he will incite conflict between polar opposites on issues of social fervor to create controversy aided and led by agenda money from his supporters to which will lead to another instance of a launch platform to ratchet up the rhetoric again ad nauseau with no solution to the real issues of economy, national security, resources or industry - leading to a further strangle hold of personal liberties to continue to enforce his Cult of Personality. Lenin 101 the fun begins when he discovers ... that he may think he is trodding in Lenin's steps... but his personal behavior shows he is more in line with Czar Nicholas and that did not end well..... look for that rendition - then we are off to our Stalin 2.o yippee f'n yahoo. | ||
| Oldog |
I hope that this over blown STUPIDITY is stopped dead in its tracks The toughest part of the new statute -- banning in-state sales of those guns newly classified as "assault weapons" -- immediately took effect Jan. 15. The new classification related to a single military-style feature, such as a pistol grip on semi-automatic rifles with detachable magazines. Other listed features include a folding or thumbhole stock, bayonet mount, flash suppressor, or second protruding grip held by the non-trigger hand. This can be twisted, To cover any fore end The ninnys will be the death of this country http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/04/15/nra-vow s-fight-as-key-measures-new-york-tough-new-gun-law -take-effect/}} | ||
| Cowboy |
Higher tax less freedom===motto of a democrat. | ||
| Nukeblue |
stay away from remington! freedom group for that matter.. http://freedomoutpost.com/2013/04/remington-sells- out-to-ny-for-80-million-sniper-rifles-government- contract/ | ||
| Buelltoys |
Just got back from the Machine Gun Shoot at Knob Creek. Was a great time. Only place in the US anymore that you get a prayer and the National Anthem every morning. Was a great feeling. The gun community seems to be the only people who want to carry on what our founding fathers intended. | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/04/marylands_s econd_amendment_nightmare_coming_soon_to_a_state_n ear_you.html http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/04/gun_control _derangement_syndrome.html | ||
| Hootowl |
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/345762/don%E 2%80%99t-let-logic-ruin-good-law Emotional vomit does not a debate make. | ||
| Nukeblue |
we must call and thank our senators!! http://freedomoutpost.com/2013/04/manchin-toomey-s uffers-a-delicious-defeat/ | ||
| Sifo |
I would like to see how my senators voted first. Even our republican senator, Mark Kirk, was planning to support this bill. Still glad to see it go down in flames though! | ||
| Sifo |
Just verifies Mark POS Kirk voted for this flaming turd.  | ||
| Thumper1203 |
Thankfully, it is done and over(for now).. what a great day for America and the preservation of our personal liberties! NOW, with all that time and effort wasted, I think our representitives should work double-time on more important issues such as getting spending under control, percolating the economy and immigration reform! (Message edited by thumper1203 on April 17, 2013) | ||
| Aesquire |
I listened to the Prez's speech after the vote. http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/345878/obama- lashes-out-gun-lobby-wake-senate-vote First, he had a shill from Newtown come and give an impassioned speech. Well written, if a bit repetitive. Kind of curious how much he's been paid. He was at least honest enough to admit earlier that the Bill that didn't pass would not have done a thing to save his kid. Barack was somewhat less truthful. Then Obama gave a speech that repeated the term 90% over, and over, and over. He obviously believes that 78% of the people can be fooled by made up statistics 84% of the time. Based on what he has voted, and said to crowds of leftist constitution haters, He lied. Based on his level of "truthiness" on Socialized medicine, he lied. It's not over. Both the poor shill and the President made it clear they will not rest until they have made America "safer" and Different. Since "Hope & Change" several years ago has meant record numbers unemployed, record numbers on food stamps, and record numbers on government assistance, with little Hope of Change, I can safely assume the "different" and "safe" will be worse than ever before. This is not over. They will not be happy until you are disarmed. They also will lie about it. Always. http://dailycaller.com/2013/04/16/actor-blames-bos ton-attack-on-gun-culture-2nd-amendment-must-go/ http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2013/04/17/ reid_mocks_gun_rights_gun_control_more_important_t han_preventing_imagined_tyranny.html http://politicker.com/2013/04/bloomberg-decries-de ath-of-background-check-bill-in-senate/ http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/04/17/ny-conn-gov s-urge-passage-of-federal-background-check-measure -as-defeat-seems-likely/ http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/345876/feinst ein-show-some-guts http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/biden-wipes-aw ay-tears-rose-garden-gun-remarks_717990.html It's a full on effort. This is not ever going to be over. Tyrants hate citizens. They Need peasants. | ||
| Fb1 |
This is not over. ^^^Truth. We won a battle today; the war wages on. I will celebrate for a quiet moment then hunker down for the next battle, for it surely comes. This is not over... | ||
| Nukeblue |
well i just ordered 10 30-rounders from bcm to celebrate!!  |
