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Bob_thompson
Posted on Tuesday, February 19, 2013 - 10:57 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Blake, "I think I'll just hide 'em."

You mean you haven't been! I leave a few in the accessible safe for "inquiring visitors", at least one real handy for unwanted visitors and no one will ever find my SHTF others when the need arises. 'Nuf said. Mine have been out of touch since the Brady bill and 1968.
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Ducbsa
Posted on Tuesday, February 19, 2013 - 11:57 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The Minnesota legislature gun grabbers have seen the light - giving up in banning scary looking guns and average size magazines:
http://www.startribune.com/politics/statelocal/191 761671.html?refer=y
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Cityxslicker
Posted on Tuesday, February 19, 2013 - 12:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I will put all my EAG's in the safe - these idiots couldn't tell them apart
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Rick_a
Posted on Tuesday, February 19, 2013 - 08:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The bad part is that the quest for "Universal Backround Checks" still has a lot of momentum and some public support despite the absurdity of the very concept, and the implications for the future.
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Seanp
Posted on Tuesday, February 19, 2013 - 11:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Tasks for this weekend:

1) Buy a double-barreled shotgun.
2) Build a balcony.
3) Rest easy, knowing my wife is safe when I am away.

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Blake
Posted on Wednesday, February 20, 2013 - 05:58 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Interesting dichotomy.


Dichotomy

.380 vs 30 round .45 ACP magazine
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Rick_a
Posted on Wednesday, February 20, 2013 - 08:47 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I don't know about those. This one doesn't look like it's for hunting. It can accept a forward grip which makes it especially dangerous.


I think this is what our founding fathers had in mind:
How could they possibly envision the "killing power" of modern firearms?
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Rick_a
Posted on Wednesday, February 20, 2013 - 08:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

In all seriousness, use the best tool for the job. Nobody should be telling me what that is.
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Hootowl
Posted on Wednesday, February 20, 2013 - 09:52 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/02/20/missour i-house-bill-would-make-proposing-gun-control-ille gal/

Why aren't legislators punished for attempting to subvert our constitutional rights? This should be the law of the land.
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Sifo
Posted on Wednesday, February 20, 2013 - 10:18 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

So we have Biden telling us to take a double barrel shot gun and blow both rounds off as warning shots leaving yourself unarmed, and a school in Colorado telling us to simply pee in our pants. It's hard to decide which is worse advise. It is scary to consider that one is involved in our nations security and the other is involved in educating our children. I can't help but think we are scrooooowed!
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Sifo
Posted on Wednesday, February 20, 2013 - 10:47 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

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Ducbsa
Posted on Wednesday, February 20, 2013 - 12:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Sorry for the copy/paste, but ---
“Participating in a gun buyback because you believe that the criminals have too many guns is like having yourself castrated because you believe that the neighbors have too many kids.”
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Mnrider
Posted on Wednesday, February 20, 2013 - 04:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The big O came to MN to talk guns and all the dems where star struck and thought they could pass something here.
Glad clearer heads prevailed.
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Kenm123t
Posted on Wednesday, February 20, 2013 - 05:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Note the treasonous keep a list when shtf so they can be rounded up and signed up for Hillsdale College Constitution Course 101
Learn it Live it Love It
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Hybridmomentspass
Posted on Wednesday, February 20, 2013 - 06:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

http://news.yahoo.com/virginia-beach-pizza-shop-ow ner-shows-support-gun-115221684.html

we need more like this
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Aesquire
Posted on Wednesday, February 20, 2013 - 08:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

How could they possibly envision the "killing power" of modern firearms?

I assure you that the 2/3 inch diameter pieces of metal that the Founding Fathers used does just as good a job as the 1/4 inch ones our fathers and we use. A century after the country was founded we had machine guns. Now we have laser guided drone missiles, and cyber attacks.

The guns the people had in 1776 were exactly the same as military weapons. Kilt ya ded.

Ditto, 1946. 1955. 1973. etc.

Other than the material the handle is made out of no major change in firearms has taken place in a century. We's been responsible enough to have the same weapons at home as at war for over 200 years.

Yes, we require a permit to have a machine gun. Seems reasonable to me. I'd say you should have to have a permit for a bazooka, rpg, or guided missile, too. I would never ban these things, that's silly. The existing system for keeping dangerous to the crowd weapons in check works fine. AFAIK no one's been killed by a licensed weapon in that category.

This Gun Grab has nothing to do with facts or reason.

Where, how, and what the handles are made of on a gun are cosmetic and arbitrary. Having a forward vertical grip, a thumbhole stock, or a pistol grip have nothing to do with the lethality of the weapon.

In freaking fact, NONE of this has anything to do with how dead you get when shot with one.

This one doesn't look like it's for hunting.

1. what does Hunting have to do with anything?
2. That's freaking perfect for Turkey.



BTW, that top pic of a double shotgun with the light? Optimum for home defense or hunting. Remove the light as needed for hunting laws, or use an IR filter for hog where night hunting is legal. The red dot is SOP on turkey and deer guns.

Now, me, I'm a wimp. Give me a gas operated semi to soak up the recoil of a heavy-shot turkey load fired from sitting against a tree.
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Blake
Posted on Thursday, February 21, 2013 - 03:18 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

http://youtu.be/cP-XnBdkJH8



Good collection of reasonable arguments and information.
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Cityxslicker
Posted on Thursday, February 21, 2013 - 03:59 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Make no mistake
'They' view 'you' as the enemy. They are training for it.
http://tinyurl.com/a7g9nrv

your paranoia is at 3; it should be racking off the rev limiter at 12 or 13
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Ducbsa
Posted on Thursday, February 21, 2013 - 06:36 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Aesquire, Rick was tongue-in-cheek, see his following post.
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Ducbsa
Posted on Thursday, February 21, 2013 - 03:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Good video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_T-F_zfoDqI&feature =youtu.be
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86129squids
Posted on Thursday, February 21, 2013 - 04:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

OK, not to veer OT or anything, but- can SOMEONE ask Froggy or Blake to "amend" the title to this thread?!?!?

It's missspellledd.

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Hootowl
Posted on Thursday, February 21, 2013 - 04:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Sure. Right after they change the title of the "what are you listening too" thread.
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Sifo
Posted on Thursday, February 21, 2013 - 05:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ducbsa's video above is worth imbedding...



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Aesquire
Posted on Thursday, February 21, 2013 - 06:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

( I guessed he was yanking chains... I lit up! )

Serious about the turkey hunting use for that shotgun though. Right after I posted that, I got my e-mail from Macks Prairie Wings. Bird hunter company, lots of great stuff, like giant goose decoy/blinds you hide in while they decide to land in range or not.

The E-mail was the "turkey hunting specials" and the red dot sight in the ad was the exact model in the picture above.
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Fb1
Posted on Thursday, February 21, 2013 - 07:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ducbsa's video above is worth imbedding...

Sifo, I was just logging on to post-up this vid. Muchas gracias to you and Ducbsa for watching our six.

My God, what I wouldn't give to have a man (or woman) of Bill Whittle's courage, conviction, patriotism and sense of duty and honor at the helm of our great nation, a la George Washington, or Ronald Reagan, or Allen West, someone who actually MEANT it when they placed their hand on the Holy Bible and swore an oath to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.

In the meantime...



http://youtu.be/wkUj0aGUBeo

FB
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Thumper1203
Posted on Thursday, February 21, 2013 - 07:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Bill Whittle.. standing ovation!.. bravo, BRAVO!
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Sifo
Posted on Thursday, February 21, 2013 - 07:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Looks like even in the liberal land of magic unicorns and fairy dust they are seeing reality. At least some police are...

Bay Area Law Enforcement Encourages Fighting Back Against Active Shooters
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Rick_a
Posted on Friday, February 22, 2013 - 09:35 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I've actually used this shotgun for sporting clays and hunting (pest control, actually).


It's been replaced by this one which is shorter and semi-automatic with the same capacity.

Probably not everyone's 1st choice of configurations for an all-around shotgun but they work for me.
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Aesquire
Posted on Friday, February 22, 2013 - 10:28 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Both good choices.

I've used the Knox recoil reducing stock on a Remington 870, and it cuts 12 ga. buck recoil down to 20 ga. levels, with some notable cheek slap. It needed the side mount ammo you've got to be complete. Also, a quirk of the Knox stock is the fore end/light on the pump gun above would slap your hand as the gun recoils over a 1/4 inch. No big deal with a normal fore end, but painful with others. It's an imperfect, but clever way to reduce recoil. Not pretty, mind you. But works.

The Semi below is nigh perfect. How do you like the stock? The 2 fiber optic "beads"? Would you prefer a ghost ring rear sight?

( All personal preference items.)

The long argument over semi vs. pump is obsolete IMHO. The odds on a Winchester/Browning or Remington semi malfing is about the same as you, the operator, short stroking and jamming a pump. Some would complain that most semi's can't use a pistol grip in a cruiser config, and that's true, but since I can't hit the narrow side of a barn with a cruiser, I don't care.

Speaking of shotguns....



First, you ignorant grinning fool.

Shotguns are NOT easier to shoot and the AR kicks a lot less. A slightly built man or woman is far better off with an AR at all ranges. Also some people are recoil sensitive because of medication, injury or handicap, and a 12 ga double is a very poor choice for them. ( if you are on Plavix & Coumadin, it's likely you would bleed all over the place if you shot a 12 ga. double with a metal or wood butt. )

Second, it's common for home invasions to have 4 or more intruders. Your poor wife with her empty 2 shot weapon is in dire trouble. Does she need 30 rounds? I dunno, how good a shot is she? how many bad guys are there? Where are the machine gun and sniper rifles equipped Secret Service folk looking after her?

THEY have 30 round magazines to protect your sorry grinning lying ass. What do THEY know you don't and lie about?

Third, and most important. You, the Vice President of the United States, actually advocate firing a gun blindly into the void to scare people?

That's in violation of so many safety rules and laws that you should be sued out of office & home, and into the ghetto where the criminals, I must point out, have no intention of obeying the gun grab.

In fact they are all for it. makes them more powerful.
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Cityxslicker
Posted on Friday, February 22, 2013 - 02:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I like the shot gun, but it is not the only fire arm solution to pare down to,
really there should be at minimal 3 guns you have
Long Rifle
Shot gun
and a personal pack pistol
rotate them out as your situation changes
rotate them out as you change your tastes
rotate them out just for damn fun

'Shall not be infringed'
damnit
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