| Author | Message | ||
     Loki |
Legal Notice: Sumomoto has applied patents for 12 items' looking and/or function to protect its innovation. Make sure, your suppliers are not offending Chinese law, we will contact your local law court if you have infringed our property right. | ||
| F22raptor |
Chinese Law????  | ||
| Danger_dave |
Lucky they didn't copyright irony. | ||
| Loki |
DD, my thought also. | ||
| Alfau |
Your culture can learn from China. Buy now pay later can bight you can't it. War on a credit card. Who is the stupid one? | ||
| F22raptor |
I can't argue with that, Alfau. I do not support this president or the war(s) The Chinese work ethic should be admired but their blatant theft of Americas engineering and technology is nothing to be proud of. Our economy is still bigger then China's, but not for long. A war would kill all of China's customers, so they will just buy us out slowly. | ||
| Alfau |
blatant theft of Americas engineerin The gun was invented in China, Patent rights ? | ||
| Alfau |
I do not support this president Poor bastard inherited the stupidity. We can only pray he can salvage the mess. | ||
| Alfau |
A war would kill all of China's customers. ? YOU are stupid! | ||
| Pwnzor |
Not surprising from a guy who has "If first you don't succeed ,Cheat." as his philosophy in a public profile. Poor bastard inherited the stupidity. Still blaming Bush? Who is the stupid one? | ||
| Loki |
Alf, Funny thing is the original post was meant in ironic humor. I was looking for something on the web. Something to purchase. Found a what I was looking for, from K-Edge. Went to Ebay, came across the Chinese knock-off. With this statement "On the surface,there is LOGO "SUMOMOTO ". Went to their website and found the original posts statement. Pretty profound, wouldn't you say. | ||
| Blake |
I enjoyed the incredible irony Bryan. Alfau, >>> The gun was invented in China, Patent rights ? Gun powder was invented in China. Regardless, educate yourself on patent law. Ignorance can be embarrassing. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
The chinese don't care about patent law. Ask Soviet Russia - they are STILL pissed about the unlicensed copying and mass production of the AK-47 variants.... of course this comes from a nation that ripped a BMW side hack, cloned it, and produced it for 70 years when looking in the magic mirror; remember whose fun house you are standing in. | ||
| Alfau |
Ignorance can be embarrassing. What did they call GUN powder before they invented the Gun? Another gun question. What lesson did Jesus teach his weapon toting apostles? (Message edited by alfau on January 08, 2013) | ||
| Hootowl |
Don't know. They didn't call it gun powder though. Gun powder was invented before the gun. The gun is an application for gun powder that came later on. Substitute 'gun powder' with 'stuff that burns and smokes a lot', and the preceding will make sense. | ||
| Sifo |
They probably called it fireworks explosives. Then again, they probably have different words for that. | ||
| Loki |
remember the Soviets reverse engineered the B29 and screwed it up. Heck, they reverse engineered a lot of stuff. | ||
| J2blue |
Before that strange stuff was called gun powder it was called "Fire Medicine". Just a quick google on that one. Actually it was called "火药/火藥", but I digress. I'm not so sure the "gun" was a European invention after reading that wiki article. Hmm? fun. | ||
| F22raptor |
I got a book with all the Chinese planes (prop and jet) Not to mention the F-117 ans F-22. that they copied from the Soviets that copied from us! you talk about shit rolling downhill! Just imagine a Harbor-Freight Air-force! Tolerances...We don't need no stinking tolerances! | ||
| F22raptor |
B.T.W I invented China.. | ||
| Aesquire |
http://translate.google.com/#en/zh-TW/gunpowder Blake is correct, Gunpowder long precedes the gun. Various Alchemists had terms for it before Roger Bacon, who witnessed, and analyzed Chinese firecrackers. His references to ThunderFlash powder were in Latin, as a Franciscan and learned man of the time use. The ThunderFlash term is used in multiple English writings up though the age of gunnery, and "gunpowder" as a term was in use only after cannon, & hand cannons were in widespread use. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Bacon#Gunpowder Related to the passage of time, and change of nomenclature, "gunpowder" is today almost universally referred to as "Black Powder", and the French Innovation of "Smokeless Powder" is now referred to as "gunpowder". "Black Powder" is a mixture of Saltpetre, Sulfur, and Charcoal. While variations on proportion, and methods of mixing ( dry, corned, etc ) greatly affect how well, clean and violently it burns, the formula is just those three items. Modern substitutes for Black Powder ( Called, oddly enough "Black Powder Substitutes" ) are designed not specifically to create clouds of smoke, ( they do ) but to have similar burning characteristics so to be safe in antique fire arms and antique designs. There is considerable variation in chemistry. One formula makes dense white clouds that taste of cookies. Modern Gunpowder, "smokeless powder" is also made in a wide range of formulations, with grains of different shapes and sizes, different, or no coatings on the grains, with or without NitroGlycerin, etc. back in the day, it was easy, there were 3 or 4 common grinds of Gunpowder, ( including stuff for cannons ) and the "normal" load was pretty well known, extensive reloading manuals had not been invented. Modern propellants require much more care and scholarship, due to the different burn rates and sensitivities. Generally speaking, ( exceptions, always exceptions ) it is unsafe, possibly to the point of suicide, to use modern smokeless gunpowder in an antique Black powder design. ( you can, maybe, get away with reasonable charges in a Ruger Old Army Revolver, or a Thompson Center Hawken, maybe, but a CVA "kentucky rifle" replica or anything actually old, has an excellent chance of looking much worse than Elmer Fudd's gun, after, and hurling jagged bits of hot steel into you head, chest, arms, neck, neighbor, etc........ ) | ||
| Aesquire |
To be fair to the Ruskies, they did an amazing job on the Tu-4. Yes, a direct copy with hard reverse engineering of the B-29. The B-29 was seriously bleeding edge tech in it's day. The Wright engines had so many bugs, and were made so badly, that MOST of the B-29's that crashed in WW2 were engine related, and not enemy action. The airframe itself was pretty well sorted out, by the time production got going, but change orders came so fast and often to correct other equipment issues, they actually built the planes and flew them to Kansas ( "The Battle Of Kansas". No kidding ) to get fixed before sending them on to active and training units. If we had problems, Imagine how hard it would be to COPY the most sophisticated plane on the planet, without blueprints. Consider that the Carb alone was the most sophisticated in the world, and it takes more than a chemistry set to make hyperalloy forged turbine blades from scratch, and the Russians did a great job copying the B-29. The Bastards. ( Crews interned and in some cases "disappeared". This pattern continued through the Vietnam war where EW officers were taken away and Never admitted to exist as prisoners. ) BTW, Both the Russians, and the Chinese, ( who have recently received a multi trillion $ tech and industrial bootstrap, from US ) are testing, building and in the Russian's case, SELLING Stealth fighters that work far better than we like, and far better than any Stealth Fighter WE have in serial production. Which , come to think of it, is none. ( not counting a handful of f-35's prototypes which may be far less capable as fighter planes than the latest Russian gear. The F-22 Raptor is out of production, and I doubt will ever be again. ) Now, Chinese Patent law? I have no clue. I assume they cheat. | ||
| F22raptor |
This is that last version of the "Red" B-29. Great range but is i a joke, as the prop-tips go supersonic and make ALOT of noise. Our subs can track these all over the world as they can pick them up om sonar. sad part is the B-29s the ruskis stole made a routine fuel landing at a soviet base in China after the war, and the stole it..  | ||
| Aesquire |
F22, If we were talking pre-Nixon China, I'd agree. I trained under one of the guys that did to China what Demming did to Japan, and we taught them how to make stuff pretty good. A gizmo made for an American Company often has pretty decent quality control, ( Harbor Freight? not so much ) while a domestic customer gets less, but we can assume that Aerospace parts ordered by the Government, with the willingness to shoot corrupt inspectors & shop managers, don't suck that bad. Honestly, their planes fly just fine. Refinements in fuel economy and finish work don't match a brand new American Fighter, but there is no such thing. We aren't making them today. We don't have anti-carrier ballistic missile systems, THEY do! ( sure we sold them the tech to make them, but they makes them, we don't ) So it's unfair to dis the heartless evil mass murdering pathological lying copiers of the works of their betters the way we sometime do. After all, the Workers Paradise is willing to work to death, starve or outright slaughter as many peasants as it takes to out produce us. With our money. | ||
| F22raptor |
The B-29 main weakness was the connecting rods, they figured it out, but the war had ended. my Dad flew on a B-29 and his Dad was a H-bomb engineer. He was on one of the observation ships when they blew up that Pacific atoll. The B-29 was the most expensive weapon program of WW-2. Fist pressurized plane also, you just didn't want to be in that transfer tube if one end of the plane depressurized...Splat! | ||
| F22raptor |
Clinton gave them the ballistic-trajectory data that took us 30yrs and billions to acquire. I heard he got a good hummer out of that one! ( Me so horny...Love you long-time0 | ||
| Aesquire |
The Bear is not just a B-29 copy. We NEVER made turboprop engines that ballsy, and never made counter rotating propellers that worked worth a darn. ( The Brits did, but not so much the U.S. ) Noisy? sure, also the fastest multi engine prop plane for decades. Tremendous range, impressive load capacity, balls of steel to fly them. Hell of a plane. ( obsolete as all hell too, but still in service. ) You are right about the Russians stealing the B-29's. It's quite a story. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-4 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/1 319691/How-Russians-copied-captured-B-29.html | ||
| F22raptor |
The bear has turbo props, thanks for enlightening me, I just thought they had 20 row 5 cylinder mini-radials..If you read my post properly..It was the LAST evolution of the B-29...You do not want to go toe to toe with me on aircraft, past, current or future. I know you mean well, though. F-35 canceled too? | ||
| Aesquire |
The Big Wright engine's problems were not just the rods. Early engines made in NY had badly drilled holes for the propeller reduction gears and often failed in hours. ( Crappy tooling on gang drills ) The Original designer had been taken off the project, and the result was they cheaped out in every possible way on the design. ( in nearly every case, going back to the original plans fixed the issues ) They overheated and caught on fire. A lot. The gunners main job in a B-29 was to watch the engines and tell the pilot when they caught on fire, or if the oil leaks got really bad. How many airplanes can you think of that had a full time fire watch? Curtis was a bean counter company that had got rich on the designs of guys they later fired. ( like the P-36/P-40 designer Donovan Berlin, who left in disgust when the Management insisted in making the P-40 longer to correct a buffeting problem caused by an over sized air intake in the nose. He knew it, he told them, they blew him off... he left. ) Curtis Wright was, by then a hidebound company with serious management OCD. All decisions had to go though headquarters in NYC, and almost all the smart people were gone. A company where the bean counters took over, and didn't give a darn about fixing problems as long as they got more contracts. Overextended, growing too fast, greedy as hell. There Were Mountains of dead Wright engines on Guam, Tinian, etc. at the end of the war. Curtis Wright killed more B-29 crew than the Japanese. | ||
| Aesquire |
Ok, I'll buy the Bear as the last evolution of the tu-4. After all, most modern airliners are evolutions of the 707. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuznetsov_NK-12 Never forget the Mig-15 was equipped with Rolls-Royce knockoffs the Russians didn't pay for. The F-35 program is going in fits and starts. The first "deliveries" are out there, but it's not a real production item yet, and a lot of the customers are getting antsy, and in todays economy, going broke. I know the Aussies and Brits really would like to start getting them into service... as they have retired a bunch of older iron (F-111, Harriers, etc. ) At this point it would have been cheaper to just make the number of F-22's originally planned, it's a much better fighter. As a ground attack machine, the F-35 is supposed to be better, and a dual role fighter is the rule today. My worry is we will have a non-stealth force in a stealth world while the Russians & Chinese sell stealth fighters to the rest of the planet. The F-15 is a great plane, but it's a 1975 plane and is considered a baby harp seal by Raptor pilots. We can assume the Migs that face it next year will think the same. and we have less than 200 Raptors, and they keep getting grounded. Go toe to toe? Nah. Fellow aviation buff? Enjoy. Back to dissing the mass murdering copycat Chinese! ( who are building Stealth Fighters and have Ballistic missiles we gave them the tech for..... ) |
