| Author | Message | ||
     Kyrocket |
"But really it's only keeping the honest honest right?" I think that can be said for about every law out there. I've never heard of this guy until now and while I'm NOT a View watcher I was flipping the channel and luckily ran across this guy handing these feminist bozo's their butts. You could see BW's blood pressure going up as she was trying to butt in and he wouldn't have it. I hope this is the one I saw, the computer I'm on now doesn't have sound but it looks the same. He hits the nail on the head. And as far as the gun control committee; I think it's a feel good band aid until another talking point shows itself. | ||
| Ducbsa |
Aesquire, the BAR is an exception to what you said above about .30-06 on full auto. | ||
| Sifo |
Cyclonedon, it's a shame you have given up on the Constitution. It was carefully considered by a large group of very wise men who understood the world and it's history. BTW, they actually read it BEFORE the passed it. Our current leaders don't seem quite as wise. Nobody wants to see the kind of bloodshed we just saw last Friday. If you think that's bad, just wait till civil war breaks out. Does anyone doubt that people are stocking up for this event as fast as they possibly can? Maybe you are not, but plenty of folks are. I can guaran-frickin-tee you that they aren't spending all this money so that the government can ask them to turn in what they just purchased. We are currently heading for a blood bath. I'm not wishing for it. I'm not cheering for it. I don't want it. I am not closing my eyes to where we are heading though. | ||
| Oldog |
Until the 2nd amendment is struck down by a 2/3 vote they can kiss my ASS The can have my Guns when they pry them from my cold dead hand, } | ||
| Psykick_machanik |
Some of you scare the crap out of me with your comments of "I wouldnt mind a little more gun control". You have no idea how destructive that attitude is and its THAT attitude that will get another nail in the coffin of our rights. The politicians are COUNTING on weak minded people to justify a seemingly "sensible" or "just a little more" gun control. Barack Hussein Obama gun control is like a ratchet strap, just one more click to tighten things up, then just one more, then just one more, then just one more, untill the second amendment is choked to death. NOTHING about the Ban is sensible, just look at how ineffectual it was last time. 10 years of Clintons ban and not a blip of added safety on the charts. look at the crime stats and their was no change due to the ban. Its all just knee jerk, reactionary, emotional, and vote driven BULLSHIT! BAN BABY CRIBS, THEY KILL BABIES. JUST THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!! | ||
| Ulyranger |
The interesting side effect to all this outcry for outright bans on certain firearms is the HUGE increase in private ownership of said firearms. I challenge someone to find an AR15-type firearm on the shelf/rack after the holiday..... Or a magazine. Or a stripped lower receiver. Sales are off the hook. NICS traffic is insane, FFLs are waiting hours for response. If the antis were really serious, no I guess effective would be a better word, about the accomplishment of their agenda they would NOT create the huge media blitz that merely forces all the inventory out in the wilds..... Some are increasing/supplementing private stock, others are speculating on future profits, either way the sell out is in full swing........the bird has long flown the coup and has no intention of ever returning.... I'm going to be real interested in knowing what the hard numbers of firearm sales are at the following points; 1. run up to election day 2012 2. post election week 3. immediately after the incident 4. post Newtown Memorial speech I'm quite sure some "hoarding prevention" retention of inventory is going on at some level, so some will be available in the new year....at a huge mark up. Can you say $2K low end M4? | ||
| Oldog |
I'm in strong support of more gun control. What happen last Friday got to me. I never want to see that happen again. I understand, and partially agree the horrific murder of innocents is to be prevented but think for a minute ask 2 questions How and Why, How? Free access to the school no one confronted the perpetrator who could stop him. Sadly the resistors were as brave as any hero BUT they were UN-armed and UN-prepared. The same is true in all such shootings up to the point that an armed response force shows up. At which point the perpetrator usually commits suicide. The schools, theaters, and other places are "SOFT TARGETS" The perpetrator is not expecting resistance, Therefor they are more willing to carry out the attack. WHY? typically mental illness, Emotional problems and the like. we can try to screen for these, but at times even healthy folks have issues .... So please explain how disarming the populace makes this stop? Chicago, Illinois has some of the most restrictive gun laws in the country. Recently horrific stories came from there of intercity gun violence. How well did the gun laws work there ? Our founding fathers wrote the second amendment using the clear and UN-equivocal statement "The right of the citizens to bear arms shall not be infringed" gun regulations and bans do what? Again how well do the gun laws work in Chicago, Aurora, Columbine ? As I stated elsewhere to prevent school shootings or at least minimize the likely hood A. control access to schools one point in and out B. provide ARMED and ARMORED responders on the site C. make it known UN-equivocally that the responders are under orders to defend the school D. Permit concealed carry into all public places/events that do not serve alcohol,but make the requirements for CCW permits significant.. E. Require / Allow private establishments that serve alcohol or that do not allow guns to have Armed and Armored responders, An armed guard at the theater in Aurora would have possibly taken out the shooter F. understand that there are places where you must weigh the risk and decide if you want to be present as a shooter may be present. Understand that the public MUST NOT be disarmed and current rules have already exceeded the constitutional boundaries set forth by our founding fathers TRUTH is NEVER Irrelevant LIES as told by some of Our elected servants are at the least Despicable. The path we choose forward should be carefully considered. An emotional poorly considered response to recent events can have dire future consequences. In order to disrupt a country you must Wreck the currency, there by destroying the economy disarm the populace prevent them from resisting an occupier / tyrant If you study history you will see that this has happened a number of times in recorded history Disarm the populace and pay a terrible price... we must decide. (Message edited by oldog on December 20, 2012) | ||
| Macbuell |
Those who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety Benjamin Franklin | ||
| Ulyranger |
Good post Oldog. My only critique would be this point; "D. Permit concealed carry into all public places/events that do not serve alcohol,but make the requirements for CCW permits significant.." The criteria for the CCW should not be whether or not the establishment sells/serves alcohol, but whether the CCW holder remains clear, sober and reasonable in their actions. In other words if I CCW while out with my family at dinner in a restaurant that also happens to have a bar, I should not be violating anything. Including the conditions of my permit. In NY, while not the poster child for CCW, we have no such restriction. But if I consume anything to the point of impairment (any intoxicant) then all bets are off and likely there is no defense, especially Civil to any of my actions. This fear that bars will return to Hollywood's vision of the Wild West needs to be eliminated. Simple conditions of a CCW permit that requires sobriety to exercise, much like a driver's license, I could definitely get behind. | ||
| Oldog |
Thanks Ranger, While the "Special Kinda Stupid" art and comments are amusing, it will not solve any thing, I can agree with the sober comment. it is worth trying. I fear that most folks who are in favor of strict gun control or total confiscation are likely to be rather closed minded, I have read some comments on MSNBC relative to this topic their disconnect from history or reality it is sobering and quite disturbing..... We should try to resolve these issues calmly and politely, as owners and enthusiasts. | ||
| Sifo |
I have read some comments on MSNBC relative to this topic their disconnect from history or reality it is sobering and quite disturbing..... Amen to that! I'm also continually amazed at how flexible they are with the rule of law that is supposed to govern us. I agree that even the rights spelled out explicitly may not be 100% absolute, but there are very real reasons why in the second amendment, they specifically said "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed". I have no idea whatsoever how someone reads that and thinks gun bans are constitutional. | ||
| Kyrocket |
By a show of internet hands, who here, in this conversation, have gone out and purchased anything gun related? I bought a couple of boxes of .380 before the Friday tragedy and I'll probably buy a couple more this weekend (if I can find them)but not because of this. I've not bought anything; gun or otherwise, because of the tragedy. I'm fairly local to Buds Gun Store and I hear things are flying out of there. | ||
| Daves |
I haven't I have no guns I ride no wheelies | ||
| Malott442 |
I haven't but need ammo just because. I'm not in a frenzy. I dream of riding wheelies for a living. I do it for free whenever I can afford it (wheelies!!!)  | ||
| Ninefortheroad |
Sure did! Not a lot of $'s, but a few key items. | ||
| Sifo |
I've bought various reloading supplies as needed for my normal shooting. The AR purchase was pushed by what's going on right now. Not the shooting per se, but the response that is going on. I have had the AR itch for quite a while and started doing some looking a while ago. I wasn't in a hurry, but I was getting ready to buy in January. This just pushed it up a couple of weeks for me. Having been in a number of shops in recent weeks and seeing what they carried, then seeing it all evaporate off the shelves, there's no doubt that lots of people have SUDDENLY made the decision to purchase. | ||
| Aesquire |
Dubsca, true the Browning Automatic Rifle is an exception. It's a clip fed machine gun, weighs about 20 pounds. ( the lightweight Colt Monitor FBI version is about 13. Per Wiki, the lightest automatic rifle to fire the 30-06. } It's also not something that caught on outside the US. For non gun geeks, see the great Movie, "The Sand Pebbles" where Steve McQueen uses a BAR in a couple of scenes. Per my Fathers OLD Bluejacket's Manual, you'd have 1 BAR per squad, the rest rifleman. Today, it's the Light squad machine gun. the M249. ( back in Korea Naval Corpsman were assigned to the Marines. Dad still jokes that he got ripped off on the 2$. Marines who shot Expert got $2 a month more pay. Dad, who shot Expert, did not. Carried a M3 for a while then a Browning A5 with Navy riot loads. 3 12ga. balls. As he puts it, The N Koreans didn't sign the Geneva convention. Didn't admit it existed. Corpsman were prime targets just behind officers. Geeks, what would we do without them? ( oh yeah, write on papyrus. ) haven''t made a purchase related to guns not related to Christmas presents. I have a habit of buying guns on sale, and gifting them. My buddy "Bob" wants to go hunt Deer with my Brother in Law, and has no shotgun? I had a Mossburg combo in the box that was too cheap to pass up. The Federal paperwork on my purchases list far more than I have. OTOH, that old Winchester '94 I took in trade from a buddy who was in a pinch, probably Never got registered anywhere. It's lots older than I am. Also, in farm country, gun shops are like pawn shops. Life gets tight, you sell that Winchester. You get ahead, you go see if it's sold... if so, you get that Marlin your neighbor sold when life got tight for him. I've known guys that bought their old gun back 5-6 years later. | ||
| Fast1075 |
A friend just opened a sport center. Store , indoor firearm range and archery range, weapons, archery supplies,etc. You can't find a parking spot anywhere near the place. I bought a year's membership and had to wait an hour for a lane to sight in my new tack driver. | ||
| Blake |
I was starting to look at what kind of AR I might want. Still plan on getting one, but not until the frenzy subsides and prices return to normal. I did score some PMAGS that were on special. | ||
| Ulyranger |
100 pk of Pmags just went over $7k on gun broker......that's like 600% of retail........crazy times | ||
| Just_ziptab |
.223 ammo went crazy too....I should have bought 500 rounds a couple weeks ago when I was looking online. Neart a buck a round now......./ | ||
| Kyrocket |
"Neart a buck a round now......./" See, that's what frazzles me. Everyone buying up the ammo to hide while us plinkers start to have to pay more. Right now I've only got .380, .40 and 7.62X54 to buy the first two are fairly easy to buy it's that last one that I can only find in one store 35 miles from me. The last time I bought them in bulk (440 rds) it cost me something like .18 a round. If I buy them 20 at a time it's something like .25, which still isn't bad but it's looking like that may go up too. I'll check prices this evening when I'm there (going to register for a free pistol giveaway) and report back. | ||
| Cyclonedon |
I haven't purchased any shotgun shells in years and it's too dam cold out to be doing any wheelies! | ||
| Jayvee |
Bought some more magazines, MAIL ORDER. I only had 2 (10-round, politically correct, California-approved) and I don't want to be stuck with that number when California bans new magazine purchases. It looks like they will pass a $50 per year license to buy ammunition, and no more mail order. We already have almost every law proposed recently. Worst in the country, except maybe for MA. Still have multiple homicide incidents though, imagine that... | ||
| Macbuell |
Bought some PMAGS, 9mm Ammo and .223 Ammo. I think I'm set for a while now except for 9mm range ammo but I can get that pretty easily at Wally World, usually. | ||
| Bking |
9/11 has had a lot to do with changing this countries direction on personal liberties. Patriot Act, Homeland Security, TSA, the list goes on and on, I'm sure there's crap we don't even know about. There has to be a way to protect the homeland without trampling on our constitutional rights. Amendment 2 forever, but I wouldn't like a society like in the old west, with everybody packing. I don't think our current society & populous can handle that. Have an argument in Walmart? Draw MF! | ||
| Psykick_machanik |
What people dont realize is that guns and ammo wont be GONE, and our guns wont be confiscated by the Jack booted thugs. We will still be able to go out and buy what ever our hearts desire. The change will come with imports and manufacturing. If they readopt Clintons ban all it changed is how the guns look. No flash suppressor, no bayonet lug, no collapsable stock. As with the last ban the smart guys bought up all available stock, waited till the frenzy peaked and sold off their stockpile and at the least tripled their money$$$. I think its great that people have mobilized to make purchases they have been hesitant to make. Its the Irational fear that i dont like seeing, at least i hope its irrational. | ||
| Just_ziptab |
Just looking online and .223 for the most part(where I looked)was "sold out". "In stock" was high end hunting and match grade. No real deals on gunbrokers either.Wonder how long this craze will last? It seems the local stores just got a good stock finally built up a few months ago.... after the last craze that seemed to start in 2008. | ||
| Sifo |
at least i hope its irrational. Me too. The problem I see is that the anti-gun people are so irrational/uneducated about guns, you just don't know what they will ban. I have my doubts that they know what they are banning. I hear them talk about banning all semi-automatic guns. Hopefully they will ban looks more than functionality again. You know hi-cap magazines are on the chopping block. I'm honestly not even that concerned about that, but it would be nice to have a few around. I did see this... Firearms Supplier Sells More Than Three Years Worth Of Magazines In Just Three Days  | ||
| Just_ziptab |
"IF" all guns were outright banned...what would happen to the hundreds of thousands of dollars (maybe millions of dollars)worth of guns in a single inventory.........such as Cabellas gun room? Or private collectors? Family heirlooms? You know there would be no compensation or any options other than comply or go to jail..... It can't happen here(?) |
