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     D_adams |
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| Drkside79 |
18 kids dead 8 adults. I hope this piece of filth rots in the flames of hell. | ||
| Davegess |
I saw that, very, very awful. Why does a person do this? Not that any of us could answer that; not sure anyone can. No sane reason for it. | ||
| Sifo |
This is very hard to see this. I do wonder about the security they had. I know I've walked right into a number of schools (it's part of my job) and have never been questioned. Even when they have locked doors, they have buzzed me right in, THEN asked what I wanted. I do hope there's a special place in hell for this sick bastard. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Guns will be blamed. Wonder how this would have turned out had the teachers not voluntarily disarmed themselves. Crazy/evil people will do crazy/evil things. The task is not to prevent people from being crazy/evil. The task is in preparing for the inevitability of crazy/evil people and taking personal measures to stop them before damage is done. | ||
| Boltrider |
A person that does something like this hates humanity, himself included. What a miserable POS he must have been. | ||
| Macbuell |
My anger right now is off the ••••••• charts. If you want to off yourself, go the •••• ahead. But attacking innocent kids. What the ••••••••••••••• | ||
| Buellinachinashop |
Reports are saying one of the victims was his mother. | ||
| 86129squids |
Couldn't get through the link to the news- kinda glad, as I'm in a good mood, going to my new job, one of the best I've scored so far. Prayers up, gonna do my best on my own path to raise up the good and defeat the bad... evil, to eradicate and cleanse, then make way for new growth. My sis, being a chaplain, is my spiritual touchstone and mentor- gonna have a talk with her soon. God bless and guide us all. | ||
| Cowboy |
Damn it I have wanted our teachers trained in the use of fire arms and arned at all times when will we ever learn. | ||
| Buelltoys |
And one dead at his house and have his brother for questioning as he was found at the school also. It does take an evil person to kill innocent kids who have a life ahead of them. I am with Mac if you want to kill yourself I would not care but no reason for you to do it to others. But may they all rest in peace and my prayers are going out to their families. The innocent are in a better place now. | ||
| Xdigitalx |
So it WAS the older brother caught in the woods at the scene? If so,.. then went and killed their parents one by one... but why would they go to her job after the fact and do what they did? For kicks? Crazy kids. The older Ryan kid had some GTA videos on his facebook the younger one didn't have a FB that I could find. Horrible day. I can not imagine the pain of those parents and families are going through. Cowboy,...I think things like this would be less likely to happen if everyone was trained at a young age. Too easy for evil to win in these situations. Why not make it more difficult for them?? It would be a good deterrent imho. | ||
| Ratbuell |
My heart and prayers go out to the families of the victims...and even moreso to the survivors. Those poor innocent children are scarred for life - for no good reason at all. The worst part is, people will be screaming "gun control!!" after this...when that is the LAST thing we need. Criminals do things like this. Mentally ill do things like this. Criminals and mentally ill people...could give two shits if guns are "legal" - they're gonna get one, one way or the other. It's like saying "drugs are illegal in Baltimore...so that means there are no drugs in downtown Baltimore. Right?" Riiiight. We need more responsible adults, carrying weapons in everyday life. That way, the teachers and aides and principal would have been able to fight back...if the coward had even decided to strike, not knowing if every third person in that school might be armed and ready to fight back. If we can't respect each other as human beings...we may as well respect the fact that "the other guy" might be strapped. Keep this crap from happening in the first place. My deepest sympathies go out to all those who were involved. I can't imagine the anguish...and I hope I never have to find out. Godspeed, to all those little ones we lost. | ||
| Hdxbones |
15 miles. My house to the scene of the tragedy. I took yesterday off from work to ride my bike. Went past the school on my way back home. Sandy Hook is the last place in the world where you would think something like this could happen. So senseless, so many victims, so many families left to try pick up the pieces. So many children that survived, yet had their innocence violently stolen today. And the shooter got the easy way out..... | ||
| Davegess |
Come on guys, do you really think that the average joe could have taken this guy out with a handgun? How close does a person with minimal shooting skill, in a chaotic situation, nervous a hell, have to get to do a head shot and not hit someone else? I used to be a pretty good shot with a rifle but I doubt I could hit someone in the head with a pistol from 30 feet in a situation like this. Plus your first shot is to the body, the guy doesn't go down so now he is shooting directly at you. Arming teachers is not the solution. | ||
| Darth_villar |
Have you been shot or shot at Dave? I can guarantee you that no two people react the same way. A moments hesitation after the initial shot could be all that is necessary to finish the job. The point being, a mediocre shot is far better than no one shooting back at all. Of course, that is my opinion. | ||
| Cyclonedon |
What happen today proves is that we need more guns. Parents don't let your kids go to school without a gun! | ||
| Xdigitalx |
YES. Any average joe could have taken him out or at least may have prevented some of the casualties. IMHO. | ||
| Slaughter |
What we need is to control the press. Where do you think these nutjobs get these school shooting ideas in the first place? | ||
| Sifo |
Come on guys, do you really think that the average joe could have taken this guy out with a handgun? Armed guy against average armed Joe, or armed guy against average unarmed Joe? I'm going to have to go with the average armed Joe as having the best chance of survival. | ||
| Slaughter |
I know that we're armchair quarterbacking There is an old expression about parachutes and guns. If you need one and don't have it, odds are you'll never need one again. | ||
| Kenm123t |
Dave a chance at it is better than not having a chance. may be you cant but a 5ft lady leo that had never fired a gun in anger stopped Hassan from killing more. Its a proven fact the more folks that are armed the less crime you have. Evil is loose in the world so be prepared to deal with it. Dave if you choose not to prepare ok but the rest of us will You can be sheep like or a sheep dog your choice. But if you choose to be a lamb to the slaughter fine but do not curse the sheep dogs. | ||
| Ulyranger |
The statistics on active shooter incidents clearly demonstrate to go in and go in hard. The events are short in duration and the shooters are generally cowards and give up when confronted or run out of motivation. I think even an unarmed group of adults rushing him during a reload is far better than waiting. As far as the sniper head shot needed, please demonstrate how that is necessary here. It is NOT fact that any body armor was in play, a "tactical" vest is merely ballistic nylon with a bunch of molle connections for pouches and whatnot. Heck it could have been an Orvis fly fishing vest for all we know. The only major shooting incident i recall where body armor was utilized was the South Hollywood bank robbery gone bad. They obviously had motivation to survive the incident and get away with the loot. Back to the stats, these shooters are cowards and generally have no plan to survive the event, may in fact want to end it all within the event. Unfortunately we as a society have been trained, educated to submit and survive violent encounters. On the whole not necessarily wrong, we're a civil society after all. But sometimes in rare, perverse events such as these we really need some individuals to mentally "select" the fight instead of flight instinct and take the F'er out. Thoughts and prayers to all the families that lost loved ones down there in CT. | ||
| Sifo |
I used to be a pretty good shot with a rifle but I doubt I could hit someone in the head with a pistol from 30 feet in a situation like this. The argument about a head shot at 30 feet is completely irreverent anyway. You would be lucky to be 30 feet away. Why a head shot? Did the report he was wearing body armor? They said this about the theater shooting in CO and the mall shooting in WA. Both turned out to be false. It will almost certainly be shown not to be the case in this shooting too. The shooter didn't even own his own guns, I doubt he owned body armor. A body shot at 20 feet? Totally doable without having to take time to get a good sight picture. But not if you don't have a gun. | ||
| Ratbuell |
My statement wasn't so much directed to the 'kill the bastard' angle...but to the deterrent effect. If you're one of these cowards...do you think you'd be as willing to go into a building full of...say...75 adults, if you knew that at least 25 of them (and you didn't know which ones) would be armed? How about if 50 of them could be armed? Or all 75? Stay home, shoot yourself like the coward you are, and spare innocent lives. I sympathize with people who are in despair. I've been there, and looked long and hard at my .38 as a way out. But...I got help. And, I NEVER dreamed of taking another person with me when I went, not even the one who put me in that place to begin with. Once a human crosses that line, and decides to take innocents with them...my sympathy is out the window. If something happens like that, around me, I only hope I'm armed. Kill shot or no, a round or two to the chest would at least distract the gunman and maybe even save an innocent life or two. If it draws their focus to me...so be it, if a five year old survives because of my efforts. From 30 feet in a room full of under-ten-year-olds? Aim high, draw attention, and save children's lives. Oh. Wait. They weren't allowed to do that because of anti-gun laws. That shooter sure as hell had guns, though. | ||
| Thumper74 |
Prayers go out to everyone involved. I was sickened by all the posts on the articles calling for a repeal of the second amendment. If he was 20 and from New Jersey... He was not in legal possession of the handguns and if he was from New Jersey, I don't believe he would be allowed to purchase/own an M4 carbine. My inner conspiracy theorist wonders of the seemingly increase in gun violence are brainwashed individuals to give the Feds the push and support they need to do a gun grab. Remember that the UK and Australian gun grabs were right after mass shootings. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
The sad thing is that there were 1000 kids aborted today and no one even knew about it. What's another couple dozen human beings? It's a culture that doesn't value life. THAT is the issue not guns. | ||
| Sifo |
I read that he took the guns from his mother's house. I have to admit that the M4 sounds odd. Then again I know a very nice lady with a son in his twenties that recently bought her first AR-15. I also read that the surviving brother said the shooting brother was autistic. I'm not sure how that would play into all of this. No doubt details will trickle out for a long time to come. | ||
| Rick_a |
When incidents like this happen, the answer or response is always to disarm everyone. I think some staff members should be allowed to be armed. | ||
| Ratbuell |
I think all staff members should be allowed to be armed. And of ALL those who are allowed...SOME would choose to carry. |
