| Author | Message | ||
     Blake |
Innes, Liberty can be inconvenient. It's worth it. Texas was once its own Republic. If need be for the sake of liberty, Texans would get it done. Why would free trade even be an issue? Succession does not imply that Texas would declare war or be any kind of enemy towards the Federal Govt, it would simply mean that Texas would no longer be subject to rule by the United States Federal Govt, like every other ally. With a stable free market economy like Texas', unshackled from the dollar, you'd have to beat the investors off with sticks. | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
I agree Blake, it can work, if the will is there to make it work. What I'm trying to point out, in my usual obtuse way, is that no matter that Texas was once it's own republic, things have changed a bit since & that it's a vastly complicated issue. If you'd like to take a look at Poland as another example. An independent state overrun by the Nazis & then the Russians, now a successful independent nation again. What's one of the first things they do? Join the EU. This has opened huge markets for them, & also has destroyed industries in other countries as well. Many firms have gone East for the cheap labour & many Easteners have gone West for the jobs. The knock on effect of this is that many companies in Poland are now hiring from Ukraine & Russia for economic reasons. It's all beyond my scope, I'm keeping my head above water & planning to keep on doing so whatever happens. | ||
| Davegess |
And their is no legal mechanism allowing it to happen. The question was asked and answered a few decades ago by several hundred thousand dead folks. Thinking you can do it is pretty much a waste of time and effort. | ||
| Sifo |
I think more accurately... There is no legal mechanism prohibiting it from happening. The fact that a war was fought has zero bearing on the legality of secession. Under our legal system, what is not prohibited, is allowed. At least, that's how it's supposed to work. | ||
| Hootowl |
Secession is disallowed specifically. Supreme court ruling. It is a one-way trip that can not be dissolved. The only way for a state to secede is through revolution and rebellion, and that, my friends, is exceedingly unlikely to happen unless things get a whole lot worse. A WHOLE lot worse. I know some here think things will get that bad. I am not among them. | ||
| Davegess |
Hoot, I agree, it is a waste of time to talk about. Get to work and figure out how to win the next election. Ya might start but getting the really extreme right wings guys to start there own splinter party and get our of your hair  | ||
| Hootowl |
If the dems put up Biden for Pres in the next election, the repubs could put up a weaker candidate than they put up the last two times and still win. If Biden has a shred of honor left in him (which is doubtful, given his actions during the debate) he'll decline the perfunctory nomination by his party and let a stronger candidate run. He's a bully though, so I doubt he will have the integrity to do so. I predict a repub will win the presidency in 2016, hopefully a good strong conservative like Bobby Jindal. | ||
| Sifo |
http://history.stackexchange.com/questions/2056/wa s-the-secession-of-the-confederate-states-illegal
Is consent of the states not what is being talked about when you have a resolution that is asking for peaceful secession. Seems legal enough to me.  | ||
| Drkside79 |
U should all move to the same town. It will save tax payers a lot of money when we had to round u all up and deposit you elsewhere. Yes I'm kidding but if any of you really believe that peaceful secession is allowed you should reread your history books. | ||
| Sifo |
Sure rely on your history books, don't pay any attention to what the Supreme Court had to say on the matter. | ||
| Drkside79 |
Well unless the rest of us say ok which we won't it's unconstitutional so make a decision. Stay or leave. | ||
| Cowboy |
If I am deported I want to go to china or india the food is great and they will have all the jobs. he he | ||
| Buellinmke |
Reductio ad Hitlerum - ad hominem, fallacy. Your reasoning is flawed. Actually, Hitler would probably be beaming with pride at you considering you both hate homosexuals so very much. Why don't you all just put your money where your mouth is and go Galt? Only this time, please just stay in your gulch and never come back. You can do it. Please do it. Please? Just leave. | ||
| Britchri10 |
Careful in the South of India there, Cowboy. All those Tamils are vegetarian! Chris C | ||
| Garryb |
http://swampland.time.com/2011/08/17/rick-perry-ag gressively-pursued-federal-aid-he-now-decries/ http://www.politifact.com/texas/article/2011/sep/0 6/checking-texas-wildfire-claims/ And more for the drought... | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
"Actually, Hitler would probably be beaming with pride at you considering you both hate homosexuals so very much. " ZING! | ||
| Hootowl |
Not so much. Misstating someone's position and then hammering them for it is hardly reason for applause. | ||
| Union_man |
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| Blake |
I hate bigotry and dishonesty, not homos. I've never even suggested they leave the country. The hate is ALL from one miserable bigoted fascist point of view Joe, yours. Thank you Jeff. Gotta wonder at the inane cheerleading of such dishonesty. The civil war began with shots fired by rebels against union troops. There was no attempt at peaceful succession. | ||
| Glitch |
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| Blake |
We now see a federal govt tyrannically forcing a long established Christian religion to violate their core understanding of G_d's will, yet people--they even call themselves "Americans"-- ignore, excuse, and even re-elect the tyrant responsible for such an outrage. Then when we object to the blatant violation of our unalienable rights, we are dismissed, told to leave the country, that our time is past. Others burry their head pretending no such issues really exist. I'm not sure which group should be held in greater contempt. When the federal govt of America fails to defend our unalienable rights and instead concocts new "rights" out of thin air, "rights" that blatantly violate our clearly enumerated unalienable rights, failing justice, then what is there for honorable G_d-fearing men other than secession or revolution? Let's hope and pray that justice prevails. "To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical." Why not true today? | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
that picture makes me laugh hard | ||
| Blake |
Dave Nice to see you still here. What do you think about this scenario: Should my wife and I be free to refuse medical insurance in favor of investing our money into our new business? Or should we be forced by the federal govt to purchase medical insurance and forfeit investing our own money into our business to give it the best chance for success? Which is on the side of freedom and which is tyranny? Why was our federal govt constituted? | ||
| Blake |
http://www.infowars.com/ron-paul-the-founders-beli eved-in-secession/ | ||
| Smokescreen |
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of tyrants and patriots I don't see you shedding any blood Blake. I on the other hand have been wounded and lost fellow Marines. Just more internet banter. Congratulations, you have exactly what you asked for. Enjoy. | ||
| Drkside79 |
Fine lets just say you decide to secede do you truly believe that US would let Texas go? Texans sure! We will let every one of you scurry off to Mexico if you so choose but the land stays. You would have more US troops sent than you could ever want. Oh and after we invaded your itty bitty country it would be held by force under Marshal law. Which would totally ruin your HS football games.  | ||
| Davegess |
Blake as long as you keep insulting my gay friends I will not enage with you. | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
I'm confused here, folk are arguing bitterly about whether or not it can happen & if it did who'd be deported & so on, but we all seem to agree that it's extremely unlikely to happen in the forseeable future. Why so het up about what's effectively a hypothetical question? Come on chill out dudes, only reason I'm not out riding is that we've been socked in with thick fog for 2 days, weatherman says sun tomorrow, but he said that yesterday & the day before too. | ||
| Sifo |
Grumpy, I think we all agree that this is unlikely to happen by legal means. I think there is disagreement as to whether when push comes to shove that it will turn into a civil war. You ignore those who say they are willing to go to war with you at your own peril. | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
I'm not on the spot so it's hard to gauge the mood. |
