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Natexlh1000
Posted on Sunday, November 11, 2012 - 08:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Oh and one more funny thing: It had a warning sticker under the laser sight.
I had to remove that!
"Don't look into laser with remaining good eye."
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Aesquire
Posted on Sunday, November 11, 2012 - 09:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Gregtonn, "natural" one time meant girls that didn't shave the underarms.

Applied to the items at Gander Mountain.... Tactical pretty much means "black". There are tactical bottle openers, Tactical letter openers, ( I had one, a gift ) and Tactical cell phone pouches.

Yes, yes, the word has an actual, real meaning. Marketing, however, doesn't use a real meaning unless they are forced to. ( "Organic", today really means the salad is far more likely to kill you from E-coli than the evil non-organic stuff. It's scientific meaning is that Carbon Chemistry is involves, which is pretty much all the life forms on the planet including poisonous insects and Botulism )


Just like "Assault rifle" has an actual, real meaning. ( I even know the supposed originator of the term, A. Hitler, meant it as a propaganda/moral booster. )

The Clinton/Brady center to exploit a crippled guy ban capitalized on the deliberately scary name. In fact, if you read the manual Gun Control Inc. used to put out, the use of scary names is the basis for getting all guns banned. ( Handgun Control was a previous name of the organization before an idiot tried to murder a President so a teen queen actress would notice him. In the final irony, she's gay. )

If it's black, it's an assault weapon. ( done, and used near daily by the ignorant media. )
Plans are...

If it's a shotgun, a saw can make it a sawed off shotgun, and THAT has "no legitimate sporting purpose". ( just as "no one hunts with" an AK/.50BMG/SKS/anything all fraking all. )

Propaganda is great, eh?

If it's got a scope, it's a "sniper rifle". ( that one's on hold since US snipers are hero's in the ongoing War. )

If it's a .22, it's the chosen weapon of assassins, hence an "assassination weapon".

It's all in the manual. Borrowing heavily from Alinsky, give an object or class of objects a scary name, demonize that name, ban it, move on to the next. Some may recognize the tactic as the basis for the Obama campaign as well.

RE: PVC pipe. You can get screw on end caps, that work ok with some teflon tape, but for a real seal, PVC glue ( use both parts of the 2 part system ) is stone reliable, although you do have to either saw off an end or simple break the container. Scraps of pipe in the appropriate diameter can often be had cheap at the big box stores.

This is, of course only to make sure the contents are safe in case of flooding, or storm damage, no one is likely to bury such a thing under a metal object to foil legit law enforcement metal detectors. ( or Zombie forces )


Storm proofed items should be properly oiled, and packed with moisture absorbers. Also padded to prevent rattle and damage, ( food supplies, toilet paper, good folding knife, a sterno stove... Windbreaker, spare socks..... Round tube, irregular object. There's room, use it. )
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Aesquire
Posted on Sunday, November 11, 2012 - 09:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Big fan of lasers as a hopeful stopper to a bad situation. Certainly not a magic wand, but if it can make someone rethink his actions so no one gets hurt, great!

As a training device for trigger control and hand steadiness... priceless!

I'm assuming you know the 3 or 4 fire arm safety rules. Dry firing practice need a few more.

1. the beginning and end of practice must be distinct and certain. people have done stupid damage to their stuff by loading a gun after dry fire practice and taking "one more try".

2. No real ammo in room. Period. Only snap caps.

3. pick wall with target ( anything from zombie poster to bit of tape ) that does NOT have humans on the other side. For example the wall of the den that has the kids room on the other side is a poor choice.

4. when finished with practice of any kind of dry firing, remove snap caps, put away weapon, and note the end of practice to yourself in a positive way. Make it a conscious process if reloading gun to be aware it is now not safe to point at anything you don't want destroyed.

5. if you use a big screen tv for practice, violate the above rules and shoot it, send me a picture so I can mock you properly.

If you shoot a loved one because you violated the above rules, a sense of humor isn't the issue. It's a preventable tragedy.
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Sifo
Posted on Sunday, November 11, 2012 - 09:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yep, I was thinking permanently sealed with desiccant. From there I've got 140 acres to hide it in. It would take some pretty ambitious agents to ever find it(them). I would never trust a screw cap for something of such importance. Nice tip!
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Aesquire
Posted on Sunday, November 11, 2012 - 11:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

There is a great book, "how to hide almost anything" by David Krotz. Google that title at Amazon and there are more "how to hide" books. Bet there's a whole wing of the Interweb devoted to it..... let's see....... "how to hide your guns"......

http://www.itstactical.com/warcom/firearms/40-unique-places-to-stash-firearms/

Hah! Thought so. There is a magazine for every hobby on the planet.... and every microslice of obsession is on the web....

RE: Stocks. There are a jillion available. I like things about a lot of them. Storage for batteries or even spare mags, a simple foam tube on the recoil spring housing, different cheek surfaces...


Turnbull TAR10


http://www.turnbullmfg.com/store.asp?pid=36767

I live down the road from these guys....

Not long ago, it was accepted that refinishing an old gun greatly diminished it's value. The hand polish work, heat treatments, the very colors of the steel just couldn't be restored to original.

After years of hard work, Doug Turnbull worked out the exact heat treatment methods the different companies used over the centuries, and can now reproduce the proper blues and reds of a Fox shotgun, or a Winchester 1886. They do real nice work, and a Turnbull restoration absolutely adds to the value of an antique arm.

Check out the gallery...
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Nukeblue
Posted on Sunday, November 11, 2012 - 11:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

puke!
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Cityxslicker
Posted on Monday, November 12, 2012 - 01:09 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I like the wood, it is enough just to make an idiot gun hater think it is a 'hunting' rifle rather than an assualt weapon.

somewhere there is a pink Hello Kitty AR too.... a nice tongue in cheek f-u to the libtards that rant about guns they never fire.
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Aesquire
Posted on Monday, November 12, 2012 - 08:18 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Good walnut, heat treated steel receiver... A bling gun, yes, but solid and accurate. Certainly not a gold plated glock on the puke-o-meter. Not I admit, anything I'm likely to buy, since basic black is fine with me.

If you have stupid money, you can get a Titanium AR, and many have color coated their guns with various Urban Camo colors.

Mayor "Transfats" Bloomberg had a spaz attack when Dura Coat came out with NYC Borough colors... I suppose as a Richie Rich with a heavily armed personal bodyguard, ( then he bought the job of mayor ) he dislikes the peasants being armed. Understandable.

http://www.houtsenterprises.net/dur_bloomberg.html

I don't mind color, taste is taste, and what I find ugly, you might love. The Turnbull TAR is a bit flashy for my taste, but if you gave me one I certainly wouldn't paint it. ( sell it, maybe, times can be tough )

Perhaps you miss the irony and joke of making a Modern Sporting Rifle in the colors and finishes of the great 19th Century Arms? ( and, making it precise, accurate, and useful. )

Also, there's camo, in many variations, and just plain colors, because why not? Patterns & camo to blend it, stand out, or even mock the anti-freedom culture.

http://www.houtsenterprises.net/dur_diamond_plate. html

http://www.guncoat.com/gallery/index.php/Twinstrip e-DPMS-308

http://www.guncoat.com/gallery/index.php/God-Save- The-Queen---Iain-Harrison

http://www.guncoat.com/gallery/index.php/Purple-Di gital-Ruger-LCP/GCNWLadyDigitalLCP2

Taste is taste.
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Natexlh1000
Posted on Monday, November 12, 2012 - 08:35 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I really like that white duracoat.
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Buellinachinashop
Posted on Monday, November 12, 2012 - 09:41 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"Applied to the items at Gander Mountain.... Tactical pretty much means "black". There are tactical bottle openers, Tactical letter openers, ( I had one, a gift ) and Tactical cell phone pouches."

I've always looked at tactical stuff as MIL-Spec or Mil-Copy.

By the way, I just got a "tactical" ball point pen from SureFire. It does have a window punch on it.
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Sifo
Posted on Monday, November 12, 2012 - 10:29 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I keep thinking duracoat might be a great DIY replacement for powder coating misc. motorcycle parts. Anyone have much experience with it? I'm wondering if it's close to powder coat as far as durability. Sorry for the motorcycle content.

A tactical pen is great for self defense anywhere "real" weapons would be frowned upon. I view "tactical" as anything that works well for defense for any situation you may find yourself in. I'm not sure I have a need to defend myself from bottle caps though.
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Macbuell
Posted on Monday, November 12, 2012 - 12:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have an M&P15 Sport. Love it. Have had no problems with it at all. I live in North Georgia so I don't need the dust cover. The forward assist could come in handy but have not needed it yet with about 2000 rounds through the rifle. And, even if you needed the forward assist, you can work around it if you don't have it. It takes longer but it isn't an issue and since i have had 0 feeding issues so far I really don't worry about it.

I agree that stocking up on arms for some whatever seems silly. Unless you are Rambo or are going to let other people use your weapons, you can only shoot one at at time. To me it makes more sense to have a couple trusted, reliable firearms and plenty of ammo.
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Johnnymceldoo
Posted on Monday, November 12, 2012 - 12:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Duracoat is good stuff but I've never used it only saw the results. Its hard but I believe may take days to cure depending on what kind d you get. I use norells moly resin. Its closer to a parkerized finish. Not thick but very scratch and chemical resistant. You preheat part to 100 degrees, paint with airbrush and then bake @300 degrees for one hour. Good stuff.
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Sifo
Posted on Monday, November 12, 2012 - 12:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm certainly no expert on the AR-15, but I thought the forward assist was also intended to allow a round to be chambered fairly quietly, as in not having to just let the charging handle slam home. Or maybe that's just the excuse for keeping on the weapon after the reliability issues were resolved.

Duracoat is sounding more and more like a finish that could work great for lots of small stuff on a bike. I may have to give it a go.
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Buellinachinashop
Posted on Monday, November 12, 2012 - 12:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"Big fan of lasers as a hopeful stopper to a bad situation. Certainly not a magic wand, but if it can make someone rethink his actions so no one gets hurt, great!"

I'm with you sorta. The only lasers I recommend are ones that the user doesn't have to turn on to operate. Crimson Trace is all I've used and turn on by holding the grip. No muscle memory needed.

In self defense situations, shooting a gun must be muscle memory with the simplest of movements required. Some of those rail mounted lasers that require the user to reach forward to turn them on, may just get somebody killed.

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Johnnylunchbox
Posted on Monday, November 12, 2012 - 12:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Buellinachopshop, exactly. One crossed wire from your brain and you're pulling the trigger instead of activating the laser. Also, the laser can give the bad guy something to aim for in a low light situation.

Not a big fan of laser sights, although as a training tool they are good.
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Macbuell
Posted on Monday, November 12, 2012 - 12:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm certainly no expert on the AR-15, but I thought the forward assist was also intended to allow a round to be chambered fairly quietly, as in not having to just let the charging handle slam home. Or maybe that's just the excuse for keeping on the weapon after the reliability issues were resolved.}

Could be but since this is a home defense weapon I don't care if someone hears it. As with the the sound of a pump action shot gun, I am sure whoever hears it might reconsider and turn the F around.

That said, I thought the primary purpose was to seat a round that was not properly seated.
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Sifo
Posted on Monday, November 12, 2012 - 12:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Crimson Trace is all I've used and turn on by holding the grip. No muscle memory needed.

I agree... To a point. OTOH, O don't really want a red line pointing out the fact that I'm coming down the hallway with a gun either. I'm more leaning toward Trijicon Night Sights for my XD-m, but haven't pulled the trigger yet.
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Buellinachinashop
Posted on Monday, November 12, 2012 - 12:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That's my biggest issue with people using 1911's for self defense. Single action only where you're first movement must be taking the safety off before pulling the trigger.

I advise people who are looking at purchasing for that reason to spend alot of time in the range (live fire) or at home drawing from their carry holster and building up the muscle memory to turn that safety off.
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Johnnylunchbox
Posted on Monday, November 12, 2012 - 12:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

MacBuell, that is great for hollywood. If a bad guy is in my house, I don't want him to know I am coming. Never give away your position/tactical advantage, which racking a round certainly does. If it is justified the last thing the guy should experience is darkness.

A massively powerful flashlight at the last second is also a indispensable tool.
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Johnnylunchbox
Posted on Monday, November 12, 2012 - 12:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

A laser would be great if the intruder is a cat.
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Buellinachinashop
Posted on Monday, November 12, 2012 - 12:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"I agree... To a point. OTOH, O don't really want a red line pointing out the fact that I'm coming down the hallway with a gun either."

To me a bad guy seeing the laser could be just as effective as them hearing the "clack clack" of a pump action shotgun. Also, leave your "swear finger" a hair off the laser button until you've identified the target. No need to walk around with the laser on.
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Sifo
Posted on Monday, November 12, 2012 - 12:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Even worse, with 1911, or similar operating weapons, ranges typically want to see the slide back when your put the weapon down to show it's safe. The safety can't even be put on in that state. Typical use is shoot a full mag and set the gun down with the slid back. Load a new mag, release the slide and shoot until empty with the slide back. I see this all the time. The safety never gets practiced by most shooters. That's one of the things that drew me to the XD-m. You pull it out and pull the trigger when you want it to go bang.

I have a 1911 that I love to shoot, but the XD-m is the go to weapon if TSHTF.
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Sifo
Posted on Monday, November 12, 2012 - 12:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

To me a bad guy seeing the laser could be just as effective as them hearing the "clack clack" of a pump action shotgun. Also, leave your "swear finger" a hair off the laser button until you've identified the target. No need to walk around with the laser on.

Good point. Sounds like good training with whatever weapon you choose is key.
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Buellinachinashop
Posted on Monday, November 12, 2012 - 12:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"A laser would be great if the intruder is a cat."

Not at my house. Last thing dude sees is a red spot. Bank that.
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Johnnylunchbox
Posted on Monday, November 12, 2012 - 01:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Buellinachopshop, I hear you on that,but you better hope he doesn't see it before you drop him.
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D_adams
Posted on Monday, November 12, 2012 - 01:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


quote:

That's one of the things that drew me to the XD-m. You pull it out and pull the trigger when you want it to go bang.




Same here. Did a fair bit of research before I bought one, glad I got what I did. My brother-in-law bought a PX4-storm .40 and after comparing them, he said he'd have rather gotten an XDm as well. Bummer for him. Mine stays with me, one in the pipe and ready to roll.


Personally, I'll pass on the light/laser options, I'd hate to become dependent on a piece of equipment that may fail at the worst possible moment. I'll stick with knowing my environment, especially in the dark. If they've made it that far into my home, it's too late for questions. Their intentions are quite clear at that point.
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D_adams
Posted on Monday, November 12, 2012 - 01:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Btw, my wife asked what I wanted for xmas today. I sent her this. A2 upper, chrome lined barrel. I'll ask for the 300 AAC blackout upper later. : D



http://www.rockriverarms.com/index.cfm?fuseaction= category.display&category_id=265
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Macbuell
Posted on Monday, November 12, 2012 - 01:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

MacBuell, that is great for hollywood. If a bad guy is in my house, I don't want him to know I am coming. Never give away your position/tactical advantage, which racking a round certainly does. If it is justified the last thing the guy should experience is darkness.

A massively powerful flashlight at the last second is also a indispensable tool.


That's a good point but how many bad guys are going to keep coming after hearing that noise. They mostly want easy targets. Not hard ones.

And to your 2nd point, my first line of defense is my Ruger SR9 which has one in the pipe and is ready to rock and mounted with a Streamlight flashlight. The AR is in the closet. Not the greatest for Home Defense but I have a 2 year old so it has to stay in a very safe place.
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Buellinachinashop
Posted on Monday, November 12, 2012 - 01:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"I hear you on that,but you better hope he doesn't see it before you drop him."

"Also, leave your "swear finger" a hair off the laser button until you've identified the target. No need to walk around with the laser on."

Handled.
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