| Author | Message | ||
     Thumper74 |
I had a negligent discharge. Well, Kind of. I picked up a new AK47 today from a local gunshop. I loaded a few snap caps in a magazine to make sure it fed and ejected properly. I loaded one round of live ammo and upon attempting to eject the round the charging handle would not move. I didn't want to force it, so I figured I would remove the dust cover, recoil spring, etc and pull the bolt out... I pointed the gun at the floor and I removed the dust cover and spring. Since I had access, I figured I would lower the hammer manually to remove that variable, but it slipped and smacked the firing pin with full force. My heart stopped. Nothing happened. Remember: I had no mechanism to keep the bolt in the gun! I finished taking it apart and there was a healthy dent in the primer, though, I noticed that the primer seemed to sit too deep in the casing. I got it back together and went to the garage. I pulled the bullet and powder from the round, then chambered that round. And... pop! It fired. I got lucky! Sadly, the charging handle had to be slammed down to get the bolt to move. I'm going to give it a thorough cleaning because it seemed like it was oiled with used 20W50 and sand... So... I figured I would share this slightly embarrassing story as a quick gun safety reminder as to how bad it could have happened. | ||
| M1combat |
Be careful out there... I had an issue with my Kimber where the hammer wouldn't ••••/stay cocked. I cycled the slide a couple times and no dice. I decided to pull the hammer back manually to see if it would stay. Of course when I let it go it didn't stay... It fired into the ground about 4' in front of me and chopped two long cuts into my thumb (and damn near broke it). Lesson learned... Don't be in any kind of hurry with a fire arm and make damn sure you've thought out your procedure before you start. | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
 He said ••••! You can't say •••• on Badweb. You have to say male chicken, or tap, or tip, or set the firing mechanism. Or alternatively use Coq which is the french spelling for a male chicken & has absolutely NO relevance to private parts. | ||
| Rick_a |
Especially if it is a Romanian, it'll have a lot of cosmoline in it that needs to be cleaned out then properly lubed. Make sure it is all out of the firing pin channel or there could be major issues. Most AK's have pretty rough actions out of the box. Just fire it normally and they wear-in nicely. Ya got lucky! | ||
| Buelltoys |
What brand of AK is? I have built many of them from kits with new receivers. Sometimes the receiver can hang up or could be a head spacing problem. Also I have had an issue where there was a burr inside the barrel chamber area that could jam the round. We have had to work on many Century Arms and Vulcan arms receivers for people that have cycling problems with these AK's. Just some suggestions. | ||
| Buelltoys |
I have had an OH S$%t moment with an AK. I help out a buddy with his manufacturing company. He had a guy who wanted to learn more about building guns. He was there one night and left a round in the chamber. We did not know it and the next day we were test cycling the builds and the round went off. Since then we no longer allow live rounds in our build room. Only in test fire area. | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
Just out of interest, what does "fire it normally" mean? All the AKs being fired that I've seen are usually being held round a corner or over a wall fired blind til the mag's empty. That or fired into the air. | ||
| Xl1200r |
I've had some fail to fires in normal operation, but only with scatter guns, all of mine are side by sides or pumps, so really rather crude in sophistication compared to anything SA. Your races a bit as you try to decide just how long to I sit here holding this thing before I break open the action, and then what do I do with the bum round? Never had one actually go off when it wasn't supposed to, thank god. | ||
| Reepicheep |
I've had similar situations with a .45 that has a live round jammed that won't quite chamber but won't quite eject. Always a slow tense and high pucker process to figure out the right balance between "whack it hard enough to get it out" and "but don't point it the wrong way or set it off". Hangfires scare the crap out of me too. | ||
| Sifo |
seemed like it was oiled with used 20W50 and sand... I thought AKs were supposed to be "maintained" that way. Last Christmas during our family's annual Christmas shoot, my wife was trying my sister-in-law's new compact .38 special. It had a light hit on a primer and didn't go of... for about 3-4 seconds. Glad she knew enough to wait for it rather than go with the typical "the great thing about a revolver is that if a round doesn't fire, just pull the trigger again". That might be OK advice when your life is on the line. I hate to think what would happen if the round went off after the cylinder had advanced. My lever action is supposed to be put in the half-male-chicken position as it's "safety". It's pretty easy to let the hammer slip if you haven't practiced it. | ||
| Macbuell |
I was looking into a new pistol a while back and the one I was looking at had a Mag Safety. I didn't like that idea at first but once I did some research and found that most accidental discharges that result in injury or worse come from discharges with the mag removed and one in the charger. I'm very methodical when it comes to handling my weapons, even to the point of OCD, but with a 2 year old running around the house, you just can't be too safe, IMO. I ended up buying the handgun with the mag safety and I love the gun and I can't see the mag safety ever being anything but a positive safety feature. (Message edited by macbuell on October 25, 2012) | ||
| S21125r |
Sifo I had a moment similar to that... I have an old 9 shot 22 revolver that I hadn't shot in a long time so decided to use up some old ammo. Second shot was a non fire. A few more non fires scatted in with the rest of the remaining rounds. I crack open the cylinder afterward and to my surprise I find 9 spent cases with no lead. My reaction went from WTF to Hoooooly $hit in a matter of a few seconds. Damned lucky I didn't split the barrel open with a lodged bullet. Lesson Learned there... | ||
| Reepicheep |
That gun, while cool, is a stack of accidents waiting to happen. The only gun I never missed. Half •••• safety? Tube magazine that can get dirty and hide rounds that will later magically appear, lever action means you can't put a trigger lock on it? Ow. Nice to carry though, when it didn't kill you. | ||
| Thumper74 |
IO inc AK. It was a great deal. My BIL has head space guages for 7.62x39, so I may test it before shooting since he's the one with the range membership | ||
| Buelltoys |
This is my latest build. It was after my first operational test.  | ||
| Buelltoys |
some more of our builds.  | ||
| Boogiman1981 |
Took the ar out today... Was using cheap painted steel case rounds.... Seemed ok till we had a spent case get stuck inside the chamber. Nothing but brass for me after that. | ||
| Just_ziptab |
As long as we are out shooting guns........ Last Saturday at the farm. Five gallon pepper oil cask full of water.  | ||
| Kenm123t |
Boogi I use that stuff for mini 14s Ar s are too precise for the steel case ammo the paint melts and sticks. | ||
| Nm5150 |
Point rifle up,stay out of line of fire,hold fore arm in one hand and grasp charging handle and then smack butt of rifle straight down.I usually do this outside and smack it on a wooden stool. | ||
| Macbuell |
I don't know why anyone would want to use steel in an AR. If you want good, cheap ammo, go with PMC. They are plenty cheap and I have never had any problems. | ||
| Boogiman1981 |
Nm tried that... Still had to use 'ram rod' to remove the case. Mac... Dads gun it's what he suggested. However we won't be doing that any more. | ||
| Spatten1 |
I've done the same thing with a 30-30, with my son next to me. Had it pointed in a safe direction, thank G-d, tried to ease the hammer down and it fired. Still scared the crap out of both of us. | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
I'd love to get hold of an AR-7, & a Mossberg JIC, to tuck away for if/when needed. Trouble is they have all these funny laws here. | ||
| Hootowl |
Gun control. Even 12 year old girls get it. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/10/19/oklahoma-girl -12-shoot-suspected-burglar/?intcmp=obnetwork | ||
| 01x1buell |
hey i have lots of guns and i love my AK , Have you been able to bumpfire it and fake full auto it???? lots of fun. | ||
| Darth_villar |
Just about the only weapon I can see legitimate reasons for full auto is the FN PS90. Skilled marksmen can put machine gun full auto fire with accuracy however. Glad to hear everything worked out ok thumper, those gun safety rules are no joke. It is good to know they are practiced, and effective. FYI, cosmoline is worse than just about anything in the real world you can simulate (natural weather/outdoor stuff). It is good practice to fully clean a weapon prior to ever firing it, cosmoline or not. | ||
| Sifo |
Guns and motorcycles. Both can be very unforgiving of your mistakes. Still... Both are awesome! | ||
| Aesquire |
Mr Grumpy. ...what does "fire it normally" mean? The same thing as start your motorcycle normally. The switches and levers do what they are meant to do. A gun is a tool. A machine. It's usual purpose is to put holes in things. A drill press usually does a much better job in the shop, but at 100 meters, not so much. Myself, depending on the tool used, I don't count on better than 1 centimeter precision at 100 meters for putting a hole in paper, cans, or whatever object I want to put a hole in. Many Others can do much better than I, many can do worse. If your drill press shot the bit out of the chuck when that's not what you expect from manipulating the controls, that is not normal. We are talking about the civilian version of a post WW2 assault rifle ( the semi auto version is NOT an assault rifle, it is just a rifle that uses "less than main battle rifle powered cartridges, as defined by the WW1/WW2 - 7.92 Mauser/.303 British/30-06 US/7.62 NATO rounds developed in the late 19th/early 20th century and used in Main Battle Rifles on both sides in that conflict." An "Assault rifle" uses the above reduced power cartridge AND is select fire semi or full automatic. i.e. a machine gun. ( the use of reduced power rounds is because the full power Battle rifle round kicks too hard for most people to control in full auto in a relatively lightweight rifle. Some can indeed control such rifles as a Full auto M-14. But not many, and the different in control between a FAL and a light machine gun is large. You do have to bear in mind that the AK-47 is built to be used by raw recruits, has been handed to peasants and primitive tribesman by the millions, and has fairly crappy accuracy out past 100 meters or so. It is, in fact designed for use from a moving vehicle and if fired as one would a "normal rifle", the bullets hit the ground about a hundred meters away. ( the design of stock and grip. ) The way Ak's are often seen on tv, is either some directors idea of cool, some morons idea of cool, or the infamous "Beirut Offhand" which is holding the gun over your head and spraying bullets in the general direction of the other side of the car you are hiding behind. OTOH, US Marines have a habit of aiming, and hitting their targets. After the second battle of Fallujah, UN observers complained the Marines were "executing" prisoners because they kept finding people shot in the head. The Marine General in charge was taken to the scene of such as "execution", and explained that since there were no powder burns, and that the Marines had not been closer than 200 yards to that location, it was not a War crime, but just typical Marine Marksmanship. It took over a week to get that concept through to the UN bozos. | ||
| Rempss |
"Just about the only weapon I can see legitimate reasons for..." Wow, what a comment. Too bad. Jeff |
