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     Fb1 |
CC is a lefty, chose the questioners (and hence the questions) ahead of time, and "assisted" 0bama out of sticky situations several times last night. 0 got a lot more clock time, too, it seemed. None of this will come as a surprise to a high-information voter, regardless of which side of the aisle they're on. Damned irritating. Yet Romney still prevailed. R&R - 3 0&B - 0 One to go, and an election. R&R 2012 
Source, and read detailed explanations of each item, here: http://blog.heritage.org/2012/10/17/the-5-most-mis leading-statements-from-the-second-presidential-de bate/ | ||
| Sifo |
I'm calling BS on CC pulling the prez out of the "Mitt-Grinder", then later admitting he was essential right That was a bad call on the part of a "moderator". It would be a bit better if she was right, but she wasn't. Also the question she selected about women making 72% less than men was a bad one, factually incorrect according to recent data. Combine that with this being the third debate where the BO side has gotten more talking time, and you start to get the idea that the moderators may have a particular leaning. I don't think any major points were scored, or major gaffs made by either side. I think the facts, when checked, go toward Romney. I think what is likely to give a lasting impression though is that when BO tried to talk over Romney like Biden did, Romney stood his ground and firmly put BO in his place. BO tried to be the alpha dog and quickly found out that he wasn't. It showed in my view. EDIT: I think other world leaders have already figured out that BO isn't an alpha dog. Long ago. (Message edited by SIFO on October 17, 2012) | ||
| Sifo |
The question about how you are different from GWB was also very odd and one sided IMO. How about a question for BO about how he is different from Carter?  | ||
| Oldog |
CC was not as bad as I expected. But I am disappointed that talk time was not more closely monitored for his windiness the O. Obama's attempt to talk over Romney was well handled by Mitt, on several occasions he politely and firmly admonished obama that He (Romney) had the floor I heard comments that Obama attempted to shake Romney's hand and Mitt walked off with out acknowledging the gesture. I saw him move toward CC as if to shake hands or have a word. I would remind folks that there could be a variety of reasons for that besides a snub ( had to pee, Wife needed some thing important, etc.... ) Can we have Bill Oriley / Sean Hanady as the next moderator the debate would be lively  | ||
| Oldog |
How about a question for BO about how he is different from Carter? Carter wanted to make things better for every one, mistakenly believing that all would pull their own weight. Obama is all about taking the USA down a notch, and looking out for his "friends" The rest of us are "Proles" not members of the party. one comment from an arkansas FORMER democrat was telling... C-span is worth the time to watch, if you can find your area of interest. | ||
| Fb1 |
CC was not as bad as I expected. But I am disappointed that talk time was not more closely monitored for his windiness the O. She's smoother than Martha Radicalitz, I'll give her that. She got to choose the questions, and "guide" the debate, particularly when they FINALLY got around to talking about Benghazi. She's a lefty; what else can you say? Bret Baier from Fox would be a great moderator. Who chooses the moderators, and what is their political affiliation? | ||
| Sifo |
The problem is that the DNC has refused to allow moderators from Fox News. They know they need every advantage they can get. | ||
| Fb1 |
Agree. Just curious who actually makes these decisions, and what their political affiliation is. The debates, by nature, are supposed to be "neutral," including the moderators. So far Romney and Ryan have debated not only 0&B, but the moderators, AND the press. Which will make the R&R victory all the sweeter.
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| Oldog |
Ferris I would be stunned if any Fox righty were allowed to moderate, they spin too my favorite was a former WH staffer who worked with bush on planning and sched, and some democrat politic/pollster [SETUP!] they get on and the guy ( dem ) starts spouting talking points and making excuses for O's trip to the view. Megyn Kelly hoses the twit several times when he starts the "stump speech" it was amusing to watch it being broadcast, Its the same with some of the other personalities that Fox has attracted. I have seen Hannity and O'reily do this ( Bill annoys me when he does it ) as they call the guests if they are spinning or drifting hard left or right. Truth I suspect that true factual information would be so dry as to be impossible to sell sponsorships for. who knows.. Fox has up on the web site that CC admitted that Mitt was right. Remark of the night last night was Romney telling the O he needs to check his retirement accounts, if he has certain items in the funds they are business investments in China. O as in Owned...... | ||
| Fb1 |
Yeah, it's Breitbart again. They're prolly making all this stuff up, dirty right-wing bastards that they are, but just in case there's a grain of truth somewhere in all of this: Romney's Secret Blowout http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/10/16 /Romney-big-winner 'Independent' Audience Asks Twice As Many Anti-Romney Questions http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/10/16 /audience-questions-2-to-1-anti-Romney CNN Poll: Romney Buries Obama On Economy http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/10/16 /CNN-Poll-Romney-Wallops-Obama-on-Economy CBS Poll: Romney Wallops Obama On Economy 65-34% http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/10/16 /CBS-Debate-Poll-Romney-Wins-on-Economy Romney Surges in New Hampshire, Now Tied http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/10/16 /Romney-Huge-surge-New-Hampshire-Now-Tied Crowley Saves Obama with False Fact-Check http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/10/16 /Crowley-Saves-Obama-with-false-fact-check Crowley Interrupts Romney 28 Times, Obama Just 9 http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/10/17 /Crowley-interrupts-28-times-Romney Fact Check: Romney Beats Both Opponents, Narrowly http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/10/16 /Live-Debate-Fact-Check-and-Analysis Obama's Brutal Gaffe: Low Gas Prices Cratered Our Economy http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/10/17 /Obama-worst-gaffe-gas-prices Romney Surges in Wisconsin, Tied with Obama http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/10/17 /WI-Romney-surges-10-points-tied-with-obama Gallup: Romney Up 51-45%, Proving Biden Lost Debate http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/10/17 /Gallu-Romney-up-6-biden-lost-debate Romney Destroys Obama's Auto Bailout Argument: 'You Actually Took GM, Chrysler Bankrupt' http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/10/17 /Romney-Destroys-Obama-Argument-on-Auto-Bailout-Yo u-Actually-Took-GM-Chrysler-Bankrupt Pres. Debate: What about Fast and Furious? http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/10/17 /What-About-Fast-and-Furious Fact Check: Top Ten Worst Lies of the Second Presidential Debate http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/10/17 /Top-Ten-Lies-of-the-Second-Presidential-Debate Obama Misleadingly Claims Gov't Got Back 'Every Dime' of Bailouts http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/10/16 /Obama-Misleadingly-Claims-Gov-t-Got-Back-Every-Di me-of-Bailouts Romney Presses Obama on Fast and Furious in Town Hall Debate http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/10/16 /Gov-Romney-to-Obama-When-Are-We-Going-to-Get-Answ ers-On-Fast-And-Furious 'WaPo' Smacks Obama For Not Answering Libya Question http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/10/17 /Wapo-Smacks-Obama-for-libya-question Report: Rule Change Allows Candy Crowley To Steal Debate Spotlight http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/10/16 /Last-minute-rule-change-gives-crowley-debate-spot light Crowley's False Fact Check Saves President, Derails Debate - UPDATE: Crowley Backtracks http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/10/16 /Crowley-Saves-Obama-with-false-fact-check There's more, LOTS more, at Breitbart, but really, how much more of this obviously patriotic propaganda crap can you really stand?? #WAR | ||
| Fb1 |
Ferris I would be stunned if any Fox righty were allowed to moderate, they spin too Yes, they do. The difference is they don't hide the fact they're not right down the middle. The MSM certainly does. I like Bret Baier's style. Hannity gets on my nerves - I have to mute him when he's interviewing someone, like Michelle Malkin, for example. Only seems fair that if there are four debates, two are moderated by left, and two are moderated by the right. Right? My guess is that the right-sided mods would be at least 99% fair and impartial. If they weren't then I'd work as hard to discredit them as I'm doing the left-sided mods. | ||
| Sifo |
Only seems fair that if there are four debates, two are moderated by left, and two are moderated by the right. Right? At least one out of four. Zero out of four just seems lame. I think if America saw the difference, many would have their eyes opened though. I can kind of understand the DNC's absolute refusal to have such a debate. | ||
| Reepicheep |
People misunderstand bias. People can't be unbiased. Bias is a predisposition and preconception, which every one of us have. Its how our brain works. Anyone that didn't have natural biases would have been dead by the age of 4 (i.e. I am biased to believe that if I pee on an electrical outlet, I will be electrocuted again). I don't want the media to be unbiased, it is first impossible, and secondly it makes for crappy reporting. I want the biases to be clear and understood, and I want the biased content creators to try be as fair and informative as possible. So given that mindset, what I would recommend is three moderators. One reporter aligned with each candidate, but a reporter with a reputation as a good reporter that tries and get to the truth. The three moderators fit that category for the Democratic side, I thought they all tried to compensate for their biases. Then a third "umpire" who enforces very strict and very objective rules about timelines, and interruptions, and who is prepared to mute the mic of a candidate or the candidates interviewer or assess 15 yard penalties (15 seconds less time) for disruptions. | ||
| Strokizator |
I'll go for that. For the republican moderator I'd like to see Kimberly Guilfoyle. After working her way through law school as a Victoria's Secret's model, she worked in the district attorney's office in both LA and SF before moving to NY. Smart girl. Whenever I see her on TV I hear a little Clint Eastwood voice in my head telling me "A man's got to know his limitations". | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
The ONLY claiming that there is no bias in the press have a vested interest IN the bias of the press. You sure as hell don't want the audience to know the referee and judges are all in the tank for you. Progressives are the only ones who think WWF is real. | ||
| Aesquire |
http://xkcd.com/1122/ "no one without false teeth has become President" | ||
| Fb1 |
People misunderstand bias. For the record, I don't "misunderstand" bias. Four debates? Two mods from the left (there are plenty to choose from) and two mods from the right (not so many, but they're there). What could be fairer? Re: the bias in the veep debate, the 0-Team had one chance, and one chance only, to prevail: Do NOT, at ALL costs, let Ryan speak a complete sentence. Bidet was a dick for a very definite reason: If the American public actually hears Ryan speak without the "media filter" on, he'll CRUSH Bidet. Bidet's only defense? Be a loud-mouthed, arrogant, jerk. And it (mostly) worked. And why did he get away with it? (Hint: A biased moderator.) Bret Baier, for example, would NOT have tolerated such behavior, from EITHER candidate, in a true "debate" format. Martha Radical gave it the greenlight, and prolly got a nice parting gift outta the deal. Re: the pres debate last night, Oldog said CC wasn't as bad as he expected she'd be. With all due love and respect: What's the ONE political issue right now that could actually technically take down 0bama? (F&F doesn't count; it should, but he's already bought himself the time he needs on this one.) Benghazi, and the preezy and his peeps LYING to US for two weeks about what really happened. People died, and 0bama lied. And what did CC do last night? Instead of giving Romney time to rebut 0bama's claim that he manned-up and declared it an act of terror from the get-go, she interrupted Romney - this is a debate, remember, not a hostile interview - and fact checked him (incorrectly, as it turns out, as she herself said later, but well after the damage was done). She didn't let him make his point - this is a DEBATE, remember - and then said, "Well hells bells, look at the time, fellas! Sorry, we need to be moving on!" Did you hear 0bama TELL her to get the manuscript of his speech in the Rose Garden?!? He KNEW she had it, and son of a gun, there it was, right on top of her stack of notes. How utterly frikkin' convenient. SHE debated Romney. No, that's not even correct. She talked right over the TOP of Romney, and then moved on to another subject. Some bias. Some "debate." 0bama: "Can you say that a little louder, Candy?" And the crowd - Independents? Ha! - laughed with and applauded the preezy. "What a kewl dewd! Is it any wonder we love him so?!?" (Oops, did we chant that out loud?) Here's the most damning thing of all, IMO: Today, many intelligent conservatives are saying that overall it was pretty fair moderating, or better than they expected it to be, or words to that effect. Bull. Shit. Last night's debate was another travesty. We're supposed to get to hear the candidates UNFILTERED, for better or worse, in a neutral, unbiased setting and format, to help us better decide who is more qualified to lead our nation for the next four years. And what did we get? Yet another gang rape, aided and abetted by a corrupt media. The media is EVERYTHING in this country. And some of them are so good at hiding their bias, we don't even notice. Sad. Romney learned another valuable lesson last night: He's never had to deal with the enemy before. Yeah, prolly some as governor, but nowhere near the level he's currently facing. Romney's used to fighting hard, but fighting fair. He, and his team, now need to acknowledge the true nature of the beast they face, and this includes the corrupt, feckless, lapdog mainstream media, who have sold their very souls to protect the ann0inted 0ne and his disciples. Romney needs to remain true to himself, which he has done so far, and I'm certain will continue to do so. But he can no longer have any doubt as to the absolute monster he's up against. If he's truly our next President he will rise to the challenge next week. He'll roll up his sleeves, double-up his fists, look 0bama AND the moderator right in their glowing eyes, and say, "OK, fellas, let's get it on." Boom boom, out go the lights. Media bias. They were so good at it last night that a lot of well-intentioned conservatives didn't even see it. If 0bama wins reelection, I bet there's already a juicy cabinet position waiting for CC. Hey, better yet, she could be our first-ever "Media Czar"... (Message edited by fb1 on October 17, 2012) | ||
| Fb1 |
http://youtu.be/OPfRbp2zycc | ||
| Fb1 |
Source: America's 1st Freedom magazine, "Official Journal of the National Rifle Association," November 2012 issue, http://www.nranews.com | ||
| Fb1 |
This is a rerun, but it's worth another look. This was written exactly two months ago to the day, and is right on the frikkin' money.
Source, and read more: http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/08/18 /The-Mantle-of-Leadership-Has-Shifted-Romney-Ryan- Govern-in-All-but-Name-Only | ||
| Oldog |
Interesting reading .... http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/dsouza-2016-obama s-america/2012/10/15/id/460086?s=al&promo_code=106 B9-1 | ||
| Oldog |
Ferris: With re guard to CC and the lefties I expected and saw the Fluffy questions, the Unchecked Over times, the Infamous Wrong Fact Check the interruptions and all of the road blocks that were thrown up. I EXPECT IT Like you I am not going to sit still for the Socialist enema ... What MSM fail to grasp with folks like me, even though I'm not so bright... When commentators,Celebs, and Networks Like: Soledad O'brien Candy Crowley Chris Mathews and Celebs like Damon, Portman, Johansen, and Clooney Or these networks Cnn,ABC,CBS,NBC, MSNBC when they distort the truth, or line up on the left They loose credibility with me for ever..... I don't watch them, It has been so egregious that I am considering letter writing and boycotting these networks and their sponsors. I will now start planning and perhaps engaging in a personal truth in media campaign, letters to sponsors, complaints to the FCC etc. The MSM's behavior is just this side of treasonous ... With the exception of FOX the best thing I have found is to Watch FOX or C-span when I can, and read as much as I can on the net, I blame FT-Bstrd for a little of this as I asked him once how he was able to stay so well informed. The huge Irony is that when the MSM become a politicians lapdog they endanger themselves as well as US. They are so STUPID that they miss the ramifications of what happens if some day they pull the same stunt with a political strong man and he takes over. Do you think that the Iraqui media REALLY loved SADAM, Not me.... Crowley with other media types are now the focus of my ridicule, they should be yours too. To fix the debate we have to contact the debate commission and demand better. if its 2 rights 2 lefts I want Bill O'riley give the lefties some thing to cry about Personally Mr.Romney has done admirably under the circumstances | ||
| Fb1 |
Oldog: Personally Mr.Romney has done admirably under the circumstances. Concur 100%. Thanks for your well-written post. I agree on all counts. I was pretty angry yesterday about the crap from the debate the other night - ESPECIALLY Crowley jumping in and saving 0bama's bacon (in what was obviously preplanned collusion) - and it showed in some of my posts. Without a truly free press, we're no better than a despotic third-world country. We're almost there. If the ch0sen 0ne is reelected, we can rest assured the 1st Amendment will be further attacked with a vengeance. The ONLY thing that has given this country any chance at all in this election is what's left of the "old" free press - Fox, for example - and the "new" free press: the internet. Crowley would make a great "media czar," doncha think? Speaking of, it's all champagne and giggles at CNN HQ, as they all do the "Ain't she effin' great!" circle-jerk and commend themselves, yet again, for being "The Most Trusted Name In News." Pukes, all of them. Thanks again for your post. Your friend, FB
Source, and more: http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/10/17 /CNN-sends-letter-to-employees-defending-crowley How do you spell "vomit" with just three letters? C N N | ||
| Hughlysses |
We're going to do a word count to see whether, as in Denver, Romney actually got more words in even if he talked for a shorter period of time.  I guess they'll have an on-screen "wordometer" giving a running word count during the next debate and cut off each candidate after a specific number of words? | ||
| Fb1 |
It'd be funny if it wasn't so sad and pathetic. We're BETTER than this!
Source: http://www.therightscoop.com/awesome-romney-takes- the-lead-on-rcps-electoral-map/ Link to map: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/presi dent/2012_elections_electoral_college_map.html | ||
| Oldog |
Trust me the air turned blue at my house on debate night.  their "Professionalism" [ STUPIDITY]  sickens me as well, I use my options, Don't watch  [Sleep is a better use of my time] Discredit  [ nothing like facts to end a dispute ] Ridicule  [ If your going to subject me to it I'm going to try to enjoy my self ] | ||
| Macbuell |
I have little doubt Romney will win Florida. He's ahead on all the polls and over 50% on some there right now. That would put him at 235. He would only need 35 more. I think he will win Virginia on the back of the military and Obama's proposed military cuts. That's another 13 Electoral votes putting him at 248. If Ryan can bring Wisconsin, that would be huge. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
looking at that map would make me swear off the west coast for a long time....where did we fall, how did we fall so far. We used to be the 'wild west' where you made it or didnt make it by your own means - ugh. obviously separation in distance from the swamp of DC has done nothing for our local air. | ||
| Fb1 |
I have little doubt Romney will win Florida. He's ahead on all the polls and over 50% on some there right now. That would put him at 235. He would only need 35 more. R&R are doing well in Florida, which is great news indeed. I think he will win Virginia on the back of the military and Obama's proposed military cuts. That's another 13 Electoral votes putting him at 248. Concur, and I think NC will go R&R, too. I also have a good feeling about OH, WI and NV. What about PA?? If Ryan can bring Wisconsin, that would be huge. Recent events in WI, and the fact Ryan's from there, make this state very doable for R&R. I love the smell of landslides in the morning... looking at that map would make me swear off the west coast for a long time....where did we fall, how did we fall so far. City, I was born and raised in WA, lived for ten years in CA, and have traveled up and down the West Coast a zillion times. For the life of me I can't figure out why WA and OR are blue. CA? No brainer (although I know plenty of conservatives who live there), but WA and OR?  | ||
| Hootowl |
"For the life of me I can't figure out why WA and OR are blue." King county, and Portland (multiple counties). The rest of the counties in those states are pretty conservative. Eastern Washington has tried to form their own state several times. California is the same way. Blue around San Fran and LA, red everywhere else. |
