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     Fb1 |
FB1, allow me to assist boogiman. Absolutely. Discussions like this are EXACTLY what ALL concerned Americans should be having right now. We need to know where our candidates stand on issues that are important to us. Certainly, in this day of near-instant search capability on the 'net, we should be able to answer Boogiman's questions with something fresher than a statement made over five years ago, both the issue of the Patriot Act, AND the issue of freedom of speech. I know beyond a shadow of a doubt where the chosen one stands on such issues. So does this man: Too bad Ambassador Stevens didn't have this much security.... | ||
| Oldog |
On the TSA thing I used to travel weekly for years, After 911 it most assuredly a PITA, and no I do not like having my stuff gone through or my lap tops x-rayed removing my boots, etc...... BUT Do you remember where you were 911?, I was 400 miles from home, O BTW there is a nuclear power plant with in 10 Miles of home, and for all I knew some ba$tard was going to fly an air liner into it. So while I don't like intrusion into my life or affairs by our increasingly meddlesome , incompetent [ insert more condemnations as you see fit ] government, I close my eyes and see the towers fall, then I decide for NOW I will put up with it, We are At war dealing with an opponent using Guerrilla tactics and no reservations about killing innocents. When AlQeda lands another successful attack on our soil perhaps folks will get it. | ||
| Sifo |
I'm not going to read through this whole thread so if it's been asked and answered copy/paste or link me please. i was perusing the R&R site and there are a lot of topics that he has a plan for.... one is conspicuously missing. The Freedom of Speech. I also noted that he supports the Patriot Act. what gives? This is pretty current, assuming it's accurate...
http://www.thepoliticalguide.com/Profiles/Governor /Massachusetts/Mitt_Romney/Views/Homeland_Security / Seems that makes him not better/worse than BO on the Patriot Act. I happen to think that parts of it were good. Parts were bad. Much of the bad has recently been strengthened under BO. Personally I would trust Romney with the powers of the Patriot Act far more than I would BO. BO has proven himself to crave power and do everything he can to circumvent the checks and balances meant to temper a potential despot. His actions with this film maker demonstrate his willingness to trash the 1st amendment. I don't think Romney could possibly be worse on the freedom of speech issue. I know he is better than BO on most issues. It's an easy choice IMO. | ||
| Oldog |
I predict that if Romney is elected that some of this crap going on with the terrorists will subside. Romney has been real clear on his stump speeches where he stands. Nice to have some clarity for a change... Obama is ok with freedom of speech so long as its about him and its all good. THE PA is a temporary fix to assist getting the bad guys (Message edited by oldog on September 18, 2012) | ||
| Xb9er |
Hey, where is the most recent video of Mitt? I heard in a round-a-bout way said veterans need to take responsibility? | ||
| Boogiman1981 |
Not arguing sifo but could you point out the parts of the PA you like? I don't know it by heart just know mostly the creepy parts | ||
| Sifo |
Elimination of the "firewall" between various agencies for one. There's also numerous things that help them track money laundering operations that help fund terrorists. If you don't mind me asking, who would you vote for based on this issue and why? | ||
| Boogiman1981 |
Based on PA alone? Neither as they both support it. Overall not Hussein. Not sold on R&R just yet either. | ||
| Fb1 |
With all due respect: You've only got two choices in November... | ||
| Sifo |
Based on PA alone? Neither as they both support it. So why bother with this as a discussion point if the point is moot? I'm not clear why you even brought this up, especially only tying one candidate to the issue? Maybe I'm being to sensitive on this, but it seemed to be a one sided attack on Romney. | ||
| Oldog |
}I know beyond a shadow of a doubt where the chosen one stands on such issues. So does this man: I understand Boogies' concerns over the PA when you see treasonous acts like this being carried out, We would hope that at some point it will be rescinded, and our normal liberties restored. } | ||
| Boogiman1981 |
yes Sifo you're overreacting to me again. you are the one that asked me who i would vote for on this issue, given the issue we were just discussing was the PA it was my logical conclusion that is the issue you were referring to. you don't have to approve of my answer it is mine to have and honestly something i shared with great trepidation as i was always taught your vote is private. guess my folks were right. have a great day. | ||
| Sifo |
Sorry Boogiman, you were the first one that I saw bringing up the PA. Perhaps I missed real originator of that. | ||
| Boogiman1981 |
no i think you're right i asked about it as it is something of gave importance by my estimations and observations. i have the answer to my question. due to the PA I feel like i must be careful about expressing my thoughts regarding it and political figures. it would seem that you and I disagree again  shocking i'm sure lol | ||
| Jb2 |
>>> THE PA is a temporary fix to assist getting the bad guys Correction... it "was" a temporary fix that now seems to be permanent. I've not heard either candidate talk of rescinding the law, disbanding the TSA or restoring our freedoms lost to the law. The TSA has not captured a single terrorist. Maybe the argument could be made that their presence has thwarted them trying but, there's no proof of that. I'm in the boat for Romney but getting him elected is only the beginning. Have you heard the new edicts coming down from the EPA that will require customers to purchase minimums when buying E10 or E15? We have soo many government departments that are set on their own course, allowed to write their own laws without Congressional approval. What about all the latitude granted to the HHS under Obamacare? This isn't a one election fix but we have to take the reins back from the liberals this time around or we are sunk as a free nation. | ||
| Oldog |
Have you heard the new edicts coming down from the EPA that will require customers to purchase minimums when buying E10 or E15? Please Explain} | ||
| Fb1 |
This isn't a one election fix but we have to take the reins back from the liberals this time around or we are sunk as a free nation. Amen, brother. Amen. | ||
| Jb2 |
Jim - I read an article today that the EPA is, in some states, going to require a 4 gallon minimum purchase when buying E10 and E15 Ethanol blends. First in test markets then possibly nationwide. http://green.autoblog.com/2012/08/13/epa-requiring -4-gallon-minimum-purchase-of-e15-fuel/ This is one story. There is current one out today but I cannot find the link. | ||
| Reepicheep |
It's really confusing. I *believe* there will be specially marked pumps to dispense E10 or E15, and these pumps will have a minimum purchase of 5 gallons or something. The reason for this (I think) was to make sure that when that same pump switches back to non E10 or E15, there is enough "real gas" going in such that you aren't just getting a bunch of E10 or E15 from the hose. But as usual, regulating stating how to solve the problem (rather than what problem must be solved) has buggered everything up and created a cure worse than the disease. The way this hurts motorcyclists is that there will then be that many fewer pumps we can potentially use. The regulators will say "oh, but this only applies to pumps that also serve E10 or E15, so we aren't forcing anything" one day, but the next day they will keep making it harder and harder to sell anything but E10 and E15. Regardless if doing so actually make environmental or economic sense. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
they can force you to buy insurance - of course they can force you to minimum purchases for gas.... wait till they hit you with a levied minimum 'energy' "purchase" surcharge.... | ||
| Hootowl |
"they can force you to buy insurance". Nope. It's a tax, according to the Supreme Court.  | ||
| Fb1 |
It's a tax, according to the guy in the robe. I've often wondered: Why was Justice Roberts so frikkin' nervous? Hey, wait a damn second!! Didn't the guy on the left (get it?) swear under oath to "preserve, protect and defend" the Constitution of the United States?? What's up with that?!?  Anyway, the guy in the robe - the really, really nervous guy - ruled that Obamatax is, indeed, a tax (despite persistent rumors to the contrary from the White House). I wonder what his cut is..... | ||
| Xb9er |
probably less than what Mitt could afford to pay him. | ||
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| Sifo |
Anyone else see this site that "un-skews" the polls? I don't know if this is accurate, but I think it's more accurate the the polls as they are published. http://www.unskewedpolls.com/  | ||
| Reindog |
Thanks for the post, Sifo and it is good to see you posting here rather than the distractions of Homo-this-or-whatever and Henpecked-Jesus. Those were diversions designed to keep people from focusing on why Obama is a terrible President in both domestic and foreign policy. Please keep on target as there are some Badwebbers who have the capability to discover that Romney is better for their self interest than Obama. This article by Examiner.com gives more information about skewed polls. http://www.examiner.com/article/commentary-the-mai nstream-media-polls-are-skewed-for-a-reason | ||
| Two_seasons |
Regarding EPA and clean air, we experienced the driest summer on record here in Wisconsin. All without one non-attainment day per EPA air quality standards, the WHOLE summer. Just a guess, but I'll bet those lawn mowers not running much this summer may have had something to do with this startling fact! Meanwhile, our know-it-all federal gov't continues to foist Exx fuel on "we the people". | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
I was talking to a man who made his living in the market this past Friday.... I asked him WHY the market is booming... I just don't get it with gas prices near 4 bucks and the housing market in the tank His reply... Why did the market start to tank in 2007 and continue to head south into 2008? Me:  Him: Because the people who make their money in the market new either Clinton or Obama were going to win the election. No doubt in their minds. So they started pulling out. Once they knew it was gonna be the big O, they began to run away even faster. Me:  HIM: NOW... they are betting/know someone is getting evicted in Nov. and moving back to Hawaii in January Me:  makes sense to me..... I hope he right. | ||
| Sifo |
I asked him WHY the market is booming... I just don't get it with gas prices near 4 bucks and the housing market in the tank One other thing, and it's not a good thing for most people. "Quantitative Easing III". Also known as printing money. This just pumps cash into the investment markets artificially. This drives the markets higher, but what you are really seeing is a form of inflation (more accurately devaluation of the dollar). You don't see any growth in your bank account, wallet, or pay check though. You will see it at retail stores in the months to come. | ||
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