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     Court |
>>>There is simply nothing more important than removing Obama from office this November. That's so terribly accurate and I'm convinced so few are aware. It's interesting to me . . . here in Gotham or in Bolder, CO that less than 50% of the folks randomly interviewed on the street can tell you the name of the President or Vice-President of the United States of America. As Ben Wattenberg and Richard M. Scammon wrote in their bestselling The Real Majority: An Extraordinary Examination of the American Electorate . . . elections are won not but the politically informed or folks who are fluent on issues but the average Joe or Jane, the one who doesn't know a thing about the issues and votes like a blind person firing a pistol in a dark cave. This is the reason that contrived imaginary candidates with "safe" names, as well as the cat that was elected mayor, prevail over smart folks who's names are unknown. I'm "safe" in this election. My wife, the one who was recently disparaged here, was smart enough to see what was coming about 2006. like Romney, Obama, Holder and Ryan . . I've insulated personal assets from the American economy to the extent that I can. I'm exempt from "Obamacare" (thanks to union membership) and, being over 55, am protected from any, to date, planned changes in social security. But if you are under 55, subject to the coming healthcare regs (the ones that were estimated at something like $900,000,000,000 and have already, 2 years before they take effect, risen to $1,600,000,000,000. . well if we continue on the fiscal path Obama has envisioned you'd be better off being a Fiat 500 stuck on the main line Acela tracks. I think Romney is an astute businessman who is well intentioned. I'm not that sure he is as smart, or cagey, a politician as Obama. I think Ryan is one of the smartest folks (the guy is a gifted mathematician with a keen sense of how to manage the budget - be mindful that Obama's Budget Chief call Ryan's plan something like pure genius. Interesting that Ryan was working as a waiter in a restaurant, was moonlighting in Washington, DC when he first arrived, sleeps in his office and goes home to his family weekly. He's a blue collar, smart, hard working, honest guy from start to finish. I wont tell you how to vote . . .but if you are not closely looking at the facts this time around . . . you really need to ask yourself some questions. Me? I'm hoping for Romney for at least 4 and Ryan for 8. We deserve better leaders and it's time to act. | ||
| Notpurples2 |
I think it makes sense and will make Romney a much bigger threat. He would pull in some of the libertarian voters and will be more appealing to regular-joes than Twit Von Moneybags Romney. | ||
| Hootowl |
"Twit Von Moneybags Romney" Isn't Obama loaded too? | ||
| Reindog |
notpurples2, Why do you disparage success? Romney honestly worked hard for his wealth. If you haven't already done so, then read "Atlas Shrugged". What about Twit Von Moneybags Obama or Twit Von Moneybags Kerry or Twit Von Moneybags Gore or Twit Von Moneybags Kennedy or Twit Von Moneybags Soros? Are they OK but somehow future President-elect Mitt Romney isn't? Most of those people either married into money or inherited it. But that is different, I guess. Get educated, friend. | ||
| Hughlysses |
I don't think Notpurples2 was necessarily disparaging Romney, he's just stating what I'd guess is the impression of a significant number of voters regarding Romney. On a related subject, when I become emperor, I'm going to make it a law that when any politician, TV/movie star or media person uses the term "the rich" or "the wealthiest Americans", the TV is required to instantly show a display of that person's personal wealth, yearly salary, donations to charities, etc. | ||
| Sifo |
Isn't Obama loaded too? Nothing like Romney. I have zero issues with someone finding ways to make money within the law. In fact I have a lot of respect for those with the ability and drive to do so. I don't understand the argument against Ryan for his votes on the bailouts. It puts him in no worse light than the other option; at worst! Given his explanation for his votes, there is reasoning behind it. This is far better than simply voting "present" to avoid having to make these decisions that may need less than obvious explanations. I agree with the TARP bailout simply because the government had a big hand in what caused the problems in the first place. That, to me, means the government shares responsibility to straighten things out again. I don't put much faith in government's ability to do any of this without much pain however. The auto industry bailout, I have far more reservations about. It sounds like Ryan's vote on this was simply because we were backed into a corner and this was the lesser of the evils available. It's like when the accident is about to happen and you have the choice of crashing into a brick wall or a row of bushes. Neither is a good choice, but there is a better choice of the two. He does come off as very smart on budget matters. I know he has a background in economics. The combination of Romney's business background and Ryan's economics background sound like a prescription for what is ailing us right now. Compare that to the community organizer and the carrier politician who lives with his foot in his mouth, and the choice seems as clear as can be. | ||
| Court |
Notpurple: If a guy is an orphan, drops out of school, starts a fruit and vegetable stand, grows it into a national grocery chain and sells it for $873 million at the age of 84 . .is he a twit? I need to know. How about a guy who pulls around a 29' trailer behind a 1939 Chevy, goes from transmission line project to project, has his wife do diapers in the chamois ringer in the Skelly station in St. John's, KS and works his ass of and retires at 52, selling his business for $63M so he can "spend the time with his grandkids he missed with his own kids". He a twit Data point: Neither ever bought a new car . . citing "a good 2 year old one works just as well and costs less". Tell me what makes a twit? Court | ||
| Fb1 |
He does come off as very smart on budget matters. I know he has a background in economics. The combination of Romney's business background and Ryan's economics background sound like a prescription for what is ailing us right now. Compare that to the community organizer and the carrier politician who lives with his foot in his mouth, and the choice seems as clear as can be. Indeed: America is in a financial mess. Which man seems better qualified to help lead us on the path to fiscal salvation? To put an even finer point on it: Which man seems more like a leader?? America, it's time for some R&R. (Message edited by fb1 on August 14, 2012) | ||
| Court |
By the way . . Barack Obama made $2,700,000 last year. Not bad for a guy holding down a $400,000 job. His wife did very well too . . . . even not able to work her $450,000 a year job any longer. Are Barack and Michelle twits? | ||
| Sifo |
Are Barack and Michelle twits? Yes they are. Not for being able to make money though. More for complaining that Michelle doesn't get paid for being First Lady. With the number of debates that Romney dealt with during the primary, he is certainly tuned up on his debating skills too. If the moderators are the least bit fair in how they run the debates, I think Romney will absolutely polish the floor with BO. They just aren't in the same class. Same thing for Ryan and Biden. It's sad they have such a limited debate schedule compared to the Republican primary. | ||
| Notpurples2 |
Holy hell... pull your panties out of a bunch. Romney comes off as a bit of an upperclass elitist of the "twit" variety. (I'm sure you'll say that the "liberal media" portray and promote that image... and there's truth to that.) I'd qualify the "upperclass twit" as someone who has been rich for most if not all of their lives and has lost touch with common people. Romney often comes off that way. He doesn't seem like an average guy. You don't get the feeling that he knows what it's like to live on less than $100M, much less under $100K. I think this is how alot of people feel. It's not his wealth, it's his demeanor. Bill Gates, a guy that could buy and sell Romney many times over, doesn't come off as a twit... he comes off as a rich nerd, a very generous rich nerd. Hell, George Bush was loaded, and there are many that say he was an elitist rich guy, but you wouldn't know it by watching him or listening to him talk. A big part of what got him elected was that he was way more likable than Gore. He was touted as "the candidate you'd want to have a beer with." Can you say that about Romney?... errr forgetting for the moment that he wouldn't actually drink alcohol. If you had to put Obama in the twit spectrum... I'd say he may be a bit of a liberal twit. An example of a extreme liberal twit (so far to the left you've lost touch) would be Bill Mahr or Micheal Moore... though with either of them you could swap the "i" for an "a". Anyway with the Olympics over and twit race to the Whitehouse in full stride... here are the Upperclass Twit Games (horse dancing not included) Note: Merriam defines "Twit" as a taunt or a silly/foolish person. I think it works for how I was using it; an "X twit" is soo "X" that he's a fool or sometimes comes across foolish. If there is a better term please share. Also, I originally used the term Twit cause it rhymes so well with Mitt, but I do think it fits well. (Message edited by notpurples2 on August 14, 2012) | ||
| Hughlysses |
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| Ft_bstrd |
I think between a sitting president with a 100% failure rate with a VP who isn't smart enough to pour piss out of a boot and a business man who has managed to be successful economically and a VP who is arguably one of the brightest folks in Washington, the choice is pretty clear. I'll GLEEFULLY pull the lever for some R&R! | ||
| Reindog |
Will you donate money and/or time to help R&R get elected? | ||
| Fb1 |
Will you donate money and/or time to help R&R get elected? I've done both; I'm set up to make an automatic monthly donation to R&R, and my efforts here on the board, while meager, mean lost income for me. I'm with Fatty: I'll GLEEFULLY pull the lever for some R&R! Poor Joe Biden (who perhaps isn't smart enough to not piss in his boot in the first place...), said this to the good folks of Danville, Virgina today:
You'll note that his remark went over like a popcorn fart in church. Not sure if his "chains" comment was before or after he told the good folks of Virginia:
Oops. Speaking of North Carolina, Mr. Biden spoke to the public in Durham, NC yesterday afternoon. According to Secret Service estimates, there were 660 people in the "crowd." One wonders how many were bussed in... | ||
| Court |
>>>>Will you donate money and/or time to help R&R get elected? You bet your ass . . . I have and will continue to. Won't impact me a heck of a lot but it damn sure will impact my Grandkids. I'm in. | ||
| Fb1 |
Tom, I get regular e-mails from the R&R team, including this nice note from Paul Ryan on Sunday:
I'd be thrilled to meet them. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
I sent money to Wisconsin and that race didn't directly affect me. Why WOULDN'T I send money to support a Presidential bid? As for time, I'd help if it were needed. TN is pretty much a lock. Wonder if WI isn't a lock too? | ||
| Fb1 |
Read the rest of the article here: http://patriotpost.us/opinion/14417 | ||
| Fb1 |
Followup article on Biden's comments to the good folks of Danville, Virginia today:
Read the rest of the article here: http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/08/14 /Biden-chains-Romney-response | ||
| Torquehd |
this Ryan guy should be running in Romney's place. just watched a few of his youtube videos, he seems very smart and a straight-shooter. | ||
| Hughlysses |
 This is not intended as serious commentary on the thread, I just thought it was very funny. | ||
| Sifo |
Ryan can have his turn in 2020.  | ||
| Aesquire |
Hughlysses, Love it. While reserving judgment on the R & R pairing, one thing does strike me as refreshing. Ryan is certainly NOT an "insurance" Vp choice. Looking at the last... oh, 4 vice presidents, we had Dan, No one wanted him to lead, Al, a policy wonk with a partly hidden messianic complex, Dick, who famously shot a lawyer in the face and had the lawyer apologize! ( though I feel the enemies of America were more afraid of Bush the younger passing the torch to Cheney... in some "undisclosed location" ) and now Joe. Does ANYONE here want Joe to be Prez? Didn't think so. Paul? I think a sizable percentage of Americans would actually prefer him to Mitt. That Is Change. | ||
| Hootowl |
Oh come on, haven't we all fantasized about shooting a lawyer in the face? | ||
| Drkside79 |
For what it's worth I LOVE this republican ticket. They actually found someone woman will hate more than Sarah. | ||
| Pkforbes87 |
http://www.theonion.com/articles/admit-it-i-scare- the-everloving-shit-out-of-you-do,29160/ When Mitt Romney selected me as his running mate, I knew the Democratic attack dogs would come out in full force. They would say I’m a right-wing ideologue. They would say my views on entitlement programs are far too radical. They would say putting me on the ticket immediately kills Mitt Romney’s chances of becoming president because I’m a liability. But if we’re being honest with each other—if we’re able to put aside the talking points for a few minutes and say what we’re all actually thinking and feeling—I believe we can acknowledge the real truth here. I’m young, I’m handsome, I’m smart, and I’m articulate. And that scares the ever-loving shit out of you. You can pretend like you have this thing in the bag, but you know good ••••••• well that this race just got real interesting, real fast. It’s okay to admit it. You’re frightened to death of me. It might actually be healthy for you to face your fears now rather than later, when Mitt and I are leading by a few points in the polls and it looks like this thing might end badly for you. Face it: I’m not some catastrophe waiting to happen, like a Sarah Palin or a Dan Quayle. On the contrary, you have the exact opposite fear. I’m a solid, competent, some might say exceptional, politician. Did you get nervous when you read that last sentence? Is it because you know in your heart of hearts that it’s 100 percent true? Is it because, even if you strongly disagree with my beliefs on Medicare, Social Security, women’s rights, and marriage equality, you know my talent as a speaker and my well-thought-out approach to these issues—no matter how radical and convoluted you find them—might just be enough to win over independent voters? Do you get chills just thinking about how strong my appeal actually is? I have another question for you: How scared are you that I can convince people I’m right? Because I’m good at it. No, I’m really good at it. You see, I know how to turn up the charm and charisma without putting people off. Then I back up what I’m saying with arguments that, when they come out of my mouth, sound completely accurate and well-reasoned. And I do it with such passion that people automatically recognize me as a man with deep convictions he will stand up for, no matter what. The American people love that shit. They love it. Passion, intellect, and a magnetic personality. Pretty damn intimidating combo, if I say so myself. You want to talk about polish? Man, I’ve got polish for miles. Oh, and by the way, I’ll go ahead and say this next thing because, if we’re being honest, why the hell not, right? In case you haven’t noticed, I’m white. Hoo, brother, am I white. Yup, you should be scared shitless of me, because guess who isn’t? The people of Wisconsin. They love me. Republicans and Democrats there love me. Hell, I get Democrats to vote for me even if my policies make zero sense when it comes to their livelihoods. Do you know why? Because they like me. They like my story. Young, good-looking kid who pulled himself up by his bootstraps to make something of himself. Christ, I'm a storybook candidate. I balance out this ticket so well it’s almost too perfect. The people of Ohio are going to think that. And seniors in Florida—the state we supposedly lost when Mitt picked me—won’t be so scared as soon they know that my mother lives in Florida, and that all I want to do is reform the health care system so she can receive care that makes good fiscal sense. Boy, I’m going to sell the shit out of that talking point. And I’m going to do a great job of it. Why? Because I’m Paul Ryan. That’s what I do. And if we’re having trouble getting Pennsylvania on board, just wait until I absolutely wipe the floor with Joe Biden in the vice presidential debates. Don’t think for a second that I don’t know you’re terrified of us facing off, because in the back of your mind you know it could be a bloodbath up there. Well, that’s 77 electoral votes, and by my math that means you can kiss your golden boy goodbye after four short years. All that promise. All that energy. All that potential. Gone in one November night. I’m your worst ••••••• nightmare. Oh, and by the way, don’t even try to pretend you haven’t imagined me being elected president one day.  | ||
| Court |
>>>They actually found someone woman will hate more than Sarah. That's exactly what most, Dems and Republicans thought . . . and . . .DAMN . . if the opposite is proving true in a big way. Women increased donations something like 3X since Ryan came on board . . . interesting. I'm going to volunteer, it's not enough to JUST send a check this election . . . . | ||
| Julie |
You must have a short memory. Paul Ryan has been in the U.S. House of Representatives since 1999. He's had almost 10 years of Republican majority to reduce the deficit - prior to Obama being elected. He's done nothing. He's just another career politician saying whatever he can to keep lining his pockets. | ||
| Xdigitalx |
He is gonna be the next VP..... and what had Obama done prior to his election to POTUS again I forget..... |
