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Thumper74
Posted on Wednesday, August 08, 2012 - 12:46 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I was pretty disturbed when I heard about the Sikh temple shooting. What a tool. I'm surprised that it someone didn't do it sooner in the past 11 years, but it's ignorant. I've never understood the supremecist movements.

Then today, the idiot without a CCW packing in a movie theater in Westlake, OH that does not allow CCW. I live near this theater and it's annoying. I hate idiots
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Hootowl
Posted on Wednesday, August 08, 2012 - 09:32 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

What pisses me off about the coverage is that he's been identified as a former military member. He was in for 6 years 12 years ago. Why not identify him as a former Jack in the Box employee? I don't know whether he worked at Jack in the Box, but surely you get the point. And from what I understand he was drummed out with an RE4. That means he was a shit bag and they didn't want him.
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Buellinmke
Posted on Wednesday, August 08, 2012 - 09:46 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


quote:

Aesquire said:
Initial, ( and probably wrong ) reports say he's a white supremacist.




Yeah, this guy isn't a white supremacist.




He's just another right-wing conservative battling the evildoers in order to return this country to what the founding fathers envisioned.
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Reepicheep
Posted on Wednesday, August 08, 2012 - 10:06 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


quote:

What pisses me off about the coverage is that he's been identified as a former military member. He was in for 6 years 12 years ago. Why not identify him as a former Jack in the Box employee?




Worse than that, they identify him in great specificity as former military with psy ops, but then don't mention (or don't mention with the same priority and clarity) that HE WAS FIRED AND GIVEN A LESS THAN HONORABLE DISCHARGE!

Seems like a relevant point.

I don't know the rules, is less than honorable the same as dishonorable? And is it similar to a felony conviction (meaning he lost his right to vote and own firearms?)
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Hootowl
Posted on Wednesday, August 08, 2012 - 10:34 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"He's just another right-wing conservative"

Nothing could be further from the truth.

The Nazi party was born in union halls. And I'm pretty sure racism knows no political party. There are racists everywhere. The left is rife with them. You could not design a more ruthless system of oppression than the one the progressives have developed for Black Americans over the last 100 years. Its success lies in the fact that the oppressed actually believe the progressives are trying to help them.

And you have to be careful throwing around terms like 'conservative' when comparing cultures and nationalities. In Russia, a conservative is a communist. In Germany, perhaps a conservative is a Nazi. But that doesn't translate to the US. In the US, a conservative is someone who interprets the constitution literally, as it is written and amended, and rejects supreme court decisions that are based on loose interpretations, misreadings, or complete fabrications.
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Reindog
Posted on Wednesday, August 08, 2012 - 11:15 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


quote:

He's just another right-wing conservative battling the evildoers in order to return this country to what the founding fathers envisioned.


OK...tell us what the founding fathers envisioned...if you are man enough.
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Chauly
Posted on Wednesday, August 08, 2012 - 12:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

And John Wayne Gacy was an Eagle Scout and a pretty good clown.
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Whatever
Posted on Wednesday, August 08, 2012 - 12:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

What we really need is a media blackout of all details of these cowardly morons that are perpetrating these mass killings on innocent and defenseless people... I am not for censorship, but if anyone with a brain were controlling major media, they really ought to get a MOU between all of them... it would kill the motive of "five minutes of fame" for these nutbaggers.

I really hope Lt. Murphy makes a full recovery. That and the Sikh leader who stoop up to this idiot, essentially un-armed... unless holding a butter knife counts, should be the focus of the media. Someone wants to know about the perps, let them file a FOIA request of court documents, which I think should also be sealed. The way the media feeds off of these things is a national discgrace...
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Bads1
Posted on Wednesday, August 08, 2012 - 12:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

FBI is still working on it but motive isn't clear.
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Buellinmke
Posted on Wednesday, August 08, 2012 - 01:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


quote:

There are racists everywhere. The left is rife with them. You could not design a more ruthless system of oppression than the one the progressives have developed for Black Americans over the last 100 years.




Lol! I guess these are the lefty progressives you're talking about:



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Hootowl
Posted on Wednesday, August 08, 2012 - 01:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yep. Southern Democrats.
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Hootowl
Posted on Wednesday, August 08, 2012 - 01:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The progressives are no friend of the black man.

Google the planned parenthood 'doctor' who was recently caught on tape bragging that he was ridding the world of a bunch of ugly black babies. Planned Parenthood was founded by a progressive woman intent on reducing the black population.

Generations of welfare and government policies that destroy families has taken its toll. Massive unemployment, very high percentage of out of wedlock births, fatherless children. It's insidious. And intentional.
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Reindog
Posted on Wednesday, August 08, 2012 - 01:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Still waiting on an answer. Your silence speaks loudly about who you are.
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Moxnix
Posted on Wednesday, August 08, 2012 - 01:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

>>>OK...tell us what the founding fathers envisioned...if you are man enough.

Gee, they did write it all down through documents, books and volumes of personal papers. It's all probably available on line. So, one can see for themselves, should there be a genuine question one wants answered.

>>> Your silence speaks loudly about who you are.

Have you ever let a call go to voicemail, then never returned it? Do you open every envelope, including junk mail, that arrives in your mail box?

Freedom of speech includes freedom to not speak. Especially to messages with opinions in disagreement with our own.

Click.
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Reindog
Posted on Wednesday, August 08, 2012 - 02:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Your voicemail analogy is incorrect.

Buellinmke has been spewing venom on Badweb for several days now, including insulting Court's wife for no reason. He makes disgusting assertions about conservatives as well as his statement about the Founding Fathers.

I am not cold calling but returning his trollish and boorish call.

I am just asking him to explain himself but he is simply a troll and not man enough to stand up.

(Message edited by reindog on August 08, 2012)
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Mnrider
Posted on Wednesday, August 08, 2012 - 02:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Both of these shooters lived alone and were depressed.
My brother got divorced a few years ago then got layed off,I was worried about him and called and stopped by to see him often.
We have to take care of each other folks depression can take it's toll on people.
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Whatever
Posted on Wednesday, August 08, 2012 - 02:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I agree with you Mnrider... unfortunately being a sociopath and/ or psychopath is rarely recognized by family members who are in complete denial... it is a rare instance, such as the Unab*mber, where a relative gets turned into authorities.

There are a lot of resources on-line for understanding mental health issues... including NAMI support groups for family members. Unfortunately, most people do not choose to educate themselves and take action accordingly.

When my boyfriend, who I loved dearly, killed himself... he shot his television set before over-dosing... it was nothing short of an "Act of God" that I did not become a casualty in his self destruction. I knew something was terribly wrong a day before it happened and I had the intuition to let him be. God only knows where that wisdom came from, because I don't.

Another issue I feel that has tainted people's consciousness is the internet.

As seen here on badweb, people constantly get into dis-respectful name calling, on a level they never would in person. We have become a nation of self absorbed, "anonymous" critics and bullies. From internet, to the roadways, to neighbors and strangers... we are continually taught that there will not be consequences for our actions.

I feel everyone is entitled to their opinion, but the national discourse has rapidly gone downhill in the last four years. It seems progress is marked by vehemence. I have nothing but respect for most people on here that disagree with me (Court is one of them)... but there are a select few that have kicked me repeatedly when I have been struggling... and I find it fairly reprehensible.

Does anyone really KNOW what will be the "straw that broke the camel's back"? Does anyone on here consider that they may be complicit in pushing someone too far, to the point where the person is pushed into complete despair, where they might hurt themselves or others?

NOPE.

And it isn't just badweb. Go to any major media site... click on "comments" and the denigration of the human condition is a constant. If you wouldn't say it to your neighbor, face to face, would you say to your on-line felllow human?

THINK BEFORE YOU POST!!!

Ok, I am done now.
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Hootowl
Posted on Wednesday, August 08, 2012 - 03:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"Go to any major media site"

Truth. The comments on major news sites are revolting. I don't even bother reading them any longer. Too much crap to wade through to get to the odd comment that is actually thoughtful and thought provoking. But I don't think badweb is that bad...
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Moxnix
Posted on Wednesday, August 08, 2012 - 04:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My bad, R-d.

Oops, I slipped. Luckily, I'll be out on the Bonneville Salt Flats for 10 day. Unfortunately, I've got a 4G hotspot. But, I'll try to keep my fingers still, or know what I'm typing about, anyway.

Cheers,
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M1combat
Posted on Wednesday, August 08, 2012 - 04:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

On that note... I used to think those reprehensible posts on major web sites must have been made by people who were 12.


Now I don't think so. I think it really is just your average Joe (No offense Joe : ) ).

I've been playing around with the internet since before it was called such, before there were "web browsers" and long before there were things like visual web sites or even DNS for those that know what that is. Back when we used to type "lol" to save bandwidth instead of typing...


Back then everyone was pretty cool. The "network" (no one had actually coined the name yet) was populated by a subset of the population of the world that understood how cool the whole thing was. Now... We drive along in our cars with access to the wealth of human information on the internet through our freaking phones and people just take it for granted... And use it to post some of the most hateful and stupid things I've never even thought a human should be capable of.

(Message edited by M1Combat on August 08, 2012)
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Mnrider
Posted on Wednesday, August 08, 2012 - 04:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Well said Char!
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Pwnzor
Posted on Wednesday, August 08, 2012 - 04:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Freedom of speech includes freedom to not speak. Especially to messages with opinions in disagreement with our own.

Perhaps then, think better of it and exercise that right from the get-go. Drive by insults belie cowardice and paint a very negative picture of the individual issuing them.

He insulted the man's wife. Way out of line.
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Aesquire
Posted on Wednesday, August 08, 2012 - 07:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Initial, ( and probably wrong ) reports.....

I stand by that statement. At the time written all I had was hearsay, off the radio, and we've recently been subjected to rampant, partisan speculation with ZERO facts to back them up, about murderous jerks.

The Main lefty media called the AZ shooter "tea party" before having any facts, at all, Turns out he was not. The Righty talk media was talking about the Batman killer, speculating with no facts that he dressed like a "occupy/neoanarchist" type.

You know, the professional red/anarchist crowds that wear masks, all black and break windows and loot during "peaceful" protests? They are organized, and dangerous. ( it's just a matter of time before some poor guy at a Starbucks gets showered with broken glass while reading his Iphone, Probably about & in sympathy to the protest, and turns to find a masked, screaming man with a club swinging it in his direction. Then blows him away. With complete justification, and near certain crucifixion in the press. )

Turns out the "joker" idiot was a bit Emo, but not an "occupy" guy.

Even when some mass murdering fiend is standing there with blood dripping off his teeth, the "media" will call him "alleged". They will cheerfully call him "tea party" or "conservative" or "occupy" with zero facts.

So I stand by my statement.

I also stand by my belief that supremacists, white, black, hutu, whatever, are idiots, and will actively denounce them.

I wonder if Buellinmke would denounce the Democrats in the pictures he posted? The party of the Klan. The party of slavery. The party of white supremacist belief that the "lesser races" need the firm guiding hand of their betters.

The folk who ordered the fire hoses turned on the crowds.

( to be fair, some with the other party are also racist. There must be some or how else could the D's be so good at keeping the "protected minorities" on the urban plantation? I mean, projects. )

we'll probably never know. He doesn't answer questions. I wonder about his integrity.
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Ferris_von_bueller
Posted on Wednesday, August 08, 2012 - 10:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The next couple of years ought to be real interesting.
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Johnnymceldoo
Posted on Wednesday, August 08, 2012 - 10:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Buellinmke has a point. The democrat party are the only ones that can care for and protect blacks against things like job requirements or educational requirements that blacks simply cannot match their white competitors and also important gun ownership. Democrats care so much about the black community they feel large black communities don't need the same constitutional freedoms white rural communities enjoy. Banning guns in the ghetto is social justice. Black America is so matt Damon and George clooney. Yea right. Wait till black America figures out wtf is going on.
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Cityxslicker
Posted on Thursday, August 09, 2012 - 12:03 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

ah I miss 14.4 and old BBS's

I remember at the same time that 'Dungeons and Dragons' were to be the end of us all as they were glorifying Satan and War mentality putting teens in fantasy's grip to act out the battle scenes in real life....
and then it was Heavy Metal Music...
and then it was Under Age Drinking and Peer Pressure
and then it was Crack/Crank/Meth
.....

the excuse is always at the door - nobody wants to look in the mirror and actually blame evil that is inherent in the perpetrator.
Who cares his motive beyond that he was evil.

but surely that would scare the sheep too much, so he couldn't be 'normal'.... he has to some how be malformed, or tainted and it HAS to be society's fault.
It is a lie that has been perpetuated entirely too long - starting with the first temporary insanity plea bargain.
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Buellinmke
Posted on Saturday, August 11, 2012 - 11:00 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


quote:

Yep. Southern Democrats.




Indeed Southern Democrats - the conservatives of the South. That was before Richard Nixon, Barry Goldwater, Lee Atwater and other Republicans converted the Southern Democrats to the Republican party with their Southern Strategy.


quote:

You start out in 1954 by saying, "Nigger, nigger, nigger." By 1968 you can't say "nigger"—that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is blacks get hurt worse than whites.

And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me—because obviously sitting around saying, "We want to cut this," is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than "Nigger, nigger".

- Lee Atwater, Republican National Committee Chairman, Ronald Reagan advisor, George H. W. Bush advisor




When the liberals were putting us in public housing and giving us welfare checks, the conservatives were lynching us and hanging us from trees. Which evil would you side with?
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Reindog
Posted on Saturday, August 11, 2012 - 12:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


quote:

conservatives were lynching us and hanging us from trees.



I am a Conservative, sir. You are engaging in hate speech and this will not be tolerated. Take your bile elsewhere.
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Hootowl
Posted on Saturday, August 11, 2012 - 12:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

What point are you trying to make with that quote? I guess I don't understand what he's saying. Need context.

"Which evil would you side with?"

Neither. They're both revolting.

I would put it to you that more black people have died as a result of the institutionalized oppression foisted upon them by liberals trying to "help", than were ever lynched in the south. You are rightly outraged by the treatment of blacks in the south those many years ago. Are you not also outraged at the conditions the progressives have created for black people today?
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Aesquire
Posted on Saturday, August 11, 2012 - 06:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

.. the conservatives were lynching us and hanging us from trees.

Your definition of Conservative is a bit twisted... In the old Soviet Union, a conservative wants the old communist dictatorship days.

In this context, the word Conservative means Democrat. the party of the Klan.

That myth that Nixon magically made all the Democrat rednecks Republicans is bogus. Bill Clinton's mentors and peers didn't change party, and they believe to this day that Barack should be getting them drinks, not running the country. Clinton said so, to Teddy Kennedy. Clinton's mentor was against the lesser races being allowed to vote. ( I'm pretty sure Bill was a bit more enlightened...in his public speech, at least. )

Not saying there are not redneck Republicans. Sure they are. The Klan is Still a solid Democrat institution. Didn't you notice the last admitted Kleagle in Congress just passed away? Didn't have an "R" after his name.

70% illegitimacy rate, highest percentage of population in prison, most likely to be murdered, highest unemployment rates, high government dependency. If you were a Democrat, racist and bound for the destruction of a people, what would you have done differently that was actually done for the last 50 years?

Which evil would you side with?

It's the same guys! If you don't really know that... dang you are ignorant.

You really believe that horsecrap? Seriously? Can I sell you a bridge?
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