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     Fb1 |
...and one capable of understanding what creating broad new executive powers out of whole cloth will do to the country over time. Reep, Mr. Obama understands exactly what he's doing to this country. His actions are very much by design, in my opinion. He's a failure any way you slice it (unless you're a fan of Marxism...), but his presidency takes on an entirely more ominous stench if you believe, like I do, that everything is going according to his plan. FB | ||
| Blake |
What FB said.
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| Sifo |
I see they are sending in the FBI to do a "parallel investigation". Looks like they are going in to Zimmerman's past to try to find evidence of past racism to make a case that this was racially motivated. It's kind of like investigating the past sex life of a rape victim to see if she may have been just a little to sexually permissive. This is really taking a disgusting turn IMO. http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/04/02/10983 757-fbi-questions-people-in-trayvon-martin-case-be gins-parallel-investigation BTW, I see MSNBC is still using a picture of Martin from when he was a kid. Sure don't want to show the picture with the gold grill being displayed. That just makes him look to Gansta'. Of course it would be truthful.  | ||
| Crusty |
I live in Massachusetts, and don't really care for Mitt. However, if you have nobody to vote for, then there's always someone to vote against. The President should never have given this case any acknowledgement whatsoever. Obama has done too many things that I don't like for me to vote for him. I wasn't quite positive which way I was going to vote (as I said, I've had to put up with Romney before), but this has pushed me into taking a stand. I won't be voting for Mr. Obama this fall. I still want to know who is profiting from turning a regrettable incident into a Racial Hate Crime. (Message edited by Crusty on April 03, 2012) | ||
| Moxnix |
Them belly full, but they hongry. ~Bob Marley | ||
| Sifo |
I still want to know who is profiting from turning a regrettable incident into a Racial Hate Crime. I think Aesquire has already made that quite clear in this thread. I completely agree with him. The poor black people certainly won't benefit. | ||
| Moxnix |
Our great prophet in the WH thought he could profit with his core, but as Van Jones said, he could come out as gay and still get every black vote. Federal legislation in the 1960s brought equality under the law to minorities. After that, it's all a matter of defining "justice" by people who believe the Constitution is a living document. It is what the man with a gored ox believes it to be, at the time and in the place his ox was perceived to be gored. | ||
| Sifo |
And let the killing begin... http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-04-02/new s/os-two-arrested-seminole-beating-20120402_1_vict im-arrest-affidavits-crimeline Odd how there is no mention of race in this story. None at all. And yes the victim is white. http://cofcc.org/2012/04/two-teens-beat-50-year-ol d-with-hammer-near-sanford-fl/ | ||
| Reepicheep |
New information about the "non existent injuries". The video was enhanced (likely done via pixel interpolation... you can't zoom forever like on CSI, but you can use statistical approaches to adjacent pixels and pixels over time and add a limited amount of additional detail to a video once). Doesn't look like a person who chased down and executed a kid. It looks like a guy that was fighting to remain concious in the middle of a fight (at which point, both practically and as a matter of law, he would be justified to believe his life was in danger). Image from Fox News...  I still don't know all the facts, just adding to what we know. I wouldn't feel compelled to do this if the other medial outlets weren't getting it SO wrong. | ||
| Sifo |
But anyone who bothered to read the police report already knew he was bleeding from the back of his head and his nose. | ||
| Fb1 |
I still want to know who is profiting from turning a regrettable incident into a Racial Hate Crime. Crusty: Mr. Obama is, of course. The folks who have never liked him, who didn't vote for him last time, still don't like him, and won't vote for him this time. No worries, he doesn't want or need my vote. However, the folks who now seem to be on the brink of rioting absolutely, positively, will be voting for The Chosen One come November. They have been, um, expertly re-motivated. This is precisely why he even spoke up on the matter, and, more importantly, why he said exactly what he said. "If I had a son, he'd look just like Trayvon." I think we can probably thank Mr. Axelrod for that can of gas (with some acting lessons on the side by Tom Hanks, perhaps?) The similarities, politically, between this incident and the Sandra Fluke dealio are striking, save for the fact that with his response to Ms. Fluke he was courting the female vote. Mr. Obama is perceived by some to be in over his head. Nothing could be further from the truth. Everything he says and does is cold and calculated. He MUST win reelection to finish his transformation of America, and he can't afford to let a good crisis go to waste, even if his people have to make them up from time to time. If/when Mr. Zimmerman is acquitted, I suspect America will be in for some very trying times re: the backlash. Could martial law and another federal gun-grab a la Hurricane Katrina, only national in scope instead of local, be far behind? We've had some bad presidents before, but Mr. Obama is different. His idea of America jibes not at all with the Founding Fathers' idea of America. If Mr. Zimmerman is ultimately never charged, or is charged and acquitted, one can only imagine the fires that will erupt in the aftermath. Fires already being carefully cultivated and fanned by Mr. Obama and his spin minions. For HIS benefit, certainly not for yours or mine. Best, FB | ||
| Fb1 |
Crusty, this is a good read and answers your question much better than I did:
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| Cowboy |
If mr zimmerman is let off and needs protection I may try to get him to my place, I feel I could protect him on the ranch,trying to get him here could become very expencive for the introuder, | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
Did I miss it in this thread, or has no one yet mentioned Zimmerman saying "F***ing Coon" on the tape? | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
Odd how there is no mention of race in this story. None at all. And yes the victim is white. http://cofcc.org/2012/04/two-teens-beat-50-year-ol d-with-hammer-near-sanford-fl/" been updated | ||
| Reepicheep |
It was mentioned hybrid, but I'm, not sure it was clear what he said. It sounded to me like "move" or "goons" not "coons". If anything, I think I heard a "t" in it, but I can't tell. It's poor audio. I heard that offensive term occasionally growing up in the midwest in 1975, but it would be pretty unusual to hear it today, even if your goal was to disparage a minority. There is a much more common term of disparagement. There is evidence on the tape that seems to contradict the hypothesis that Zimmerman was racially motivated. When asked to describe the suspect by the dispatcher, he didn't even offer up the race until specifically asked. Sure, he could go out of his way to hide his bias, but under those circumstances it seems incredibly unlikely that would have avoided that subtle a slip up. Worth asking the question, but far from a smoking gun. And I'm not even sure it's germane at the end of the day. Would it have been OK for Martin to assault Zimmerman for being a suspicious bigot? If Zimmerman "executed" Martin, how come Zimmerman has such obvious and serious injuries to the back of his head? So that just leaves pretty much the only possibility in Martin's favor that he was pursued by Zimmerman, felt *his* life was in danger, and fought for that reason (in which case, had Zimmerman died from his head injuries, that same "stand your ground" law would then have been protecting Martin). The most reliable recorded evidence and eyewitness testimonies seem to suggest Zimmerman walked away as directed by the dispatcher. I appreciate the factual discussion... you raised a valid point. | ||
| Hootowl |
"And I'm not even sure it's germane at the end of the day" "The Got-damn Germans got nothin' to do with it" ~Buford T Justice Thought I'd inject some levity. | ||
| Guell |
I heard that offensive term occasionally growing up in the midwest in 1975, but it would be pretty unusual to hear it today, even if your goal was to disparage a minority. There is a much more common term of disparagement. come on down to the south, I've heard it plenty so it wouldn't surprise me to hear someone else say it too. It's not right, but people still say it | ||
| Fast1075 |
In 1970 a 13 year old student was beat senseless over his lunch money in our school. This led to some shall we say, "civil unrest". As I was walking from my last class to the parking lot to get on my Honda 90, I was accosted by a gang of three. These were guys that were 19 and 20 years old yet still seniors in high school. I was maybe 4'10" and 85 pounds or so. I ended up with a broken nose, fractured right eye orbit, broken index finger and a cracked rib. Jump forward a few years. In a robbery at work, I was pistol whipped and suffered a concussion and contusions. Today, if someone decides I might be an easy mark, I will use lethal force. It is as simple as that. | ||
| Court |
I was sitting in front of a friends house after a church youth group meeting when Terry Cushinberry and Gary Farrell emptied a Remington 1100 12ga into my sister, me and 5 others friends. Chris was in a coma for 3 days. Changes ya forever. | ||
| Blake |
Hybridmomentspass Posted on Tuesday, April 03, 2012 - 03:23 pm: Is what you just asserted (Zimmerman said "F***ing Coon") true, or mere conjecture? | ||
| Court |
Let me ask a question . . . . What could a person say that is sufficient justification to take a gun and shoot a person in the face? Just give me the words or the phrase? I'm curious as it came up when I was on the witness stand. | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
It sure sounds like the word "coon" could be good, but has a very 'ka' sound at the beginning. Not knowing how the man talks, who knows, its just that I've seen many people talking about it on other sites, thought that I'd ask here. I want to add that i am not bringing that up because I am pro-Trayvon, or anti-Zimmerman. | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
Court I dont think there is any word(s) in the world that could justify those actions. I hate to ask, but curious if your sister or the others were killed in the shooting. Its terrible that you had to go through that, I know just being in a room with a man with a gun threatening to kill you all is quite terrifying, I can not imagine the trigger actually being pulled. You should write a book. Well, another book  Autobiography. Due to what youve mentioned on here, you've led quite an interesting life, I think it'd do well (the book). | ||
| Blake |
You didn't answer my question. Is what you just asserted, that Zimmerman said "F***ing Coon", true, or mere conjecture? | ||
| Blake |
Court, It would be a severe scenario for sure and would require more than just words. Some real threat of attack would be needed. If a person was brandishing a lethal weapon and blatantly verbally threatened me or my family, such as saying something like "I'm going to kill you", and I or family was in range of him and his weapon, I'd have no problem ending the threat. But no weapon, no assault, then no reason to shoot. | ||
| Chauly |
Blake, I think he was asking from the other point of view. "Is there anything one could say that should provoke an armed assault on oneself?" A variation of the "Sticks-and-Stones" verse. In a word: No. | ||
| Prior |
Not knowing how the man talks, who knows, its just that I've seen many people talking about it on other sites, thought that I'd ask here. Have you listened to the 911 call tapes? They are all out there for you to create your own assumptions and theories. | ||
| Arbalest |
I don't believe Zimmerman is a racist, but I do believe there may have been some racial profiling at work when he decided that Trayvon was up to something. That is also not necessarily a problem. The problem comes when the police advise Zimmerman not to follow Trayvon, but he continues to follow Trayvon. Put yourself in Trayvon's place. You have just been to the local Mini-Mart to get some goodies. On your way to your dad's house some guy starts following you. After deciding that he is actually following you, you confront him. A struggle ensues. You get shot. I am sorry, but that does not pass the straight face test for EITHER the Stand Your Ground law OR self defense. You cannot instigate a confrontation, kill the guy and then claim self defense. | ||
| Sifo |
Here's the complete tape for all to listen to. If someone can pick out the "F***ing Coon" comment please let us know where on the tape to listen for it. |
