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     Reindog |
The "President 0" thread is polluted with the Martin case so this thread is for discussion pro/con about this issue. So I'll start. The media (newspapers and tv) have been bombarding us with a several years old picture of a much younger, clean cut, Martin. This is obviously an attempt to garner sympathy for Martin. There is now an alleged picture of Martin from his Twitter account that is not quite flattering to put it nicely. I am holding off posting it here as it might be yet more disinformation that streams in from both sides. However, I doubt Obama would have opened his big mouth if he had seen this new photo in the first place. MediaMatters smeared Drudge because of this picture but has already backed away from its accusation and apologized. from Media Matters
This is smelling more and more like the Duke Lacrosse Case. The rats and vermin tried to lynch those boys and slithered away when the truth of daylight shone upon them. We are vectored in a similar direction. The media except for Fox News, is tainted. | ||
| Froggy |
Yet Fox is the one guilty of photo shopping pictures of Dems/liberals to make them less appealing. Two wrongs don't make a right. | ||
| Garryb |
How could there be anyone more ethical than rupert murdoch and fox? http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/murdochs-s candal/?utm_source=GoogleAds&utm_medium=Keyword&ut m_campaign=MurdochsScandal | ||
| Reindog |
Please comment on the media in relation to the Martin case or get yer own thread. Thanks. | ||
| Orman1649 |
If the guy that shot him was 100% latino it would probably be a non-issue. Every story I read make a point to state that his father was white so the guy must be a racist. We will probably never know the real story. There is so much spin going on in the media on BOTH sides its insane. Did the kid deserve to die? Probably not….do we need protests in Seattle…no. I don't need my gun rights infringed on either. | ||
| Garryb |
Sorry, its just when you said: The media except for Fox News, is tainted. Well, it just..., oh never mind | ||
| Notpurples2 |
I don't know all the facts (nobody does) but now I'm scared to wear my hoodie out at night. Seriously, Rush was talking about the "hoodie" thing today. Apparantly, according to Rush, it's called a "hoodie" because hoods wear them... guess it's got nothing to do with that extra material flapping from the back of the collar. He also attacked Obama's campaign because they have a Obama 2012 hoodie for sale. He must have forgot that they sold Obama hoodies in 2008 or that Romney also has a "Believe in America" hoodie... you know for all the republican hoods and gangmembers. As always the crap coming from both sides is mostly ridiculous. The case is suspicious and should be reviewed but that doesn't mean Zimmerman was a cold-blooded killer. Martin wasn't a squeeky clean innocent kid but that doesn't mean he deserved to be killed. (Message edited by notpurples2 on March 27, 2012) | ||
| Reindog |
garryb, What do you think of the incessant display of the years old picture of Martin everywhere you look? Do you find it disingenuous that there appears to be more recent photos of Martin? Yes, I knew in advance that the mere mention of FoxNews would be chumming the water. Some people never disappoint. | ||
| Notpurples2 |
If this had just been two teenagers that got into a fight cause one was following the other and it led to a shooting do you think they would have just let the survivor go? Not saying it's one way or the other but the case did need to be reviewed. Oh, and the "New" Black Panthers need to be charged with something for offering a reward for the "capture" of Kimmerman. Conspiracy to commit assault, kidnapping, maybe even murder?? There has to be some law against that. (Message edited by notpurples2 on March 27, 2012) | ||
| Garryb |
If I was armed, and my gun out, and had been tailing this kid at a distance for quite a while, he isn't going to beat the sh-t out of me while he's unarmed. Especially if I was a watch captain. Just saying... | ||
| Garryb |
And you can like fox news all you want. But they were showing palm trees during their coverage of the Madison demonstrations. Don't treat me/us like I'm stupid, I have some understanding of Rupert and fox | ||
| Sifo |
If I was armed, and my gun out, and had been tailing this kid at a distance for quite a while, he isn't going to beat the sh-t out of me while he's unarmed. Especially if I was a watch captain. Just saying... OK, so you are saying it didn't happen that way. I haven't seen anyone saying it did happen that way. What are you saying? | ||
| Garryb |
I'm confused; Wasn't he armed,and didn't he claim he killed an unarmed kid in self defense after following him for quite a while? | ||
| Buelltoys |
I agree the kid probably didn't deserve to die. Zimmerman probably was wrong to be following him and not just letting the cops do their jobs. The whole incident should have never happened. Living in an area where I am a minority being white I understand a lot of the issues that can come up with the way you want to protect yourself with concealed carry weapons. They better not try to take mine because if needed I will use. The thing I don't get is: A. The incident happened on 2/26/12, the protesting started what (3/19/12). Three weeks after the shooting?? This seems to be just I want to make a point because it is election year or something. B. His mother is now asking for his name and ways of putting his name in remarks as trade marks. Seems to me like she is using the death of her son to become rich. C. The whole issue has come about because of social media at it's best. If he was acting in self defense and has evidence to prove it then good. If he did not then he should be convicted. The media is going to play both sides. If people want justice let justice prevail and not media win the battle. Must be something with Florida justice. First the Anthony case now the Martin case | ||
| Sifo |
I'm confused; Wasn't he armed,and didn't he claim he killed an unarmed kid in self defense after following him for quite a while? The details have been covered quite well in the President 0 thread if you want to inform yourself. Or just Google it. Or you can stay confused. | ||
| Sifo |
Must be something with Florida justice. I see the FL justice system doing exactly what it should have in this case. (The anthony case too. The jury screwed the pooch on that one.) Due to media pressure they are taking a second look at it. I hope they don't do a joke trial just to placate the media. | ||
| Crusty |
It seems that the facts are taking a long time to come out.There are local police, State Police and even Feds investigating this shooting. No arrests have been made. I see that the kids parents were fast to throw the Race card. There are large demonstrations happening all over the country. And nobody is forthcoming with the facts. So. Who benefits from all this; and how? If the case is as distorted as it seems to be, who's making a pile of dough? | ||
| Darth_villar |
Mob justice is justice right? Garryb, (This is assuming the article was accurate, which it may very well NOT be) Zimmerman was armed. He trailed Martin and called the police. After a while he lost track of Martin, and decided to go back to his SUV. On his way back Martin confronted him, they exchanged words (which did not seem inflammatory coming from Zimmerman) and then Martin assaulted him. Punching him, which sent Zimmerman to the ground, then bashing his head against the ground. Zimmerman cried for help, then eventually fired a single shot into the chest of Martin. Whether or not it was a good idea to follow Martin, this is CLEARLY self defense. And I see no way (presented with this information, if it is true), that Martin's death can be construed any other way than 100% lawful self defense. | ||
| Harleyelf |
He'll get a trial, and show off his scars and photos of his injuries, and be found guilty of some lesser offense. The 140-pound kid shouldn't have tackled him from behind but may have believed he was about to get a weapon (baseball bat, etc.) out of his truck. Pity the kid can't testify. The homeowners' association is going to have a big lawsuit on their hands for letting their neighborhood watch captain do his thing armed. | ||
| Reindog |
Obama has cashed in and is seeking votes with his unwise and uncalled for pronouncement which tampers with the case. This will backfire on him and he will lose Independents if the cities burn this summer due to race riots. Crusty, nice to see you chiming in. Hope you are on the mend. | ||
| Buelltoys |
I agree Sifo. The media is winning in this one so far. I don't know who's story is correct but with what I have read in the media what Zimmerman did was justified. If he was indeed walking away from the person and Martin took the first punch then the cops did the right thing. I just think the Media is trying to make the story more then what it is because too many people have taken the poor kid and race card out. I believe in the Chicago area around the same time frame as this case there were something like 6 deaths. 3 of them were children killed by drive by shootings. But this is ok since it happened in Chicago so no one cares. It would be a nothing case if it would have been two white or two blacks involved also. | ||
| Aesquire |
I don't know what happened. I no longer trust any "news" show to tell me, until the police reports are published. ( and I won't believe a thing the Attorney General says, having watched him lie under oath. ) At least some of the pics on the web are not the people they purport to be. Beware of trolls stirring things up. For example, supposedly the shot guy had been arrested for smoking pot. So? The President snorted Cocaine. And smoked pot. Inhaled too. Not a reason for disliking someone. 70+% of people in this country have done some recreational drug or another in their lives. Most quit. Everyone is dumb at age 14. It's a fact. I only KNOW one thing. Evil people are using this to gain power. Do not support them, unless you want evil people to be in power, in which case, I'm not to fond of you either. | ||
| Garryb |
Ok, I'll bite, how do you define evil. Is intentional voter suppression in a democracy evil? http://www.bradenton.com/2012/03/09/3926653/florid as-voter-suppression-law.html Is Rupert Murdochs proven corrupt empire evil? http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/murdochs-s candal/?utm_source=GoogleAds&utm_medium=Keyword&ut m_campaign=MurdochsScandal | ||
| Buelltoys |
I also like how this is a neighborhood watch thing. Not looking at facts or media. Put yourself in Zimmermans shoes. You have a concealed carry permit (as I do and many others) you are walking in your neighborhood and see someone you do not know. You follow then to see as you are walking on a nightly walk. That person comes and confronts you. what do you do? Let them beat you to a pulp? Kill you if they have a gun or take action yourself? I know what I would do. When I was a kid in my home town I had many times where I was confronted going into neighborhoods where they did not know me. You explain your reason for being there and move on. You don't make it a physical altercation. It is a sad situation that should have ended differently. I conceal carry in my car and person for the reason of self defense. I don't go out looking like possibly Zimmerman did but let the evidence talk not the media. | ||
| Just_ziptab |
Jan Morgan:I made a post earlier today on the exploitation of the Trayvon Martin case. In response, black people have come on this page spewing hate and death threats at me when all I have presented are straight facts, not about the Trayvon Martin case but about their own race and challenged them to re-direct their passion and energy to solving real issues that are truly harmful to their young people and race... Apparently the truth hurts.. and its easier to line up like blind sheep behind Jackson, Sharpton, and the Black Panthers. Go ahead, bury your head in the sand and wallow in your bitterness and hatred.. See how far that gets you in life. I challenge black people to look at the real issues that are oppressing their race.. It is not white people.. It is your own actions among your own race. Until you face that, you will never overcome. Here is the post I made earlier today... the real issues that deserve your attention, resources and passion. POST: I do not know all the facts of the Trayvon Martin shooting.. I will leave that for a grand jury to investigate.. HOWEVER, THIS I DO KNOW.. * Every year THOUSANDS of black children and teens are shot/murdered by black people in street gangs. * Millions of black children are being raised in by unwed mothers on welfare * Millions of black children go to bed each night hungry because the adults responsible for their care used grocery money to buy drugs and alcohol * Hundreds of thousands of black children don't finish school because no one in their lives cares enough to help them. * Thousands of black teen girls will become pregnant this year with no means of supporting a baby and will become dependent on the government. TO JESSIE JACKSON, AL SHARPTON, THE BLACK PANTHERS and all black people who are exploiting the Travon MOMENT and turning it into a MOVEMENT, I ask you this: "Where is YOUR OUTRAGE over the real issues affecting MILLIONS of young black americans? Why don't you focus on the real problems in your race rather than inventing a fictitious "all whites are against blacks" race war over one shooting?" -JAN MORGAN | ||
| Aesquire |
Evil is causing unnecessary harm to another. Not being up on the Florida "Voter Supression" case, I'd need more data, from other sources, to make a judgment. A Jesuit would go on about intent... but I'm a little less philosophical about such things. An action that leads to harm, with the best of intentions.... you know what road is paved by them.... On Rupert, he's probably as evil as Ted, who is waiting on his Buffalo ranch for you to turn cannibal as global warming kills all the food not on his property. Pretty sure he's got a weapons cache and paid mercs to guard him as civilization falls. Seriously, Murdoch seems like a jerk. If the allegations that he used his empire to crush opponents is true, that is evil. Bear in mind I think most "big press" types are borderline, at best. Preaching envy and hatred to gain power is evil. Simple as that. If you take various speeches from the current Prez. about "rich people" "Fatcat bankers" etc. you can find very very similar speeches dating from the turn of the century, ( leading to the Soviet Union and hundreds of millions murdered ) and the 1930's ( leading to the third Reich and tens of millions murdered ) Exploiting the death of this teen for political gain is evil. I thought I heard a quote from a politician running for Barack's job, that I would also qualify as evil exploitive rhetoric, but I was driving and have not read the quote. If you have an example, I'll be happy to denounce that politician as a pile of feces. Please. I want to make sure I vote against someone who does that kind of crap. I expect you would want to also. | ||
| Blake |
>>> Is intentional voter suppression in a democracy evil? Voter suppression would be evil. America is a republic, not a democracy. >>> Is Rupert Murdochs proven corrupt empire evil? You've divorced yourself from integrity with that false characterization. Apparently you're talking about the dust-up in England over tabloid corruption in hacking into people's cell phones. To contend that the issue rises to the level you imply is nothing but dishonest. Did the corruption at CBS News which was orchestrated by Dan Rather and crew in a blatant attempt to influence the 2000 presidential election ever register on your radar? In comparison, the phone hacking scandal is a joke. | ||
| Blake |
Zimmerman is a registered Democrat. | ||
| Notpurples2 |
What has Obama done that was wrong? Wasn't he answering a direct question about the case? He said that he thought it need to be thoroughly examined not that Zimmerman need to be convicted or even arrested. He showed sympathy for a family that lost their teenage son. Just asking how that is exploitive? It's not like he held a press conference on the issue. | ||
| Thumper74 |
I see some manipulation here. The picture on ABC News shows Martin normally, but Zimmerman seems to be in an orange jumpsuit. If it's as Zimmerman described, it's justified. I'm REALLY interested to find out if/when they charge him with a racially motivated crime. I had someone in class argue that minorities can't be racist... |
