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     Alchemy |
>>Nonsense.<< Nope - he's correct. Agree strongly. When one first gets into amateur radio as a neophyte the older greybeards will lay out the guidelines of civil conduct and discourse on a worldwide basis and it starts with avoiding discussions of religion or politics. These social rules serve to keep amateur radio fun and help build a strong community among an extremely diverse worldwide population over many many decades. The Buell riding community has strong community with a sense of fun and respect and I hope that can be kept. | ||
| 46champ |
The only one of those people that has a bike that I know is Palin. | ||
| Chauly |
I can't resist... Newt: Goldwing Lehman Conversion Romney: Pacific Coast PC800 (alternatively, a Polaris Victory 8-Ball) Paul: Royal Enfield Bullet (Carburated, of course) Santorum: Polaris "Victory" (he hopes) Obama: BMW w/ sidecar (but he'd make the rest of us ride Urals!) Palin: (see picture)  | ||
| Sifo |
I've got to say that BW has been a great place to get entertained and informed. The incredible breadth of knowledge that is shared is simply fantastic. To limit that to strictly motorcycle info would simply kill the enjoyment for me. Honestly I would seldom check it out anymore. I know how to reset my TPS, I like my tires and already use the best oil known to mankind. | ||
| Chauly |
Since this is a Buell Board after all: Newt: '96 S-1 (looks cool, but impractical) Romney:S-3T Paul: RR1000 Santorum: M2, but running on powdered PA coal. Obama: Blast! Palin: Uly (also with skis!) | ||
| Sifo |
If BO were to ride a motorcycle I have little doubt it would be a Zero. | ||
| Geedee |
polˇiˇtics 6. (used with a sing. or pl. verb) The often internally conflicting interrelationships among people in a society.  | ||
| Froggy |
Ain't that, because it happens year round. Only really started right around the previous presidential election season, then it blew up after Obama took office.
Not always easy, part of the reason I went and put (Political) in the some subjects was because it was getting annoying with being mislead. "Whats next?" Oh must be about EBR this weekend. Wrong. I do for the most part ignore the political discussions, they are often unproductive and are just full of ranting and calling people "libtards" and other insults. It makes me not want to participate because I am clearly not welcome because I like free pizza.
I agree, I have mentioned before that having it as a subtopic under the quickboard, and allowing people to start threads in there that they know will be hot topics would resolve the issue.
As someone who has the entirety of Badweb delivered to his email inbox, I can tell you I've been getting more emails as of late about what Bill Mahar said than about how many bearings have failed on Ulys. I have no way of easily counting what is and what isn't a political post to try and see if your theory is right or wrong, I can tell you just from eyeballing it that a good percentage of what comes in my inbox is political. A look at the recent posting logs shows that you FB1 have posted more than Blake and I combined, and several times more than the next closest guy.
I am sorry to hear that has happened to you. I don't really mind the political threads, it is just the volume of them. You open the quickboard and are bombarded with president did this, some other senator did that. On the quickboard, the ratio of politics:everything else is terrible. One good thread discussing grills, half a dozen about the president.
Going with my previous statement, how many threads are there about photography? How many about pizza? How many about a sport? What about some home improvement suggestions? They all pop up once in a while and give some variety, but you can always count on some massive thread bashing Obama to be right at the top, then another one a few lines down, and another one below that. Again, I don't want to take away from anyones ability to discuss, but I feel there is enough volume of posts to warrant the subsection for it, similar to how I made a charging system subsection in the 1125board to keep things together better.
That is not entirely correct. The board automatically archives a thread after a new one is created. If you make a new thread right now about car trouble, the thread that is right above the archive links will get eaten up. Threads on the quickboard typically get archived after about 2 or 3 weeks of not being posted in, this is a very short period of time, compared to most other sections where a thread will sit on the front page for a few months. Carry on  | ||
| Sifo |
You could move the Riding Game thread to the Backfire board. That way it won't get bumped for about forever.  | ||
| Guell |
That is all i hear in those political threads. | ||
| Fb1 |
Which proves.............?? Thanks for the lesson on how BWB works. I'm tied with Blake for the most tenure here; I had a hand in creating this place back in '98. I've had custodial privileges for much of that time, too, so I've got a decent idea of how this place works from a mechanical aspect. I'm not the e-whiz kid you are, but I've been around the block a couple times more than you have. Take that for what it's worth. YOU annotated the political threads? Unilateral move on your part, or with Blake's endorsement?
As I type, there are 291 active threads on the Quick Board, and all but a handful are non-political. And yet, you're trying to convince me that we have a problem here on BadWeB with the ratio of political threads. Stunning. There are 29 parent pages on BWB's main page, the majority of which are vibrant with active threads, with ZERO talk of politics. Each one of these parent threads - Knowledge Vault, Storm Fronts, Tale Section, Buell Racing & More, 1125R Superbike Board, Big, Bad & Dirty, Old School Buell, THUMPer Forum, XBoard, and the Classifieds, to name most of the "biggies" - is active, vibrant, and 100% politics-free. And yet....you (and others) complain about a topic here on the QB as important as the future of our country. Here, let me put it another way. I just copied this from the top of the QB parent page:
Hmmmmm, I must be missing the "NO POLITICAL THREADS!" warning. I've kept my mouth shut today, save for posting some additional quotes on the Founding Fathers thread. I've waited for Blake to point the way - this is his board, after all. I've seen no statements from him, but have noticed he's posted on several of the political threads today. This seems to indicate approval to carry on. I don't expect Tom/Tnxbrider to post up again. He made his point, and he helps fund this place, so I showed him the proper amount of respect in my earlier post, and will continue to do so. Still, describing patriotism as "shit" seems kinda harsh. He may not care about what's happening to our country, but I do. So to you, Froggy: Unilateral move on your part labeling all the political threads? Does BWB REALLY needs this kind of parental oversight? Is this some sort of social "hope and change" thing? And help me to understand, based on the ratio of non-political vs. political threads on the QB, where a "half a dozen [threads] about the president" compared to almost 300 threads in total, constitutes a crisis. Blake, you need to weigh in, amigo. I'll respect your decision, but it needs to be YOUR decision, not a rogue custodian. IMO. FB | ||
| Griffmeister |
Froggy, where do you get free pizza?  | ||
| Froggy |
For someone that claims there isn't much political discussion, you are one of the ones posting most of it.
I did it on my own, it wasn't the first time it was done either, there were similar complaints years ago before I was a custodian and some thread titles were changed and it was a general curiosity for the original poster to label the thread as such when it was being made. Lasted a few weeks then everyone seemed to forget.
Really? There are 113 active threads on the quickboard, which are the threads above the archives. For some reason a bunch of old threads are stuck in a purgatory and aren't being archived, but you can see that most of them are dated in 2011. Out of the 113 threads, I count 31 political threads, and 3 that are semi-political. Thats about 30% of all threads created on the quickboard being of political nature. On these 113 threads, there are 9310 posts all together (3800 posts in the Riding Game, which was dead before this thread revived it, so 5510 posts otherwise). On the political/semi political threads only, that total is 2338 posts. 2338 of 5510(or 9310) posts on the quickboard are politics related. Stunning indeed. Link to the quick speadsheet I made - https://skydrive.live.com/redir.aspx?cid=1fe925906 4e0ee5f&resid=1FE9259064E0EE5F!1986&parid=1FE9259064E0EE5F!1813&authkey=!AKdFbin boThWjjY
Neither of those statements are true. I've seen politics from time to time on the various other boards, but it is rare, and to call some of those sections active is being generous. The 1125board is plenty active, BB&D sees fair share of activity, but the xboard is slow these days, and the old school section is at times even worse. The KV, Storm Fronts, Racing, and Thumper sections usually only one have one active thread going on if anything at all. The classifieds isn't a discussion section.
Where did I say that?
Where did I say I want that?
I did it this time, but I wasn't the first. This thread made me realize how many I missed, gonna have to spend a few minutes to take care of that.
At times yes it does. Overall everyone on here is great, so it is rare these days I need to enter the admin control panel if it isn't to bump an archived thread.
You wouldn't respect me because I did a little housekeeping renamed a few thread titles to make the site easier to browse? Harsh. Like I said before, I have no problem with the political threads, just given how nearly half the active posts on the quickboard are in political topics, I feel they need to have their own subsection. Nothing more nothing less. | ||
| Froggy |
Bit a joke, I believe it was Reindog that mentioned something along the lines of Dems would promise the poor free pizza to get votes. That said, I'll buy you some pizza next time we meet up | ||
| Johnnymceldoo |
It needs to be talked about when a huge portion of the media and politicians run a false flag operation like Sandra fluke because the record of this administration is so bad that they need to deceive Americans and get focus off of their record. SNL won't talk about it. John Stewart won't talk about it. Brian Williams won't talk about it. Hollywood won't talk about it they are too busy making animated kids shows demeaning capitalism with lorax or making a pro Obama movie or an anti Palin movie. We are just supposed to be quiet about the astronomical bias and hypocrisy? | ||
| Johnnymceldoo |
In 2006 unemployment rates were half of what they are now and GDP was better as well and the media couldn't remind us ENOUGH how stupid our president was and what the body count in Iraq/Aphganistan was. Things are so ridiculous and upside down there aren't enough words to describe it. | ||
| Slaughter |
OK so there's sin in the world, and we're gonna end sin by going to the foursquare church and talk about it? | ||
| Cyclonedon |
it's a motorcycle forum! NOT a political vent forum!!! Since I started coming here this forum has been going downhill and I don't see it stopping anytime soon either. I use to look forward to coming home to check out what's new and read about different motorcycle adventures that was going on here, but that really doesn't happen anymore. It's all political these days and it gets old quick too! Every four years we have a presidential election and all you read or hear about is all the mud slinging that goes on between the two parties. Both parties are guilty for all the crap campaigning that goes on because the more crap you put out there, the better chance some of it will stick. I don't buy any of it and if I want to know if something is true or not, I'm sure as hell not going to get my information off a motorcycle forum or at a biker bar!!! If anybody want to read a great tread, go back to the tread when Ferris test rod a 2006 Ulysses from East troy back to California. Now that was when this place was hoping with fun and excitement, not a bunch of @@s holes sitting around and bitching about the president or some other politicians. I can only hope you people get your lazy asses away from the computer and go out and do some motorcycle riding this summer. | ||
| Reindog |
Umm... well, yeah. How else does one accomplish change? Once again, we ALL owe Jerry Haughton a big thank you bringing thoughtful, open, and a POLITE call for debate as well as his constant display of PATRIOTISM. Any name calling has dropped substantially since he stepped up to the plate. These are important times and we are losing our Liberty. It is TOTALLY APPROPRIATE to discuss these issues from the mountain top, from the lowest valleys, and yes, from one corner of a motorcycle bulletin board dedicated to ANY thoughtful and respectful topic. It is illuminating to read the opposing viewpoint as it is a microcosm of how the Left is hell bent on speech suppression. One more time: don't like it? Don't open the thread and read it. I LOVE opening these threads. Froggy: We are ON for that pizza the next time we get together! I tried to get you to my friend's SuperBowl Party in NYC but didn't hear back from you. Court and Vicky were there and we had a grand time even though we were totally surrounded by Uber Liberals. Cats and dogs really can live together. Even on QuickBoard. | ||
| 86129squids |
What Don said. It has become ENTIRELY predictable. If it involves politics, that is. I've followed some thoughtful threads involving religion- but the political ones depend on nothing but sheer dogma. I've come to appreciate the QB for the variety of topics, humor, weirdness, wackiness, and good info. I've lately come to depreciate it for the routine political crap. I vote, and I care about the good ole USA, and I happen to believe that the way forward is NOT SOLELY the domain of the political "right". So shoot me. That said, I don't come to the Badweb to vote, or to discuss politics, on occasion I enjoy a good debate about religion or off-color jokes (sorry again Blake...  ) Thanks Frogs, for doing your part in keepin it real, keepin it MORE about Erik and the Elves, motorcycling, general nuttiness and good living, and LESS about routine, daily political obsessiveness. Group hug time, or better yet, group gathering around a campfire, with beers and brats. THAT is a place that somehow, mystically, seems pure from the influence of political rants. Amen. And- Don't be messin with Tom. He's good peeps, 100%, and I got his back... | ||
| Reindog |
Huh??????????????? Have the many referenced charts and tables based on FACT missed your attention? Ft. Bastard and Sifo in particular merit a thank you for building cogent arguments. Cool. Some come to QB to appreciate political give and take. Cool. No one is forcing you to. Again some DO come here to discuss politics. Personally, I do NOT come here to discuss religion but I would never try to suppress what floats your boat. What are you talking about? | ||
| Slaughter |
OUTSIDE the church... think outreach, think mission. We can spend HOURS of thoughtful discussion on a sportbike board and at most will convert what, 5 heathen to the faith? | ||
| Blake |
I like the political threads. We did at one time agree to label them to assist those who are troubled by them. I don't think it's productive or a positive thing to argue about forum policy in public. I like the political threads and very much support and appreciate my friend Gerry's efforts. | ||
| Reindog |
Thanks, Steve, for proving my point. | ||
| Reindog |
The Captain has spoken. It is good practice to not label an obviously political thread with a misleading title. Try to be sensitive that not all Badwebbers appreciate political banter so be respectful. Y'all are big boys and can avoid subjects that don't interest you. Carry on, Buellers. Get ready for the renaissance of the Erik Buell spirit. I know I am. | ||
| Oldog |
Hey Frogs I probably will take the Cue and add Political in brackets to a thread title that I add, I some times get tired of the Political BUT I have to agree with Reindog, It's Important Thanks for your Efforts at keeping this place operational | ||
| Fb1 |
Froggy, guilty as charged. So? What I said, and what your spread sheet proves (a spread sheet? Really?!?) is that the vast majority of threads and posts on BWB are non-political. The hard numbers don't matter, and that wasn't my point. You went to some length to proclaim a preponderance of political threads, enough so to have to "filter" these threads for the unwary. You've proven my point that the ratio is the other way around.
Squids, totally untrue. If you'd said "many of the political threads here on BWB seem to have a right-wing slant," I could agree with you. Dogma indicates I haven't been doing my due diligence in what I post. I invest a lot of time (and money) in researching what I post up. Yes, it's a conservative take on what I see going on, but it doesn't make it dogma, nor does it make it wrong. The left-wing liberal folks have been asked several times on several threads to enter the debate and make their case for Mr. Obama, and almost always what you get back in return is a drive-by snarking. I, for one, would WELCOME thoughtful, honest debate from the left. I may not agree with their viewpoint about Mr. Obama and where we're headed as a nation in general, but it would help me to better understand their position and point of view. I've made a determined effort in any political thread I've started or participated in to keep the discourse civil. Yep, it's a hot-button topic, but it doesn't mean it has to devolve into vile insults. The topic - the future of our country - is extremely relevant and important. The Founding Fathers would be aghast to know that only a few generations into the future some folks would label "patriotism" a dirty word, not to be talked about, something to be shunned or ignored. The Founders fought, bled and died for OUR freedom. They would be saddened to know that so many of us know so little about how we got here. They would be appalled to know so many of us just don't care.
Excellent! An "opposing" viewpoint instead of just a drive-by insult. Please, please, PLEASE expand on your viewpoint. Help me, and others, to understand what we're missing when we denigrate Mr. Obama and the policies of the left. I WANT to hear your viewpoint, because I just don't get it. I don't want to hurl insults at the left, I want to better understand where the left is coming from. In the end, I still may disagree with your vision for America, but PLEASE make a case. That's what a debate is all about.
In case that's directed at me, I've shown Tom/Tnxbrider all due respect. I know who he is, and know he's "good peeps." I didn't care for my patriotism being labeled as "shit," but I'm not losing any sleep over it.
Thanks Reindog. I'm not looking for anything other than an open forum, thoughtful discussion, and, as stated before, respectful rebuttal from the left. The conservative right is much maligned for our patriotism, like it's a dirty word or something. The Founding Fathers WANTED We The People to be ever-critical of the federal government. They had just wrested their freedom from tyranny, and welcomed and ENCOURAGED We The People to keep them honest, so to speak. This was SO important to them that they actually put their thoughts and beliefs into words, and signed their names to it. They could've never imagined that some day in the not too distant future that thoughtful political discourse would be an activity looked down upon by so many Americans.
Slaughter, on the other hand.....what can it hurt? If a political thread opens just one set of eyes, then it has been successful. No?
Blake, duly noted.
Thank you. To anyone following along: I'm an hour into this post, yet another hour away from the money machine. To those of you who suggest I've got nothing better to do, you couldn't be further from the truth. Carry on. FB | ||
| Moxnix |
Political and religious threads are simply two versions of the online "Whack-A-Mole" game. Or, perhaps a sign of Buell deficiency disorder. (Message edited by moxnix on March 16, 2012) | ||
| Panhead_dan |
"Or, perhaps a sign of Buell deficiency disorder." BDD. It is rampant!! A cure is in the works, however. It will be available for BDD sufferers soon and until then treatments start this Saturday morning at Daytona. | ||
| Spacecapsule1 |
...froggy can i have some pizza too? |
