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     Jerry_haughton |
From http://oathkeepers.org/oath/about/ : Oath Keepers is a non-partisan association of currently serving military, veterans, peace officers, and firefighters who will fulfill the oath we swore to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic, so help us God. Our oath is to the Constitution, not to the politicians, and we will not obey unconstitutional (and thus illegal) and immoral orders, such as orders to disarm the American people or to place them under martial law and deprive them of their ancient right to jury trial. We Oath Keepers have drawn a line in the sand. We will not “just follow orders.” Our motto is “Not on our watch!” If you, the American people, are forced to once again fight for your liberty in another American Revolution, you will not be alone. We will stand with you. From http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2009/03/03/declaration -of-orders-we-will-not-obey/ : “The time is now near at hand which must probably determine, whether Americans are to be, Freemen, or Slaves; whether they are to have any property they can call their own; whether their Houses, and Farms, are to be pillaged and destroyed, and they consigned to a State of Wretchedness from which no human efforts will probably deliver them. The fate of unborn Millions will now depend, under God, on the Courage and Conduct of this army” -- Gen. George Washington, to his troops before the battle of Long Island Such a time is near at hand again. The fate of unborn millions will now depend, under God, on the Courage and Conduct of this Army -- and this Marine Corps, This Air Force, This Navy and the National Guard and police units of these sovereign states. Oath Keepers is a non-partisan association of currently serving military, reserves, National Guard, peace officers, fire-fighters, and veterans who swore an oath to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic … and meant it. We won’t “just follow orders.” Below is our declaration of orders we will NOT obey because we will consider them unconstitutional (and thus unlawful) and immoral violations of the natural rights of the people. Such orders would be acts of war against the American people by their own government, and thus acts of treason. We will not make war against our own people. We will not commit treason. We will defend the Republic. Declaration of Orders We Will NOT Obey Recognizing that we each swore an oath to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic, and affirming that we are guardians of the Republic, of the principles in our Declaration of Independence, and of the rights of our people, we affirm and declare the following: 1. We will NOT obey any order to disarm the American people. The attempt to disarm the people on April 19, 1775 was the spark of open conflict in the American Revolution. That vile attempt was an act of war, and the American people fought back in justified, righteous self-defense of their natural rights. Any such order today would also be an act of war against the American people, and thus an act of treason. We will not make war on our own people, and we will not commit treason by obeying any such treasonous order. Nor will we assist, or support any such attempt to disarm the people by other government entities, either state or federal. In addition, we affirm that the purpose of the Second Amendment is to preserve the military power of the people so that they will, in the last resort, have effective final recourse to arms and to the God of Hosts in the face of tyranny. Accordingly, we oppose any and all further infringements on the right of the people to keep and bear arms. In particular we oppose a renewal of the misnamed “assault-weapons” ban or the enactment of H.R. 45 (which would register and track gun owners like convicted pedophiles). 2. We will NOT obey any order to conduct warrantless searches of the American people, their homes, vehicles, papers, or effects -- such as warrantless house-to house searches for weapons or persons. One of the causes of the American Revolution was the use of “writs of assistance,” which were essentially warrantless searches because there was no requirement of a showing of probable cause to a judge, and the first fiery embers of American resistance were born in opposition to those infamous writs. The Founders considered all warrantless searches to be unreasonable and egregious. It was to prevent a repeat of such violations of the right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects that the Fourth Amendment was written. We expect that sweeping warrantless searches of homes and vehicles, under some pretext, will be the means used to attempt to disarm the people. 3. We will NOT obey any order to detain American citizens as “unlawful enemy combatants” or to subject them to trial by military tribunal. One of the causes of the American Revolution was the denial of the right to jury trial, the use of admiralty courts (military tribunals) instead, and the application of the laws of war to the colonists. After that experience, and being well aware of the infamous Star Chamber in English history, the Founders ensured that the international laws of war would apply only to foreign enemies, not to the American people. Thus, the Article III Treason Clause establishes the only constitutional form of trial for an American, not serving in the military, who is accused of making war on his own nation. Such a trial for treason must be before a civilian jury, not a tribunal. The international laws of war do not trump our Bill of Rights. We reject as illegitimate any such claimed power, as did the Supreme Court in Ex Parte Milligan (1865). Any attempt to apply the laws of war to American civilians, under any pretext, such as against domestic “militia” groups the government brands “domestic terrorists,” is an act of war and an act of treason. 4. We will NOT obey orders to impose martial law or a “state of emergency” on a state, or to enter with force into a state, without the express consent and invitation of that state’s legislature and governor. One of the causes of the American Revolution was the attempt “to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil Power” by disbanding the Massachusetts legislature and appointing General Gage as “military governor.” The attempt to disarm the people of Massachusetts during that martial law sparked our Revolution. Accordingly, the power to impose martial law – the absolute rule over the people by a military officer with his will alone being law – is nowhere enumerated in our Constitution. Further, it is the militia of a state and of the several states that the Constitution contemplates being used in any context, during any emergency within a state, not the standing army. The imposition of martial law by the national government over a state and its people, treating them as an occupied enemy nation, is an act of war. Such an attempted suspension of the Constitution and Bill of Rights voids the compact with the states and with the people. 5. We will NOT obey orders to invade and subjugate any state that asserts its sovereignty and declares the national government to be in violation of the compact by which that state entered the Union. In response to the obscene growth of federal power and to the absurdly totalitarian claimed powers of the Executive, upwards of 20 states are considering, have considered, or have passed courageous resolutions affirming states rights and sovereignty. Those resolutions follow in the honored and revered footsteps of Jefferson and Madison in their Kentucky and Virginia Resolutions, and likewise seek to enforce the Constitution by affirming the very same principles of our Declaration, Constitution, and Bill of Rights that we Oath Keepers recognize and affirm. Chief among those principles is that ours is a dual sovereignty system, with the people of each state retaining all powers not granted to the national government they created, and thus the people of each state reserved to themselves the right to judge when the national government they created has voided the compact between the states by asserting powers never granted. Upon the declaration by a state that such a breach has occurred, we will not obey orders to force that state to submit to the national government. 6. We will NOT obey any order to blockade American cities, thus turning them into giant concentration camps. One of the causes of the American Revolution was the blockade of Boston, and the occupying of that city by the British military, under martial law. Once hostilities began, the people of Boston were tricked into turning in their arms in exchange for safe passage, but were then forbidden to leave. That confinement of the residents of an entire city was an act of war. Such tactics were repeated by the Nazis in the Warsaw Ghetto, and by the Imperial Japanese in Nanking, turning entire cities into death camps. Any such order to disarm and confine the people of an American city will be an act of war and thus an act of treason. 7. We will NOT obey any order to force American citizens into any form of detention camps under any pretext. Mass, forced internment into concentration camps was a hallmark of every fascist and communist dictatorship in the 20th Century. Such internment was unfortunately even used against American citizens of Japanese descent during World War II. Whenever a government interns its own people, it treats them like an occupied enemy population. Oppressive governments often use the internment of women and children to break the will of the men fighting for their liberty – as was done to the Boers, to the Jewish resisters in the Warsaw Ghetto, and to the Chechens, for example. Such a vile order to forcibly intern Americans without charges or trial would be an act of war against the American people, and thus an act of treason, regardless of the pretext used. We will not commit treason, nor will we facilitate or support it.”NOT on Our Watch!” 8. We will NOT obey orders to assist or support the use of any foreign troops on U.S. soil against the American people to “keep the peace” or to “maintain control” during any emergency, or under any other pretext. We will consider such use of foreign troops against our people to be an invasion and an act of war. During the American Revolution, the British government enlisted the aid of Hessian mercenaries in an attempt to subjugate the rebellious American people. Throughout history, repressive regimes have enlisted the aid of foreign troops and mercenaries who have no bonds with the people. Accordingly, as the militia of the several states are the only military force contemplated by the Constitution, in Article I, Section 8, for domestic keeping of the peace, and as the use of even our own standing army for such purposes is without such constitutional support, the use of foreign troops and mercenaries against the people is wildly unconstitutional, egregious, and an act of war. We will oppose such troops as enemies of the people and we will treat all who request, invite, and aid those foreign troops as the traitors they are. 9. We will NOT obey any orders to confiscate the property of the American people, including food and other essential supplies, under any emergency pretext whatsoever. One of the causes of the American Revolution was the seizure and forfeiture of American ships, goods, and supplies, along with the seizure of American timber for the Royal Navy, all in violation of the people’s natural right to their property and to the fruits of their labor. The final spark of the Revolution was the attempt by the government to seize powder and cannon stores at Concord. Deprivation of food has long been a weapon of war and oppression, with millions intentionally starved to death by fascist and communist governments in the 20th Century alone. Accordingly, we will not obey or facilitate orders to confiscate food and other essential supplies from the people, and we will consider all those who issue or carry out such orders to be the enemies of the people. 10. We will NOT obey any orders which infringe on the right of the people to free speech, to peaceably assemble, and to petition their government for a redress of grievances. There would have been no American Revolution without fiery speakers and writers such as James Otis, Patrick Henry, Thomas Paine, and Sam Adams “setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men.” Tyrants know that the pen of a man such as Thomas Paine can cause them more damage than entire armies, and thus they always seek to suppress the natural rights of speech, association, and assembly. Without freedom of speech, the people will have no recourse but to arms. Without freedom of speech and conscience, there is no freedom. Therefore, we will not obey or support any orders to suppress or violate the right of the people to speak, associate, worship, assemble, communicate, or petition government for the redress of grievances. — And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually affirm our oath and pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor. | ||
| Two_seasons |
I'm in. This ought to get your attention... http://www.fedspending.org/ Our fight needs to be with those who also swore an oath to the US Constitution but have never read it or refuse to adhere to the liberties ensured all Americans through it. | ||
| Pkforbes87 |
Very cool. While on active duty, I many times wondered when the time would come that I would be forced to decide which part of the oath of enlistment to uphold. "...I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same..." "...that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice..." | ||
| Jerry_haughton |
Phillip, thank you for your service. The mission of the Oath Keepers is a very interesting, powerful, and unique tool to fight against the rampant corrosion and corruption of the Constitution, the code of ethics and behavior that has always made America such a great nation, and our only real hope of salvation. Their mission, to remind the folks who have taken an oath to serve and protect America that their oath is to the Constitution, not an individual or individuals, gives me hope that our country may indeed survive the terrible mess our so-called leaders have gotten us into. I'm encouraged and emboldened to know that if push comes to shove there are thousands and thousands of honorable men and women in this country - active and retired military, and active and retired firefighters and police officers - who have pledged an oath to stand shoulder to shoulder with the Patriots of this nation, not to the thinly-veiled dictatorship currently at the helm. I am not retired military, firefighter or LEO, but I'm trying to do my part by promoting the Oath Keepers and their mission statement. Thank you again, Phillip. With all due respect and appreciation for your service: Will you be an Oath Keeper? Best, Ferris | ||
| Jerry_haughton |
45 (and counting) pages of Patriots who have become Oath Keepers and who have written public testimonials so stating: http://oathkeepers.org/oath/category/oathkeeper-te stimonials/ | ||
| Sifo |
I know a couple of them. They are also known as 3 percenters. Has a nice ring to it!  | ||
| Cityxslicker |
you need to keep a firm watch on "Resilience" Sustainable Cities, and the new Armed 'Health' Corps Cadre - going to their first boot camp in march. They do NOT have the constitution line in their oath to commission All they need is a little virus from the CDC and hello - its all in the name of 'public' safety. | ||
| Jerry_haughton |
"No one will be able to be armed. We will take all weapons." | ||
| Guell |
guns are all well in good, but they should really be concerned with what you can make from the hardware store and the drug store... | ||
| Crusty |
Will YOU be an Oath Keeper? I'm 61 years old. The military doesn't want a cranky old fart. So the answer is no. | ||
| J2blue |
Proud to be in the state of Colorado where the legislature just passed a law saying that it will not participate in a call to disarm it's citizens! CityX, I may unwittingly be in the cadre of "critical personnel" in the "health cadre" who are not, as yet, sworn to anything. I will have to check it some more. As one of two IT support persons for the entire county we are already conscripted. I don't mind for a legitimate health emergency, but I will keep my eyes wide open for the bogus health emergencies that might be used. | ||
| Geedee |
Jerry, the first video with Stewart Rhodes has a gold fringed flag behind him. Can you guys tell me what that signifies? I have been under the impression that it is a military/corporate/pirate flag and represents a jurisdiction under which your constitution does not apply, ie. it is suspended. My research also suggests it is nothing more than fancy decoration, but I'm not really convinced of that. The Katrina video is disturbing, and I didn't miss the remark @ 5mins 36secs concerning Australia. I hope none of you are offended by my interest in your politics. Gary | ||
| Jerry_haughton |
All they need is a little virus from the CDC and hello - its all in the name of 'public' safety. I fear the The Chosen One will concoct a national crisis if it looks like he is going to lose in November, or perhaps after the election but before the inauguration, so that he can justify declaring martial law. Your comments chill me to the bone. | ||
| Jerry_haughton |
guns are all well in good, but they should really be concerned with what you can make from the hardware store and the drug store... Guell, we're talking about one of our basic fundamental rights as American citizens, as enumerated by the Second Amendment, our right to bear arms. The Oath Keepers is all about defending that right, about reaffirming their oath to the Constitution. They do NOT advocate anything along the lines of what you're hinting at. They do NOT advocate "overthrow" of the federal government. They DO advocate the federal government returning to its constitutional roots. The right to keep and bear arms is guaranteed by our Constitution. The Oath Keepers believe in the sanctity of our Constitution, and have vowed to defend it with their lives. I fully support their position. FB | ||
| Jerry_haughton |
I'm 61 years old. The military doesn't want a cranky old fart. So the answer is no. Crusty, I don't give a rip if you're 161 years old. The military doesn't need you, the Constitution needs you! America needs you!! | ||
| Jerry_haughton |
Proud to be in the state of Colorado where the legislature just passed a law saying that it will not participate in a call to disarm it's citizens! J2blue, that is most excellent to hear. Props to the good folks of Colorado for standing up for their constitutional rights. This is a pivotal election coming up. If the Chosen One gets reelected, we can kiss the rest of our American freedoms goodbye. Good on Colorado for saying, "Not on our watch!" | ||
| Jerry_haughton |
Jerry, the first video with Stewart Rhodes has a gold fringed flag behind him. Can you guys tell me what that signifies? Geedee, according to ushistory.org (http://www.ushistory.org/betsy/faq.htm): Gold fringe can be found on ceremonial flags used indoors and for outdoor ceremonies. The fringe is considered completely within the guidelines of proper flag etiquette. There is nothing in the Flag Code about the fringe being for federal government flags only. The Internet contains many sites that claim that the fringe indicates martial law or that the Constitution does not apply in that area. These are entirely unfounded (usually citing Executive Order 10834 and inventing text that is not part of the order) and should be dismissed as urban legends. Others ascribe meanings of spiritual authority. Gold fringes on flags goes back long before the United States. Flags in ancient India had gold fringe, as did those in France, England, and throughout Europe. US Flag Code: http://www.ushistory.org/betsy/flagcode.htm Executive order 10834: http://www.ushistory.org/betsy/more/10834.htm Best, Ferris | ||
| Guell |
Jerry, I too fully support their position | ||
| Hootowl |
"Very cool. While on active duty, I many times wondered when the time would come that I would be forced to decide which part of the oath of enlistment to uphold." There is no conflict. You are only obligated to obey lawful orders. | ||
| Jerry_haughton |
There is no conflict. You are only obligated to obey lawful orders. Or put another way: You are obligated NOT to obey unlawful orders. Every item on the Oath Keepers' list is a constitutionally unlawful order, and they will not obey. Not only is it their moral belief to not obey an unlawful order, it is their moral duty and obligation, as it is for ANYONE who has sworn their loyalty to the Constitution of our great Republic. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
I know entirely too many spooks that are fleeing the continent like life rafts off the Titanic. I am not privy to all the information they have as I still don't have the clearance - but I get an email every other week 'Gone Black' Meaning - EMCON - no contact, done, off grid, and out of country - many are heading south. A couple have arrived in Korea LNS (Location Not Specified) and have killed all electronic foot prints. These are guys I served with - that I knew well - that I trust their creeping paranoia; My shiat is already packed - Hell if I have to sneak out on a frieghter - I am outta here. something big is brewing - and I don't like the smell of it. | ||
| Blake |
Imagine if Washingtom, Jefferson, Adams, and Franklin had fled to another country. Just sayin. Stay and fight the scoundrels! | ||
| Sifo |
"Posterity, you will never know how much it cost the present generation to preserve your freedom. I hope you will make good use of it. If you do not, I shall repent in heaven that ever I took half the pains to preserve it." -John Adams | ||
| Buellkowski |
Recognizing that we each swore an oath to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic... Do "Oath Keepers" believe that domestic enemies of the Constitution are to be pursued, captured, and prosecuted by domestic agencies & courts only (FBI, U.S. Marshals, Secret Service, LEOs, etc.)? | ||
| Moxnix |
Ah, the geographical solution, that's the ticket. And go before it's too late so you don't have to jump out the back window in your socks. Various offshore appointments of a contractual nature abound. Emil Zola said- What matters of the individual if the idea survives? Well, it's kinda' handy to be alive, Emil. Roots and tree, cause and effect. Uncle Joe Obama will certainly lock down the country before the election, will engage Iran in a war, will ignore us if we're a minority, will take revenge against those who are not. Nicaragua is now a decent and inexpensive place to relocate, Argentina would be my choice. Personally, I wouldn't put my name on much of anything, though the conscious of a man travels with him. The fruits of our national labor has been harvested by those blindly devoted aparatchniks who now sacrifice our liberties on their alter of Marxist genius and blood (ours). Were I not dragging so many anchors, I'd pick City up on my way out and head on out for parts unknown to fight for the likes of ya'll. But, having dropped so many dog turds in so many pockets, I'm scheduled to go on the first day of The Big Lockdown. Good luck, my friends. Laugh at what you may call paranoia at your own risk. | ||
| Cowboy |
I am looking very hard at going to Israel at least thet fight back, I had rather die there than live as a slave here. | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
I'd have to agree with Monix and City. I don't like the smell of it. My biggest fear is there may not be enough of us who care to make a difference. | ||
| Ulyranger |
"My biggest fear is there may not be enough of us who care to make a difference." There in lies the biggest problem. America is too concerned with "Idol", "linsanity" and what Kim K is doing, way too easy to lull these sheep into the killing pens.... We are a nation of sheep, the wolves and eagles are sorely lacking. | ||
| Jerry_haughton |
We are a nation of sheep... The sheep will be voting FOR Obama, and I agree there are a lot of sheep in this country. ...the wolves and eagles are sorely lacking. Nah, I disagree. I think that it's just that the wolves and eagles are slow to anger and act. The wolves and eagles will be voting AGAINST Obama this year. They will also be the ones that will have our back if Obama won't go away without a fight. I'm betting there are way more Patriots than Loyalists in America, and I'm betting we Patriots win this country back. I'm betting we make Washington, Jefferson, Adams, and Franklin proud. It is time to make a stand. | ||
| Blake |
Aren't the "wolves" the bad guys? Sheep dogs good? |
