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Reepicheep
Posted on Wednesday, February 08, 2012 - 08:09 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

This one is even cooler!

http://glowbar.myshopify.com/



Half life was SUCH a great storyline.

The zombie ammo doesn't bother me. I think it's funny. I'm sure that nearly every round that has been bought has only represented a threat to watermelons and 2 liter soda bottles.
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D_adams
Posted on Wednesday, February 08, 2012 - 10:11 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If they would have done that in red, I'd seriously think about it.
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Boney95
Posted on Wednesday, February 08, 2012 - 01:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Any thoughts on a side/under the arm holster for conceal and carry? I have no clue on the top brands or styles.
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D_adams
Posted on Wednesday, February 08, 2012 - 01:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Don't have any input on carrying as of yet, still haven't done the ccw myself. Found out MO has both open carry and concealed in the vehicle carry, so I'm not in a huge rush at the moment.
Youtube has a lot of videos, one I like is Hickock45. He's usually got something for everyone, just need to search through the vids.

http://www.youtube.com/user/HICKOCK45
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Jumbo_petite
Posted on Wednesday, February 08, 2012 - 02:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Not a big fan of shoulder holsters. I prefer a strong side carry with FBI cant. Easy, natural and you will NOT muzzle yourself during the draw. Crossdraw, shoulder harness or SOB (small of the back) the muzzle at one point WILL be aimed at your body.
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Cowboy
Posted on Wednesday, February 08, 2012 - 03:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I carry a Glock (23) 40 cal. I use under arm Cross draw and at no time is the wepon pointed at any part of my body. I have carried for years and I carry 100% of the time it is comfortable and I feel naked with out it.
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Thumper74
Posted on Wednesday, February 08, 2012 - 03:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Appendix carry, in waist band.
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Thumper74
Posted on Wednesday, February 08, 2012 - 03:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Also, I picked up some of the Hornandy Zombie Max because I had a gift card for Fin Feather Fur and couldn't figure out what to buy. I picked some up for the 9mm and 12ga. I wouldn't dare ever load it in my guns in anticipation of self defense. I have normal self defense rounds for that. The Zombie Max was because I had a gift card to burn and I thought it was cool. It will be really pricey range ammo.

My 12 ga is loaded with Federal 00 buck.
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Jumbo_petite
Posted on Wednesday, February 08, 2012 - 03:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I carry a Glock (23) 40 cal. I use under arm Cross draw and at no time is the wepon pointed at any part of my body. I have carried for years and I carry 100% of the time it is comfortable and I feel naked with out it.

So when you draw your weapon you have your weak side arm raised over your head. If the muzzle is facing rearward when holstered at some point that muzzle will be pointed at your arm during the draw.
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Boney95
Posted on Wednesday, February 08, 2012 - 04:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Just went to Gander Mountain and found a light brown BlackHawk leather hip holster. This is the way I'm going to go. With summer being around the corner, wearing no jacket, I think a hip holster will work best for me.
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Cowboy
Posted on Wednesday, February 08, 2012 - 04:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I carry under a open vest I open vest with left hand and pull pistol with right hand it comes out under my right arm.( veery simular to Doc. Holiday Rig just a little futher back.
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Jumbo_petite
Posted on Wednesday, February 08, 2012 - 05:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Cowboy

I am not knocking you or your personal choice of carry gear, but was putting out some safety concerns to the modes of carry people may choose. I used to have an old Bianchi shoulder rig for my 1911 but felt uncomfortable with the mechanics of making a smooth , fast safe draw. Since then I have been strong side behind the hip with FBI cant and very happy with my decision. It just FEELS more natural, simpler and hence more safe.

JP
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Cowboy
Posted on Wednesday, February 08, 2012 - 05:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have a lot of experance with drawing while Driving---horse back--- and riding my v-rod how ever it is not as slick as I would like from my Buell (hump in tank and low bars) I spend most of my time in my truck ---tractor--horseback and v-rod. Strong side draw is a bitch while driving.
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Blake
Posted on Wednesday, February 08, 2012 - 05:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

>>> So when you draw your weapon you have your weak side arm raised over your head just enough to draw clear of your arm.

No need to put your arm over your head, just elevate the elbow some, not even to shoulder level, just above the level of the muzzle.

Fun discussion. I'm learning a lot. : )
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Mr_grumpy
Posted on Wednesday, February 08, 2012 - 06:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm learning a lot too.

I tried drawing mine from the waistband but the claw kept catching my nuts, so I leave the big one in the roll-cab now, & have the rusty old weighted one lying around in the car mostly.

I like the glowing green one but it's a bit pricey.
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Sifo
Posted on Wednesday, February 08, 2012 - 06:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Good to hear thoughts on carry options. IL still doesn't allow it so I haven't done much research myself... yet! With some of the laws they are talking about I may have to stash some of my guns out of state to avoid becoming a criminal! My days in IL are numbered.

I'm curious, what state do you folks like to carry a pistol in and what kind of gun? I've been trying to get used to the idea of the manual safety on my 1911 and I'm just not sure I would ever be comfortable carrying that type of gun chambered/safety on. One of the reasons I like the XDm so much.
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Cowboy
Posted on Wednesday, February 08, 2012 - 07:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My permit allowes me to carry in 37 states.
And more states are joining every day. It looks like there may be 5 or 6 more in a few more yrs.We honor any state that honors ours.
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Indybuell
Posted on Wednesday, February 08, 2012 - 07:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm looking at the XDM as well.... But damn, they are pricy.
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Sifo
Posted on Wednesday, February 08, 2012 - 07:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm looking at the XDM as well.... But damn, they are pricy.

You get a pretty good kit though. Nice case, 2 mags, holster, magazine holster for 2 mags, and 3 sizes of backstrap to best fit your hand. The finish seems extremely durable too. It's a quality piece. IMO, if you like the feel and features it's worth the cash. My only issue was getting used to the trigger. It has a good feel, but it is different than many other guns. As the trigger is squeezed it first presses the safety blade in the trigger. Then the actual trigger starts moving and disengaging the backstrap safety. Then in the final stage of the trigger pull it starts to release the sear. It sounds like a lot, but you get used to it quick enough. Mine measured a 5.7 pound trigger pull. If you want more of a competition trigger there are options that have been user installed with good results at reasonable prices. My preference is to not modify a self defense gun though. It's plenty good enough to hit center of mass at 30' or less.
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Buellinachinashop
Posted on Wednesday, February 08, 2012 - 07:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

H&K P30.
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Johnnylunchbox
Posted on Wednesday, February 08, 2012 - 08:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I would seriously consider the Glock. I had probably 10,000- 15,000 rounds through my 19 and it was starting to show a little wear. I can recall only two failures to feed and it was my fault for limp-wristing it. They are extraordinary machines.

My case against shoulder holsters:

Very easy to cover a friendly when drawing.

If someone grabs it, it's already pointing at you.

Since many unintentional discharges happen when drawing and /or holstering, I'd rather that round go into the ground than under my arm and out back.

If you lose the use of your strong hand (read shot), you may not be able to draw with your weak hand.
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Brumbear
Posted on Wednesday, February 08, 2012 - 08:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Good sense in that logic.
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D_adams
Posted on Wednesday, February 08, 2012 - 08:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have a tendency to derail threads sometimes.



Now that that's out of the way, back to the choice of weaponry. I walked out of Cabela's about $1k lighter in the wallet, but that included a cleaning kit, ammo and a safe to store the handgun in. I need more range time and lots more ammo. Only ran about 4-500 rounds through mine so far and I like it a LOT.


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Spank
Posted on Wednesday, February 08, 2012 - 08:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That's a great buy Dean! My buddy has that same one and after shooting it, I am buying one as well!
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Boney95
Posted on Thursday, February 09, 2012 - 03:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Picked her up and pushed 100 rounds through her. Shot my best grouping ever with a handgun on my second 16 round shoot. I also had two failure to feeds, but I chalk that up to cheap rounds and a new gun. Both failures happened on rapid fire. Overall I'm very happy with it. Fits great in my hand, love the styling and the bi-tone. The trigger is completely different than the Glock. Didn't take long to adjust. This gun shoots true.
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Macbuell
Posted on Thursday, February 09, 2012 - 04:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Are failures to feed common with new handguns? I had a couple in my first clip of my new S&W SD9 but have not had any since.
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Jumbo_petite
Posted on Thursday, February 09, 2012 - 04:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

With commercial ammo , most failures to feed on modern handguns will be caused by the shooter's technique and limp wristing the firearm
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Boney95
Posted on Thursday, February 09, 2012 - 05:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Never happened once with my Glock.
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Macbuell
Posted on Thursday, February 09, 2012 - 05:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

As a newbe ... please explain how limp wristing can cause a failure to feed.

(Message edited by macbuell on February 09, 2012)
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D_adams
Posted on Thursday, February 09, 2012 - 06:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Recoil from the spent shell racks the slide back with sufficient force to eject the shell and then pick up the next round. If the recoil doesn't make the slide go all the way back, it may not catch the lip of the next shell. Limp wristing a shot defeats the purpose of recoil spring and adds additional "spring" to the slide.

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