| Author | Message | ||
     Davegess |
What war did BO put American troops in harms way? | ||
| Sifo |
Anyone engaged in a conflict is by definition in harms way. I never used that term anyway. Do you have a point. | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
The truth is out there, if you care to hear it. Whose version?  | ||
| Hootowl |
There is only one truth. The rest is spin and opinion. | ||
| Fahren |
LMAO ROTFL Hootowl! | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
There is only one truth. The rest is spin and opinion. Spoken like a true fundamentalist.  (Message edited by Mr_grumpy on January 23, 2012) | ||
| 99savage |
Let us pretend that Davegess is absolutely correct & that GWB was the worst person ever. How does that justify BHO's regime? - Cheeze ,how about "I suck less than the worst person ever" as a campaign slogan? By EVERY measure, save the Dow-Jones, EVERYTHING is worse than when BHO took office. At what point does the Left begin to take ownership of that which they control? Jimidan IS absolutely correct asserting that the "1% ers" give vastly more to Democrats than to Conservatives. (Could get into the reasons why but that is more than these busted fingers can type) How does that play into the narrative that Republicans care only for "The Rich"?? (Message edited by 99Savage on January 23, 2012) | ||
| Hootowl |
Laugh all you want. Two truths cannot be in opposition. One is false, one is true. Basic logic. | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
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| Hootowl |
When you stop banging your head against the wall, your head will begin to stop hurting.  The opinions and experience that color your 'truth' (and mine, and everyone else's) are the 'spin and opinion' to which I was referring. But there is only one truth. I strive to see it. | ||
| Sifo |
Conservative blogger Andrew Sullivan and "Newsweek has managed to stir up another round of controversy with its latest provocative cover. Conservative?  OK he does use this label to describe himself. I could call myself a giraffe, but that wouldn't make it true. I just read the Wikipedia page on this guy. He may have a few conservative values, but seems to clash with conservatives more often than not. Read it for yourself if you are interested. The description of him as a conservative is anything but accurate though. | ||
| Kenm123t |
Dave did we not send Carrier air wings into bomb in Libya and help the rebels there ? If you didnt know that you must live in a lead mine Remember the we will fly till this date stop the restart to avoid Congressional over sight? BHO didnt bother to consult Congress he just went Bombing. War wasnt declared BHO acted like a Terrorist On the your point it wasnt a war your correct but He did send the planes to bomb Libyas standing Army which IS An Act of War! Dave Your hate for W is blinding you to the facts. Why are we going out of our way to insure the Muslim brotherhood brings about the Caliphate? At the same time increasing our dependance on oil supplies controlled by Islamic Countries. Tired of the lie about Bush he took the case to Congress as he was required to do. Unlike our new dictator. When history finally shakes you will find the WMDS you claim were lied about came from China by way of North Korea. We intercepted the missles sans war heads in a grain shipments from N Korea to Iraq. Now when has N Korea ever had enough food to export any ? You dont embarass your mortgage holder and biggest buyer of Treasuries without a problem. (Message edited by Kenm123t on January 23, 2012) | ||
| Davegess |
I think I have made my point; if anyone talked about W the way you guys talk about O they would have been banned. You are are a bunch of raving right wingers. Your idea of the center is somewhat to the right of Barry Goldwater. | ||
| Hootowl |
"if anyone talked about W the way you guys talk about O they would have been banned" I think that's a fair point. Though I can point to many such posts that have not resulted in banning. You have, in fact, not been banned, so that's a pretty good indication of the moderators' temperament. | ||
| Court |
Actually it is a fair point. The salient difference is that Dave can explain his position without calling someone a pop-poo face. The last time he called me an idiot it was because I'd done something stupid, not as a result of my beliefs. Dave and I are the odd couple . . . for 20+ year trying to straighten each other out. | ||
| M1combat |
GW and BO are first class punks. THEY ALL ARE! Stop taking sides. Take the side of the people. No other. If you do that you will quickly find that America is totally F****D until we start electing Libertarians. It's almost certainly too late. Stop arguing over whether Apples or Apples are better for you... sheeesh... Wake up. Both of you. (Dave and Blake) | ||
| Davegess |
Court and I get along 'cause I know he is always wrong  | ||
| Blake |
Can't agree at all that Progressives are the same as Conservatives in their political agenda or values or principles. I do agree that it is the corrupt nexus of big govt and big business (big money on all sides, but by far mostly in govt, $3 TRILLION+ per year!!!) that is at the root of the problem and in that neither party is blameless. Yet one cannot ignore history. One party has been largely responsible for imposing upon us ever greater and more expansive entitlements. FDR, LBJ, and now BHO. The systematic progressive enslavement of productive Americans to create a Marxist utopia. One party opposes making illegal even the most heinous form of murder of late term unborn babies. One party is largely responsible for waging Marxist style class warfare. One party embraces outrageous traitorous behavior; see Harry, "this war is lost" Reid, John (NVA comrade and commie sympathizer) Kerry, Dick "Guantanamo is a gulag" Durbin, etc. to imagine that the parties are no different is just not supportable. One party embraces racial divisiveness. Ron Paul, Libertarian, is a Republican, the party has room for him and welcomes his point of view. No Libertarian now could ever call themselves a Democrat. Do we find Progressives in the party of Lincoln? Yes. Yet the party is not owned by them; the party of Obama is. If Libertarianism is your preference, the two parties are not the same. | ||
| Sifo |
and now BHO He doesn't like the "H". He even named his dog BO. Does that seem just a touch narcissistic to anyone else? | ||
| Slaughter |
Critics ARE literally dumb. In fact many are quietly critical but not (yet) speaking out... so I'd say dumb, yes. | ||
| Kenm123t |
Dave cant answer a direct question? How did Obama have a legal reason to Bomb Libya? He committed an act of war. You stated when did Obama send men into a War you have your answer. Defend the postion you cant so you divert attention from your indefensible postion to a comment about being banned. Most of us didnt like W either but he was better than Kerry and Edwards. Problem is the question of Libya is not a thought out opinion Dave is dodging the answer. FAIL Court Raving is similar to poo poo face Lol Where have you been hiding We Need DAYTONA EBR shirts. Now back to the previously scheduled debate | ||
| Davegess |
I'm not too worried about Libya, we didn't put our guys at risk, we won, and it pretty much fell within arguable distance of being legal. If w had done it you all would be having wet dreams over it. You just hate the guy; I can't really figure out why. I thought W was awful but I don't hate on him. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
How should one feel toward someone who has zero regard for the Constitution? | ||
| Hootowl |
"we didn't put our guys at risk" Pilots are people too. "we won" What did we win? Near as I can tell, the Muslim Brotherhood walked away with 75% of the congressional seats. I'd call that a bad outcome. We may lose Iraq the same way. Imagine if we had abandoned Germany before the Nazi insurgency had been suppressed after WWII. Europe might look very different. | ||
| Britchri10 |
Legal reason to bomb Libya? UN Resolution 1973. Doesn't mean Barak Obama didn't send US forces into harms way, he did! It does mean he had the legal wherewithal to do so as CinC & President of the USA. (I want a Daytona EBR shirt, too!) Chris C | ||
| Hootowl |
I don't think BO did anything illegal wrt Libya. It wasn't clandestine. Congress was consulted, and they had plenty of opportunity to stop it. The war powers act authorizes the president to act without congressional approval for a specific period of time. 'Course, congress couldn't even pass a budget, so expecting them push out a bill authorizing or deauthorizing (unauthorizing?)military action was probably too much for them to handle. It was all they could do to squirt out the health care bill, and that's only because they didn't take the time to read it. I guess they were too busy funneling tax dollars into failing companies and pet projects. | ||
| Drkside79 |
Actually I believe the the War Powers Act (1973) Grants the President to use the military in any manner he chooses so long as congress is told within 48 hours. He also has the right to continue to use it until 60 days have passed at which point Congress must approve or funding is cut and the troops need to be withdrawn. So you how was what he did illegal? | ||
| Drkside79 |
Damn Hoot beat me. I type slowly i guess... | ||
| Drkside79 |
Oh by the way this was Congresses idea but they never thought about what their chance of reelection were if they were to actually cut funding to American troops in the field | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
The world & his dog bombed Libya last year. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_military_interve ntion_in_Libya |
