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     Sifo |
Well sort of. At least he's still alive. http://news.lalate.com/2012/01/18/jeb-corliss-cras h-video-during-table-mountain-jump-prompts-possibl e-charges/ | ||
| Hootowl |
How can you deny a permit for something you don't issue permits for? “The danger associated with base jumping does not allow us to issue permits. He did not have permission. We will definitely fine him and possibly press charges" To quote Bones/Spock, "how can you get a permit to do an damned illegal thing?" | ||
| Davegess |
And who is paying for the helicopter and other rescue costs? Hope he is. | ||
| Aeholton |
And who is paying for the helicopter and other rescue costs? Hope he is. I guess Red Bull is. | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
Well if "Red Bull gives you wings" obviously he didn't drink enough. | ||
| Hootowl |
nice | ||
| Aesquire |
He's pushed the limits of the envelope time and again. He just had a near miss. ( which means, he hit. ) Now, I thinks he's nuts. But I come to that conclusion as one who decided he preferred his wing to be assembled before flight, and prefer a larger margin of error for deploying reserve chutes that base jumping typically gives you. Then again, the gear is better than back in the day. ( all you kids get off of my lawn! ) Hard to believe it was that long ago drinking beer with Bill Booth at the collegiate nationals. So, I'm good with crazy, as long as he doesn't splat on me. I just won't do what he does. Partly because I doubt I have the dedication to be that good, and partly basic fear. As far as the cost of the rescue crew, that bill is huge and the rescued pays. DAMHIK. Red Bull probably will accept the bill, the company has a good sense of the cost of edge sports. I'm glad he made it through alive. Hope the injuries heal soon, I've been waiting for his Vegas landing. People somehow get the idea that life is safe. Wrong. Airplanes crash, ships sink, rockets blow up, and subs leak and crush. I won't even get into what happens when there is traffic. Gravity is a harsh mistress. | ||
| Whatever |
This guy is just a knob. I actually have more respect for the guy who free climbed up Half Dome. THAT takes some serious skill. http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7382859n | ||
| Geforce |
Knob or not...if you had any parachuting experience at all, you would realize that what Mr. Corliss does is very difficult. The stamina required to maintain a good body position for a wing suit is in itself very challenging. He is considered a pioneer in this field. Some people regard motorcycle racing as dangerous as well. At least he accepts the fact that what he does is dangerous and I am confident that Jeb is risking his life and no one else's. I just don't understand how this activity is any less stupid than what other people do. Maybe as a parachutist who volunteered to jump into austere terrain I understand his passion for doing stuff others considered foolish. (Message edited by Geforce on January 22, 2012) | ||
| Whatever |
Fair enough. I guess what I don't understand is doing something illegal for the thrill of it. Don't you think that rescue workers would put their life at stake if he splatted himself somewhere inaccessible? At least with the climbing permit in place there is a reasonable expectation of a rescue operations being feasible. | ||
| Guell |
I guess what I don't understand is doing something illegal for the thrill of it I suppose you've never sped on your motorcycle for the thrill of it | ||
| Whatever |
Maybe if I were a habitual speeder that traveled to remote areas for a living in order to seek a thrill, that may be comparable... I also think the ice fishermen who go out on the ice when the fire department says not to are complete knobs also. Every year officers have to call out a rescue boat to retrieve the idiots that fall through. | ||
| Ulyranger |
"Don't you think that rescue workers would put their life at stake if he splatted himself somewhere inaccessible? At least with the climbing permit in place there is a reasonable expectation of a rescue operations being feasible." - YES! Hence the reason for a permitting process. If you are going to participate in dangerous endeavors that may require SAR resources or other first responders to risk their safety to clean up your mess then you MUST accept responsibility for your actions. This attitude that "I'm just risking my own safety" is very, very shortsighted. That said, this isn't a crime of the century. Fine him and send him on his way to the next death defying spectacle.....until it's no longer "defying"..... | ||
| Sifo |
He doesn't exactly have the perfect safety record regarding those who follow him in his activities. I don't want to sound like I'm trying to blame Corliss, but I see this kind of like if you are leading a group ride and have someone get killed. | ||
| Whatever |
If dude wants to sign a binding agreement with local LE and EMS saying he, his associates and family have absolutely no claim if he needs a rescue operation deemed too risky to complete, then I have no problem with what he is doing. However, that being said, I think that even the best planning risk takers take things too far. I have read a lot of mountaineering books, and when you have multiple deaths in the amatuer climbing business on Everest in one season, for one example, the laws and permits need to be revised. I have sky dived, hang glided... just once, and done rock climbing and I think there are reasonable procedures to employ that won't put anyone else at unecessary risk or will mitigate risk greatly. Some people are adrenaline junkies, and in the process are completely self-centered. After watching the guy on a news show I think he is in this category, and thus qualifies as a knob. | ||
| Geforce |
So, the folks that have to get rescued every year due to white out conditions on mountaintops and cliff sides are "more right" for endangering rescue personnel than a base jumper who dives out of a rented helicopter in a remote region and endangers no one? ...because of a piece of paper? Perhaps I overlooked the endangered flora and fauna that resides on this particular cliff site. This just DOES NOT compute with me. How is one form of dangerous activity MORE acceptable than another simply because a piece of paper makes it "authorized"? Again... It would be ENTIRELY different, if he were doing this around populated areas where innocent lives could be placed at risk. That is not acceptable to me. I don't hear anyone crying about how dangerous corner workers have it at track days... even spectators during motorsports events. Terrible things happen to people and this is one of those things that is entirely voluntary and very well planned out regardless of weather or not it is "authorized". Perhaps we need to email Mr. Corliss and ask him if he accepts the fact that emergency services may not be provided at his next remote location jump. And would that still be acceptable? I would wager he's willing to accept that risk and the only other person that will get hurt are those who sit back and worry about feelings and pieces of paper. I'm not saying that first responders don't need to be in harms way... There is a reason people obtain "permits" for things out of the ordinary. But if a man's life dream is to sit out in the desert, be left alone and bash his head on a rock until the red water flows, leave him alone. That's a man's choice. Not yours. | ||
| Geforce |
Char, understand, I'm not mad at you or upset by your opinion on the matter. Nor anyone else. I have great respect for those that do incredible things no matter how stupid they might seem and frankly... in this day and age, some of our greatest explorers and adventurers would be labeled as such by those who seek to deny a man freedom and the ability to do things that are out of the ordinary. If a man is willing to do something crazy because he believes in it... adrenaline junkie or not, I say, let him go. If he seeks to recklessly endanger others, it's entirely different. BTW, if you ever need a climbing partner. I've been instructing mountaineering for a few years now. I hate free climbing, but I love some mechanical accents and fast rappels. I have as much climbing gear as I do motorcycling gear even if it seldom gets used anymore. | ||
| Whatever |
I think you misunderstood my post. I do NOT think what goes on with the permitting on Everest is right and good. I posted exactly the OPPOSITE of what you are saying. Re read my post. I do not mean to be terse, I am typing from a phone. | ||
| Whatever |
Also, so you know, all rescue operations on Everest, K2, Annapurna, etc, are done by climbers who are deemed experts. That is part of the permit process. I do not know of any government airlifts done above base camp, unless things have changed. Most often the sherpas pay the ultimate price to rescue a non native. The understanding is it is part of the job when they sign up. | ||
| Sifo |
The sherpas get screwed every which way! | ||
| Whatever |
One of the sherpas that died up there had something like 13 Everest ascents including some without oxygen. | ||
| Sifo |
And yet few will ever know his name or accomplishments. The do amazing things and get little credit, at least publicly. | ||
| Nm5150 |
Just like Mr. Corliss the rescue workers make a choice and know what the risks are in the job they have chosen.I don't want anyone to get hurt but it happens.The job I have is more dangerouse,statisticly speaking,Than a LEO,EMT or first responder but I chose this job and I get paid well and am confadent I will make it out alive.You put others in danger everytime you pull out of the driveway.Life is not safe and I like it that way.If I screw up and it is too dangerouse for you to come help me then that is a decision I can not make for you and I am good with that and won't hold it against you even if it is your job.I made my own choices and so should you but you will not hear me whine about whether it is right or wrong.Mine is my choice and yours is yours.FWIW nobody gets out alive  | ||
| Whatever |
Maybe it isn't so much what he does that I really don't like as much as his attitude. It is hard to explain but I did rewatch the 20/20 episode. I just personally think the guy is an egotistical prick. No more arguing from me. |
