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     Aesquire |
Skipping the racist feces would indeed be welcome. It pretty much states you have no argument for your case. Call someone a Nazi and you lose the argument. ( even though it's freaking obvious that Politician A is a fascist clown... life's like that ) Claiming the "teaparty" is racist is such a crock. The most racist group in mainstream politics for over a century has been the D party. There was a large shift in southern D's to R's during the Nixon years, so there is some legacy southern racist D influence today in the R party, but it's minor. Examples of racist D's (and R's ) abound, but they are all old jerks. Most of all concern about racism in the US is from those who exploit it. It's not gone, damn it's satanic heart, but it isn't what it decades ago. And, With hard work and honesty it will improve as time goes on. The Constitution's place in the universe is to limit the power of Government. Or you get tyranny. Every single time. So, ideally decisions should be made with certain priorities. Ask this Question. Does Personal Freedom increase or decrease? ( if you haven't guessed, I mock myself in the previous post. If you're a Commie, you wouldn't get it.  ) | ||
| Boltrider |
Funny that JimiDan refers to the individual mandate as a tax. It was not sold as such by Obama and the Dems to the American people during the brief and pathetic vetting period, yet now that point is used in attempting to hold on to what was "gained" by that new law. (Message edited by boltrider on January 16, 2012) | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
A "tax" is only half of the equation. Yes, the Federal Government has the power to tax, but what the Federal Government can spend that tax revenue on is limited. The Progressives are hoping that by presenting the mandate as a tax that they can slip through the same needle's eye that allowed the creation of Social Security. Like Obamacare, Social Security was originally sold as "insurance". | ||
| Gschuette |
See! Romney just said he would also have signed NDAA as is if he we're president. Romney=Obama's second term. Wake up America! | ||
| Jimidan |
Old dog quote: "Racist ????? You mean factual, I don't give a $hit what color the prez is he is a total failure by every one of MY metrics, I am not as well off as i was several years ago, Unemployment is out of control, We are on a precipice of debit that we had better settle soon or else, We need oil and have the opportunity to build a pipe line and purchase it from Canada, and a whiney misguided few hold up the process WHY Because he wants their votes not whats good for the country, Oh and the banks and other institutions are plugged up with regs and red red tape.. Great Job there Barry Oh and its not Bushes fault," Factual???? I guess these are "facts" in this fact-free Faux News/Rush/Beck bubble that you live in here in Blakeland, where there were WMD's and the only question is "Was Dubya a great President or the greatest President?" You know, I watch Faux News sometimes and I sit back and marvel at the opinion that is being presented as fact without any actual supporting data backing these bizzarro allegations (like those leveled by Willard at the President), and I wonder what informed individuals in the world would believe this crap...and I am here to tell you that I now have my answer. A famous man once said, 'If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing.' That man was Malcolm X. But lets just look at a few of your "metrics"... "I am not as well off as i was several years ago," Why is that? You couldn't be super rich, or you would be much better off financially than you were just a few years ago if your income followed the trends that saw the top 1 percent's income skyrocket by 275 percent over the last 30 years. At the same time, tax rates have plummeted for the top earners. The decline in effective tax rates at the very top is due in large part to the capital gains tax cuts enacted in 1997 and 2003. The top marginal tax rate on capital gains is now 15 percent, less than half the top tax rate on wages and salaries. The top 400 taxpayers derived two-thirds of their income from capital gains and qualified dividends. If you were not ultra-rich, but just rich (in the top 20% that is), you also did pretty well, seeing your income rise by 65%. If you were in the bottom 80% like nearly everyone on here, then yes, your income has dropped over the same time period. However, it wasn't Obama's fault since he passed the largest middle class tax cut in recent history. With the huge Recovery Act tax cuts and the enormous December 2010 tax cuts combined, President Obama has already signed into law tax cuts amounting to more than $900 billion from 2009 through 2012. Even after accounting for legislation that the president signed that increased revenue during that period, President Obama has cut taxes by more than $850 billion in his first term, or approximately 1.5 percent of GDP. But TeaPublicans will not care about the truth. Most of them still believe the Tea Party lie that Obama has increased taxes. Yet, despite this fact, we’ve seen poll after poll indicate that people still believe President Obama has raised their taxes. In fact, Obama and the Democrats passed, without the help of the Republican caucus, 25 tax cuts LAST YEAR, mostly aimed at the middle class and small businesses. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements /2010/feb/02/david-axelrod/axelrod-claims-democrat s-passed-25-tax-cuts-last-y/ So, like Herman Cain said, if you ain't rich by now, it is YOUR fault. Yeah right, Herman. Old dog mythology: "Unemployment is out of control," Since Obama took office there has been 21 months of positive job growth. Lessee, in that same time period he killed Bin laden, saved US economy from free fall, saved US auto industry, ended Iraq war, and there is soon to be 30 million more Americans insured. Sounds pretty good to me, but I don't live in your altered reality bubble. Let's set the record straight. Anyone who remembers what happened during Clinton's Presidency will attest to this as I can. He raised the marginal rate and two things happened. 1-A SURPLUS was generated for every year after that in his two terms. 2-The Economy took off like a bat out of hell and never looked back...until Dubya started two wars and a prescription drug plan that weren't paid for while implementing a tax cut that heavily favored the rich. Duhhh! Under Bill Clinton we were at peace with the world, we made money and didn't piss anyone off. Yep, he got his knob blown and paid dearly for it. If it were up to me, every President should have some little sweetie blow their knob any time that they want it...it should be one of the perks, and would mean fewer wars for sure. Bill Clinton was forced to have coatroom standup sex and got impeached for it, while John Kennedy was doing Marilyn Monroe with Secret Service protection. It ain't right. It's not like we haven't noticed the literally millions of jobs disappeared in just the last eight years of the Bush/Cheney administration. Nor that millions more were lost when Reagan/Bush were in power. Every time Republicans are in office, the middle class shrinks. I don't need to see the statistics, although they certainly are there. I've lived through it. This Great Recession is worse than anything since WW II. It's not even businesses going under like most slowdowns of the first part of the 20th century. It's the deliberate offshoring of capital into either tax havens or the infrastructure of other countries, all of it encouraged by GOP government incentives implemented since the Raygun administration. Thanks Ronnie...here, choke on another jellybean. Hinkley should have had a bigger gun. Profits have gone up and continue to skyrocket. Yet the multinationals aren't even expanding overseas any longer. The top 2% are just hoarding trillions of dollars that could be used in an expansion after bringing down the credit markets and looting the treasuries of all the democracies. And they want MORE...our Social Security and Medicare are two more giant pools of money that they want to get their greedy fingers into (i.e: "privatized"). Why isn't this a mantra of the Democrats, that should be repeated as often as possible: "If tax cuts for the rich really creates jobs, then 2007-2008 should have been boom years for the economy. The Bush tax cuts had been in place for over 5 years by 2007, and the worst economy since the Great Depression was the result. We're still under the economy of the Bush tax cuts since the Republicans have insisted on extending them for the rich under the threat of closing down the government. They are trying to break us. If the middle class doesn't fight back, they just might take down capitalism entirely and replace it with some feudal set up that hasn't been seen since the Dark Ages. They want to bring back the bubonic plague for the greater glory of Ayn Rand? What kills me is that they can't even get Rand right. All of her capitalists were ethical....Rand created fictional characters without flaws. That doesn't work in the real world as we have seen recently on Wall Street. So, what have House Speaker Boner and the Republican class of 2010 been doing for the last year while they have NOT been creating jobs that they said they would...all of their time is being spent on legislation to kill unions, kill public education, PBS and NPR, and to put an end Planned Parenthood. We all should be mad as hatters. Someone has to show them the door or boot them through it. As far as Obama not creating jobs during his administration: http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-12-07/pol itics/30485008_1_unemployment-rate-obama-election- day "What the chart shows is that Obama inherited a bum economy but that, under his watch, things have begun to turn around. In the past year, the unemployment rate has dropped a full percentage point amid improving job growth. Assuming those trends continue, Obama will be able to say that, yes, the economy needs to be much stronger, but that it's currently heading in the right direction." Check it out up close and personal. Here's The One Unemployment Chart Obama Will Use To Win Reelection articles.businessinsider.com When President Obama makes his pitch to voters next year on why they should elect him to a second term, he'll likely point to some version of this chart. Arguing with you guys is like arguing with my kitchen table. (Message edited by Jimidan on January 17, 2012) | ||
| Aesquire |
Yep, total propaganda tool. How can unemployment decrease when 128000 get jobs, and 315000 are no longer counted? ( Nov 2011 ) Lies, damn lies, and statistics. Hits all the preprogrammed insults too. Faux news, etc. | ||
| Kenm123t |
Is Jimidan Debbie Wasserman- Schultz Brother? if not they are smoking the same weed Or he could be drinking up the profits of the family business | ||
| Oldog |
Since Obama took office there has been 21 months of positive job growth. .1% is below the level of noise in the metric, so IMO NO JOB GROWTH, FURTHER the folks that gave up are not being counted, Honest? Other than mentioning GW BUSH my comments my comments have nothing to do with him.. } Under Bill Clinton we were at peace with the world, Clinton was not the subject of discussion, I am aquainted with some of his child hood friends, interesting stories..... ( BTW I think the world of him for getting the reporters outa NK +2 Bill!) IIRC BC was sending cruise missles at various diverse places to shoot at terrorist camps. I am not clear but I believe that some nastyness in south centeral / eastern europe was in progress, Serbia / Croatia ? not absolutly sure. and what was the time frame of "BLACK HAWK DOWN"? as I said MY metrics, OK What do My metric comments have to do with my Racist views?? going back to the porch, dude put down the coolaid theres poision in it its killing yoru brain cells ..... | ||
| Hootowl |
"But the U.S.Constitution clearly allows the Federal Government to provide for the common good" False. Read it. It says: "We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America." It then goes on to lay out specific responsibilities and restrictions. The preamble is not law, the ensuing sections of the constitution are. | ||
| Hootowl |
"Under Bill Clinton we were at peace with the world" Really? The cruise missile president was at peace with the world? | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
Bill had to work with Newt to get anything passed. Obama doesnt work with anyone. He's too busy partying or playing golf. | ||
| Blake |
Final request Jim D.: Either recant and apologize for calling us racists or cease posting here. Your choice. BadWeB will not tolerate having anyone so divorced from thoughtful factual discussion polluting the forum. As for Fox News, unbiased study after study has shown their hard news reporting to be among the most accurate and unbiased if not the most unbiased of all the major television news organizations. But leftists and bleeding hearts hate the truth on account of their agenda is exposed for all to see. ACORN hates the truth. Van Jones and his communist revolutionaries hate the truth. Planned Parenthood hates the truth. PBS/NPR hate the truth. I for one don't even have cable television any more, haven't had it for two years or so; no Fox News here. I apply the same objective scrutiny to news reports that I do to structural engineering analyses. Spare me the adjectives, give me the facts. Your posts are short on facts and loaded with invective and leftist propaganda. You are following the Alinsky rules. We don't tolerate that for long around here. If a Republican were president now, what would you be saying? You'd be lambasting him. I would to. | ||
| Sifo |
Let's set the record straight. Anyone who remembers what happened during Clinton's Presidency will attest to this as I can. He raised the marginal rate and two things happened. 1-A SURPLUS was generated for every year after that in his two terms. 2-The Economy took off like a bat out of hell and never looked back...until Dubya started two wars and a prescription drug plan that weren't paid for while implementing a tax cut that heavily favored the rich. Duhhh! This is a huge falsehood. Clinton left office with the country in recession. Most of your "facts" are about as reliable from what I can see. You quote plenty of statistics that hint at support for your conclusions, but don't if you understand what's being measured. You don't provide the sources of all of this so I can't tell exactly who is twisting this into the false conclusions you tout. Someone is putting a lot of energy into falsely supporting certain ideas though, and that person is clearly smart enough to understand the dishonesty involved. It's been an entertaining chapter in this thread, but that's about it. | ||
| Hootowl |
There was a PROJECTED surplus for one year, which never materialized due to the .com bubble bursting. The fiscal restraint the country exhibited under Clinton was the result of Newt's congress, not Bill Clinton's frugality. We've seen what happens when Dems control Congress - Three years without a budget and a doubling of the national debt.} | ||
| Reindog |
Message retracted in an attempt to spread amity. Now back to the election of President Romney. **** Scanned and found to be Code-Word free. ****** (Message edited by reindog on January 17, 2012) | ||
| Blake |
Who do you think you're fooling? That's obviously code for racist code. | ||
| Mtjm2 |
Jim , my apology ?? | ||
| Sifo |
I'd kind of like to know who is accused of being racist. He cast a pretty wide net with that one. Either provide specific details or apologize to everyone! | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Hell, I'm still waiting for Jim to respond to my questions regarding the Constitution. I doubt I'll see that either. I'm checking the weather in hell. | ||
| Jimidan |
AESQUIRE SEZ: "Yep, total propaganda tool. How can unemployment decrease when 128000 get jobs, and 315000 are no longer counted? ( Nov 2011 )" My facts have full documentation and are sourced...unlike any other contradictory posts...just like FAUX Noose, with no data to back up wild assertions. http://www.bls.gov/web/empsit/ceshighlights.pdf kenm123 sez: "Or he could be drinking up the profits of the family business" I would have to be drunk to believe the totally unsubstantiated stuff you guys are posting. If any of these Republican clowns get in, I am sure that it will drive me to drink...but so far, not a drop...or a toke. Bueller, Bueller sez: "Bill had to work with Newt to get anything passed." Another lie that Newt is spreading...hey, I was alive and paying attention. The keystone legislation was the 1993 Deficit Reduction Plan that was passed without a single Republican vote.In 1993, President Clinton and Vice President Gore launched their economic strategy: (1) establishing fiscal discipline, eliminating the budget deficit, keeping interest rates low, and spurring private-sector investment; (2) investing in people through education, training, science, and research; and (3) opening foreign markets so American workers can compete abroad. After eight years, the results of President Clinton’s economic leadership were clear. Record budget deficits had become record surpluses, 22 million new jobs had been created, unemployment and core inflation were at their lowest levels in more than 30 years, and America was in the midst of the longest economic expansion in our history. This was done in spite of the Gingrich clan, not because of it. It is very well documented. Sifo sez: "Clinton left office with the country in recession. Most of your "facts" are about as reliable from what I can see." My stuff is sourced, where are your sources? Where are ANY of your alls' sources? You just expect to through stuff out there with no data and everybody is going to believe that it is the gospel. Hey, if we did that, we'd be no better than FAUX News. If you want to see whose comments that I thought were racially offensive, then you will have to go back in the earlier posts and read them for yourself...I was very specific about which ones I was talking about and gave my detailed reasons why in those posts. They are racially insensitive in my opinion, and appear to be designed to hurt people's feeling, particularly minorities. I cannot get into anyone's heart any more than they can get into mine, but you cannot say that I did not feel that they were thinly-veiled racial epithets, and I am not the only one who thinks so. This same language has been bandied about at Tea Party events and Republican debates by the Republican candidates, including Rick Perry (who even Cain called "insensitive"), Gingrich and Ron Paul, and has been widely criticized. If you had your head into anything but Faux News, it seems like you would know that. If you guys were all that sensitive about appearing to be racist for using that kind of language, then maybe you should consider NOT using it, even when you think that no one is listening like on this predominant Tea Party site. You are on the freakin' WWW here. Blake: "If a Republican were president now, what would you be saying? You'd be lambasting him. I would to." Yeah, but I wouldn't be trying to discredit him or her based on their ethnicity. I had plenty to say about Dubya's record back in the day, and most of it turned out to be correct (like no WMD, the folly of voodoo economics, etc.). You remember, don'cha? FB sez: "Hell, I'm still waiting for Jim to respond to my questions regarding the Constitution." I wrote several paragraphs addressing your post and ended it with the question, "So, what is your point?"...didn't you see my post? | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
I wrote several paragraphs addressing your post and ended it with the question, "So, what is your point?"...didn't you see my post? I don't miss much. http://www.badweatherbikers.com/cgibin/discus/show .cgi?tpc=4062&post=2170084#POST2170084 | ||
| Cowboy |
You know every thing was going along better thannow till the Demorats took the house then it started down hill---If this prez is dooing such a great job why are so many more house holds on food stamps than ever before????? | ||
| Sifo |
Sifo sez: "Clinton left office with the country in recession. Most of your "facts" are about as reliable from what I can see." My stuff is sourced, where are your sources? Where are ANY of your alls' sources? You just expect to through stuff out there with no data and everybody is going to believe that it is the gospel. Hey, if we did that, we'd be no better than FAUX News. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_2000s_recession | ||
| Reindog |
Plus you are a troll, Jimidan. This thread is about President Romney and you hijacked it with charges of racism. **** Scanned and found to be Code-Word free. ****** | ||
| Aesquire |
There was a PROJECTED surplus for one year, which never materialized due to the .com bubble bursting. Sorta true. We almost had a balanced budget. But, as is common, the revised figures the next season indicated that Clinton's folk had overestimated the economy by 30%. So.... almost a surplus. Best effort since before WW2, actually, and you have to give Newt & Bill credit, but not too much credit. Heard a Newt ad on the way home today claiming 4 years of balanced budget. Um. Not quite. Political ads ( from anyone, IMO ) have only a passing relation to reality.. ( like, "hey! isn't that reality over there?" ) Looked at the BLS pdf. It's a powerpoint presentation with pretty graphs and lots of cheerful bullet points. And lacks data. Does show clearly that the economy tanked when the D's took over the Congress in 2007 ( ironic as all get out that, since the D's took over because many conservative R's were Pi$$ed that the R's in congress spent too much money, and the balanced budget thing was history. Blame Bush for that one. Compassionate Conservatism my shiny metal Butt. ) Nov. 2011. 120000+ got jobs. What's the number you need per month to actually increase overall employment? http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/money_co/2011/07/u nemployment-june.html Many economists say the economy needs to create 125,000 new net jobs a month just to keep pace with the growing population of working age people. O’Keefe believes that even more jobs, perhaps as many as 175,000 a month, are needed to hold the unemployment rate steady because many more older workers, their wealth stunted by the recession, have delayed retirement. By that standard, we barely broke even in Nov. Plus 315,000 people were taken off the "wanna get a job" list, meaning 2 things. 1. They are listed as long term "not even bothering to look" So 315 thousand more failures for Barry. 2. that changes the divisor in the calculation so that Obama could claim a better number for unemployment than reality. Lies, damn lies, and statistics. One newspaper calculated the actual rate at, not less than 9% but actually 12%. I haven't gone over their numbers, and don't know if it counts an earlier lie when unemployment "went down" for the exact same reason last year. http://www.bls.gov/home.htm The number you hear on tv is just one figure. It's not the percentage of the population not working, it's ( very simplified ) people on unemployment, and people using the Dept of Labor system to search for jobs. ( a requirement in some? states to get unemployment, I believe ) So when you quit going in to look at the listings for jobs you are not qualified for, ( "8 years experience in machines invented 3 years ago" ) or wouldn't take on a bet, ( watch Mike Rowe on "Dirty Jobs" ) you fall off the "unemployment" listing read on tv. You're still unemployed though. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Yeah, Clinton used a nice trick of "intergovernmental debt" to give the illusion of a "surplus" while the overall national debt remained unchanged. | ||
| Reindog |
Chris Christie would make a great Vice President under President Romney. !!!!!!!!!! ALERT !!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!! CODE WORD(S) DETECTED !!!!!!!! | ||
| Sifo |
So it sounds like Jimidan seems to think invading Iraq was the wrong move. I'm curious what he thinks the right move would have been and where that would have us now. Please keep in mind that the status-quo was not going to stand with the liberals claiming up to 250,000 children per year dieing because of the lack of food and medicine caused by sanctions on Iraq. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Here we go again.  | ||
| Oldog |
I thought Mitt did a fair job at the debate the other night, I think he should make his tax info public, and stop the attack adds, BUT NEWT Won the night!, The food stamp president! The corridor of shame, I liked him calling Juan Williams out with facts! when he speaks he's usualy right, Romney attack adds in Iowa got 4 Pinocchios for errors when called out on the Bain infomercial, he (Newt) said that there were inaccuracies that needed to be checked and addressed. |
