| Author | Message | ||
     Reepicheep |
I stole it from John Eldredge. But that's OK, he stole a bunch of it from Chesterton and Lewis. Who shamelessly lifted it from some old Jewish guy.  | ||
| Blake |
>>> They study entirely different holy books, believe in different prophets, and get into heaven differently than all of the other Christian denominations. Educate yourself. You've been misled. | ||
| Slaughter |
Using Christ in a title of your little group does not necessarily make you a Christian (witness Jim Jones, David Koresh) - any more than carrying an American flag and reciting the pledge of allegiance by rote makes you a patriotic American (witness the KKK). | ||
| Littlebuggles |
To the OP, that's a silly little cartoon, and I agree with the several who've said South Park was more accurate, mocking, but far more accurate, and they mock everyone so what's the difference there? You really believe that crap? Trouble is there is just enough truth on the hook for them to set it and reel you in with all the rest of the bait. "Most Mormons are good, upstanding, conservative people who love America. - Reindog" "However, there are an incredible amount of Mormons in the Intell fields, especially the Army Linguist Intell fields.... Some of the hardest working, diligent and eager linguists I have ever worked with. I would not hesitate to work with any of them again, at a moments notice. – Cityxslicker" To those guys as well as Blake I'll say thanks! And Blake has done a nice job spelling it out. I like his unbiased but experienced opinion. For those of you who have issue with the Mormon scriptures, Mormon's read the King James version, and are encouraged to understand it in one of the earlier translations of it. How many times has your bible been translated, and by whom? There are any number of splinter groups who may call themselves Mormons who are not accepted as members by the actual church. Jeff's is evil, he's also not a member of the Mormon church, he is a man of his own religion, calling himself a Mormon. The reality though, is that if you walk into a real Mormon church (the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints) you will find the same doctrines taught, pretty much anywhere in the world. I'm not sure if Ft is saying Mormons aren't Christians, or just the Mormonism isn't a very good example of Christianity. Either way I disagree. Mormons are taught to be followers of Christ, the same Christ as everyone else. "By their fruit ye shall know them." Don't judge a man by what he says, 'cause what he does will tell you. Just look at our current president, you can learn a lot about a man by observing his behavior over a period of time. Anyway, if you want to learn about a religion from people who hate them go ahead and try to find some real facts, you might find some good writing that is complete fiction, or even historical fiction based loosely on events that have been rumored to have happened... but most people should see that you get your truth served best, right from the horses mouth. While I don't agree with this dude's choice of bike's I think this is decent video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQGuDslF9Uo Sorry I didn't imbed the vid for you. | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
Don't judge a man by what he says, 'cause what he does will tell you. That's sound advice! Chistianity, Christ followers, Mormons, Jews, Muslims... love 'em all and let God sort it out. And so is this. I'm not at all religious personally & the more I see of how it's used/misused the less I like it. That said, I agree with the overall principle of most religions, that of trying to live a good life & do right by my fellow man. Natural causes apart, more people die from religion/doctrine than anything else as far as I can see. So for my part you can keep it, I'm quite comfortable with the life I've lived & I'm fully prepared to be judged on it if indeed there is a God who does such a thing. You could call me a Humanist perhaps but I wouldn't go that far, I think of myself more as a Being-ist. Some of you will surely scream "Cop-out" but I couldn't give a toss. I've been on this planet for over 50 years, I'm well educated & widely read & have reached my own conclusions which I am comfortable with. I denigrate no-one & admire the faith of those who have it, but I despise those who use it for their own ends. I lost people I knew in Northern Ireland who were trying to protect innocent people from Christians on both sides. The atrocities committed in the name of God or against God the world over disgust me, & I cannot conceive of a god who would let such things happen in his name. Live & let live. Love, light & peace to all. | ||
| Davegess |
Mr Grumpy ++ | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Ft is saying Mormons aren't Christians Yep. Exactly what I'm saying. Doesn't mean they aren't really REALLY nice people, nor does it mean that some people who call themselves Christians aren't really nasty people. The main core principles of the Mormon religion are simply not consistent with the bible and have been added or grafted onto Christianity. 18 I am telling everyone who hears the words that are written in this book: If anyone adds anything to what is written in this book, God will add to him the kinds of trouble that this book tells about. 19 If anyone takes away any part of this book that tells what will happen in the future, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the Holy City, which are told about in this book. Revelation 22:18-19 Simply put, add to what is written (Book of Mormon) and God's punishment will follow. It's pretty clear. Mormonism is a Christianity based cult. So are some Baptist churches or Methodist churches or Catholic churches. Just enough Christianity to believe you are getting the real thing but swallowing sweetened poison instead. I don't know any clearer way to say it. | ||
| Moxnix |
Ft B +++ | ||
| Sifo |
I tend to agree with Ft B, BUT... It's not for me to be the judge on if Mormons are Christians. That's between them and God. Same goes for other religions such as Black Liberation Theology for example. Again, neither really bothers me in a President as long as they aren't pushing their beliefs on the nation. BO has pushed the idea of "collective salvation". That was part of his reasoning for the health care legislation we got. That pisses me off. I've not heard Romney pushing ideas and backing them with ideas from his theology yet. That's enough for me to know about their religions. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
It's not for me to be the judge on if Mormons are Christians. That's between them and God. Sounds good but it simply isn't a true statement. Nearly every single letter from Peter, Paul, Timothy, etc. contained admonitions against false teachings. The bible gives clear instructions on what constitutes Christianity and what is false. I'm not judging people caught in the lie of Mormonism. I'm judging Mormonism as a theology. It simply is false teaching. If I know it to be false and yet don't confront it as so, am I not condemning those who follow after it? I would do the same with false teaching in a Baptist church or a Catholic church or a Methodist church. Paul did the same thing. So did Peter. So did Timothy. We like a go along, get along view of religion because it's non-confrontational. It's political correctness done church style. If you were about to ingest poison, would I not have an obligation to warn you, or would it be ok to say "you know I'm pretty sure that strychnine will kill you, but maybe it's ok for that person. We'll just let him drink it and see what happens." If you are Mormon and feel that I am incorrect, test what I am saying. Either I am right and Mormonism is false, or you are right and there are many ways to salvation. And Jesus was a liar. | ||
| Davegess |
Fort, your saying that Catholics are not Christians? You must be kidding; they INVENTED Christianity. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Dave where did I say the catholics or not christian? | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Catholics "invented" Christianity? Really? | ||
| Mayerhd |
I had a buddy that was/is Catholic, we had many conversations about religion. "Catholics are not Christians" a direct quote from him. His feeling was all non Catholics, Christian or not, are doomed to eternal damnation, only Catholics will be saved. And no, I'm not going to assume that he represented every Catholic person's views. I'm simply relating what one professed Catholic follower told me. | ||
| Hootowl |
"only Catholics will be saved." Have to reference South Park again...crappy video, sorry. | ||
| Slaughter |
It was the JEWS who invented Christianity. Get your history straight! | ||
| Slaughter |
(and the Romans) | ||
| Slaughter |
The guy with Christian card #1 was a Jew. | ||
| Davegess |
FT, Here is what you said Mormonism is a Christianity based cult. So are some Baptist churches or Methodist churches or Catholic churches. Just enough Christianity to believe you are getting the real thing but swallowing sweetened poison instead. AS far as inventing it, there is a pretty clear historic linkage from Peter to Rome. All your mainstream Protestant churches spun off from Rome. Invent is not the absolute correct word but Catholics were the 1st Christians. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
My point was that one could find false teachings in mainstream denominations as well as in cults like Mormonism and JW. Are there practicing Catholics going through the motions of the religious rituals while not really being a follower of Christ? Absolutely! The same can be said of folks sitting in pews in Baptist churches as well. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
The catholic church wasn't created until 380 A.D. when it became the state religion under Augustine. The Church itself existed for 350 years before the catholic church even existed or was formally founded. Catholic teaching states that the catholic church was established when Jesus made Peter the first Pope. Unfortunately, this isn't really accurate and is revisionist history. It is as correct as saying Al Gore created the internet. It just isn't so. | ||
| Slaughter |
You are ALL going to HELL in somebody's religion. Nothing to see here... move along now. (are you saying that St Albert of Gore did NOT INVENT the internet??? BLASPHEMY!) | ||
| Buellkowski |
Wasn't Jesus put to death for his "false teaching?" And yet his teaching is held as truth. Protestants were once heretics. Out of heresy springs salvation. Who's to say that Mormonism is not entitled to the same path? | ||
| Cityxslicker |
As long as there was a Papacy in Rome claiming their preordained rite.... there has been an Orthodoxy that was opposed to it. They hardly invented it; if anything... they should be hit with Royalties from Mithras Legend (but thats another story) | ||
| Littlebuggles |
"His feeling was all non Catholics, Christian or not, are doomed to eternal damnation, only Catholics will be saved." "The Church itself existed for 350 years before the catholic church even existed or was formally founded. Catholic teaching states that the catholic church was established when Jesus made Peter the first Pope. Unfortunately, this isn't really accurate and is revisionist history." Two very accurate statements. Jeremy, I contend your belief that Revelation 22:18-19 applies to the entire Bible, and hold it strictly to to the Book of Revelation. Otherwise any editing or translation of the Book from it's original written language is adding or taking away. Your New English Version of the Bible says "anyone", my King James, which is a much earlier text says "any man shall add unto these things..." Translation is always interpretive. If you speak, or have even attempted to learn another language you know this: It is impossible to translate anything without changing the words, how then are we to not add or take away from the original words of John? How is it even possible? Will you hold to the spirit of the law in one thing, yet embrace the letter of the law in another, and turn completely away from understanding? Exact text from King James Edition is this: 18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 19 And if a man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. It's a popular belief that this statement was in reference to the entire Bible. Was John the Revelator actually writing in his compiled copies of the works (a complete Bible excepting Revelations) preceding his prophecies? If so your argument is valid. If he was writing of these things in a personal epistle to be published to the seven churches which were in Asia... well then it's an entirely different matter. It would then be a warning to any who handled or read his message to deliver it as it was written. That should hold the same today of John's message, don't change it or you will be cursed. If you believe revelation stopped with John then you believe in a changeable God. Many believe that in a time long before fossil fuel powered ships, airplanes and satellite transmissions that God appeared to only one group of people and his message was shared only with them. If they were the only people in the world good enough to receive His gospel, why did they crucify Him? Do you believe God is not a God of revelation? Do you perhaps believe God is not a God of miracles? If He is not, then he is a changeable God, and is not God at all. Perhaps you believe He lacked the power, or foresight, to share His gospel with people in other parts of the world? Maybe you believe he lacks the power to provide a way for us to learn of His interactions with other people, excuse, other children of God? The popular contention that the Book of Mormon adds to the Bible, or takes away from it is completely incorrect. It is another witness, another testimony. A record from another people. It does not argue with the Bible, it doesn't seek to supplant the words of the Apostles. It simply provides more proof of others' faith in the God that gave us all life. It provides more proof to us as believers in a Savior, there is nothing there to take away from Christianity, only to make it stronger. | ||
| Hughlysses |
The catholic church wasn't created until 380 A.D. when it became the state religion under Augustine. That would be the Roman Catholic Church. "Catholic" and "Roman Catholic" are not synonymous. Don't forget the various Orthodox Christian Churches (Greek, Russian, American). The Roman Catholics thinks us protestants strayed and left the "true" church; the Orthodox churches thinks the Roman Catholics left the "true" church. Oddly enough (or maybe not), the Orthodox churches are closer in their basic beliefs to most protestant churches than they are to Roman Catholics. | ||
| Slaughter |
What more proof do you need:  | ||
| Mtjm2 |
Union , you have more to worry about than Mormons !! The President is doing such a good job that he now has to get a new VP to get reelected ? Hope you didnt put an ANGLE on your holiday tree . | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
That would be the Roman Catholic Church. "Catholic" and "Roman Catholic" are not synonymous. Don't forget the various Orthodox Christian Churches (Greek, Russian, American). The Roman Catholics thinks us protestants strayed and left the "true" church; the Orthodox churches thinks the Roman Catholics left the "true" church. Oddly enough (or maybe not), the Orthodox churches are closer in their basic beliefs to most protestant churches than they are to Roman Catholics. Both the Roman Catholic Church and the later Eastern (or Greek) Orthodox Church had their beginnings when Augustine "industrialized" Christianity and made it the state religion. It wasn't until the "great schism" of 1054 that there was a distinction between what later became the Roman Catholic Church and the Eastern Orthodox Church. All other catholic variations came much after. | ||
| Moxnix |
It's my opine that the Coptic Christian Church uses the oldest and most original written theology of all the orthodox Christian faiths. The minor arcana and the major arcana of a pack of tarot cards overlap into so many religions these days. Ho, hum. I'm not in agreement with Mormonism, and note the slew of commercials announcing them as Christians over the past year. The timing with Romney's presidential run caught my cynical eye. Is Mitt wearing magic underwear? Look, Ol' Smith was a high degree mason and the overlap between masonic mumbo jumbo and early Mormonism is note to be ignored. On the other hand, 12 million Mormons under the influence of a church promising celestial real estate for the pliable and their children is a fine place to recruit pliable people. I don't mind Mormons. Just don't agree with the indoctrinary thought reform process that rules their life and beliefs such as "blood sacrifice" on the part of we gentiles to settle disputes, "endowment" of high power in a temple, or celestial marriage. Doesn't matter. I'm a messianic gentile with a KJV that covers everything. |
