| Author | Message | ||
     Xdigitalx |
I wonder if he can prolong this escapade till after he is elected? | ||
| Gregtonn |
"And I gave a very plausible scenario for these events which would - obviously - not be politically motivated." Actually your scenario is politically motivated. It for good reason, however the intent is still to prevent someone from reaching political office. G | ||
| Sifo |
Remember John Edwards? Wasn't he the Presidential candidate that had a sex scandal and cover up that the NYT knew about, but decided not do any stories on? | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
It doesn't matter whether the allegations are true or not. The benefit of those involved is to discredit a front runner. I suspect Perry's camp. The Democrats are merely the beneficiaries of the plot. The left absolutely can't have a successful black man or woman rise within the republican party. They simply can't have two black candidates. | ||
| Pwnzor |
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| Blake |
>>> Remember John Edwards? I do. Though they knew about it, the media buried that story for a LONGGGG time. Fail. | ||
| Reindog |
So if Allred's client was sexually exploited, why did she make a political speech? Double fail. So exactly HOW much cocaine did Obama use? Why does Obama hide his educational transcript? Is Jesse Jackson guilty of exploiting a gay man? | ||
| Fahren |
One example of many: Weiner Spitzer Gary Hart and the Gubbernator, Mark Sanford etc., etc. ...and let's not forget Dominique Strauss-Khan, the French Socialist with his "liason dangereuse" at the NYC Sofitel. Allcharges dropped, but not before he lost his post as head of the IMF and also had to drop out of the French presidential race. This stuff never stops. Both sides get hit hard; if it's not with women, it's with young girls. Or young boys. Easy to imagine someone in Cain's position of power abusing it, taking advantage, a little "harmless fun," a "perk." He had, after all, "no political aspirations" at the time of the alleged incidents. Nothing to lose, no image to worry about. Dem's and Repubs are both heavy offenders, but the Right gets it Wrong just a bit more than the Left: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2010/03/30/w hich-party-has-more-sex-scandals.html (Message edited by fahren on November 07, 2011) | ||
| Reindog |
CNN Runs More Stories on Cain 'Scandal' in Six Days Than it Did Obama's Ties to Ayers, Rezko and Wright Combined. If you needed any more evidence of the political leaning of CNN, consider that much like Politico, it has in the last six days done at least 94 reports on the sexual harassment allegations involving Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain. Substantially more shocking, according to LexisNexis, the supposedly most trusted name in news only did 77 total stories on Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama's ties to domestic terrorist Bill Ayers, convicted real estate developer Tony Rezko, and America-hating Rev. Jeremiah Wright. http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2011/11 /05/cnn-runs-more-stories-cain-scandal-six-days-it -covered-obamas-ties-ay | ||
| Aesquire |
Let's not forget William Jefferson "put some ice on that" Clinton. Accused of rape, ( never brought to trial ) multiple counts of infidelity ( most true ) and using police to pander for him. ( multiple witnesses, but that was while Governor. The SS doesn't talk. ) Only the uptight really cared that the oathbreaker Clinton got laid. Many were kinda happy that he was getting some from somewhere. The cynical and sarcastic among us were unhappy with Hillary. Keeping the Prez relaxed is the First ladies job after all, right? ...... Ok after reflection, You go Monica. Ft_, I suspect that Perry's crew was set up by Rahm. We may not know for years, but that's my current guess. Not that Republican dirty tricksters are any nicer than Democrat ones. All it would take is for Obama's minions to quietly contact Perry's minions, "anon" and let desperation and greed take over. | ||
| Kilroy |
This should not even remotely be considered to have been "sexual harassment." If anything (if it is even true) it was a sexual advance that was snubbed. Then he stopped. Same thing happens thousands of times across the country in backseats everywhere. Cain held no power over this woman, and she was not harmed by not accepting his advance. She entered the encounter without a job with the NRA, and she left the encounter without a job with the NRA. No harm. No sexual harassment. Period. | ||
| Chauly |
I've seen various Dems listed as having been exposed (  by the media in recent years by the media. Is it a coincidence that that rise corresponds to the Internet, conservative talk radio, Fox News, etc.? There are convincing cases to be made that some of the older ones mentioned (such as Gary Hart) and actually even a recent one (John Edwards) were torpedoed by their own party to give the potential primary victor an edge. This may be a Perry stunt (since it affects the primary the most) and the info may have been provided by Rahm & Co., but I tend to agree with Aesquire that the Obama campaign would have waited for maximum effect. | ||
| Reindog |
It was heartwarming to watch the soldier in Allred's army be tossed softballs on The Today Show this morning. The chick who has declared bankruptcy twice is absolutely not doing this for the money. Allred is absolutely not doing this for political reasons. All Ann Curry could blurb out was "Point taken" and sympathetically touch the accuser's knee. | ||
| Sifo |
Mark Levin asking some good questions... | ||
| Reindog |
The Chicago Sun Times is breaking a story that Bialek was seen hugging Cain one month ago at a TeaParty event. Isn't that special? Bialek hugged Cain one month ago As usual, the media coverage will just change the channel and find something new to attack with in order to support Obama's candidacy. | ||
| Pwnzor |
As usual, the media coverage will just change the channel and find something new to attack with in order to support Obama's candidacy. The question in my mind is, will the next claim be more or less spurious than the preceding ones?  | ||
| Oldog |
look at it this way after the Bialek, hug when Cain has been cleared, of this crap, What else can they throw at him, IF he is cleared of this one, the others dont count, the whole sorded mess stinks of smear attack.. how do we beat obama, with a CAIN! | ||
| Sifo |
A couple more questions... Why does this lady even need a lawyer? Who is paying for the lawyer? Almost certainly, Allred is doing this pro bono. What is Allred's motivation in this? How did Bialek and Allred come to their arrangement? Clearly this isn't a normal case of sexual harassment. There's a lot of other factors at work here. | ||
| Geforce |
I'm not buying any part of this "scandal". It smells of dis-genuine political smearing. Had these women come forward with horrific sexual assault stories with vivid accounts of barbaric, predatory events... perhaps with a little evidence to back it up... THEN I'll believe it, and my support for Mr. Cain will cease immediately as that sort of treatment towards women is inexcusable. Until they bring forward a little proof, it's just a she said, he said time waster. And quite frankly, the nation has bigger issues to worry about than something that happened over a decade ago. Kinda funny that these "sexual harassment" issues didn't seem to bother these women over a decade ago when Mr. Cain was a simple businessman... yet now, that he's running for the POTUS... it is such a HUGE deal. If anything, Mr. Cain is guilty of putting himself in a questionable situation. I wasn't there, so it's up to him to put an end to this once and for all. This is just the beginning though, you couldn't pay me enough to run for any office. I'm sure in my short history I've done something that has offended someone. That's just part of being human though. | ||
| Fahren |
Anita Hill's opinion of the current situation:
from: http://www.forbes.com/sites/annedoyle/2011/11/07/a nita-hill-on-herman-cain-sexual-harassment-will-ra ce-still-trump-gender/ | ||
| Xdigitalx |
This is totally pathetic. Slightly entertaining, but very pathetic. He will get my vote in a heartbeat if he is the one. What Cain did 14 years ago makes no difference to how he is gonna run the Whitehouse, I bet Cain just has too much class to bring up that the woman was probably a very flirty slut. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
He's black. All black men grope women, right? This disgusts me. Where's the NAACP? I sincerely hope he gets clear of this. | ||
| Xodot |
Xdigitalx - "I bet Cain just has too much class to bring up that the woman was probably a very flirty slut." We see you are not constrained by the burden of having class | ||
| Xdigitalx |
Got a quarter?  | ||
| Xdigitalx |
She was probably a real hottie 14 years ago. Cain was just tryin to spread some a his sugar... | ||
| Pwnzor |
Where's the NAACP? Cain isn't colored enough for them. | ||
| Hootowl |
They're doing what they always do, which is to promote Progressivism. Has nothing to do with race. Cain isn't a Progressive, and they don't support him. | ||
| Reindog |
What a load of BS. *Who gives s**t one what Anita Hill has to say? She was involved in the attempted lynching of Clarence Thomas. Her credibility is less than zero. *Not sure why the Cain haters can't seem to get this but Cain COULDN'T comment on the settled case because of confidentiality clauses. He was put in a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. *Because of the low $ figures, these appear to be nuisance suits. *Allred's gravy train should have been advised to keep her yapper shut as she has no proof other than "he said, she said". In a political context, this is nothing more than the legal lynching of a Black man. * Why did Bialek publicly hug Cain at a TeaParty rally a month ago? *Why is the Left not as outraged by Jesse Jackson's "he said, he said" allegations? | ||
| Fahren |
Listening to Cain respond to allegations, he is really unconvincing. He is trying to get out from under this by total denial of ever, ever having treated any woman unfairly or inappropriately, yet there were, what, two different settlements with women who accused him way back when? As potential presidential material, I want a guy to man up to mistakes he has made, even if he just feels that someone may have misunderstood his acts or intentions, and face it. Total denial doesn't cut it after what we have already seen of this. Total denial of even having a clue who she is, after she and a witness both say she was with him a month ago backstage after a Tea Party? Unlike many of the posts above, I won't pretend to judge guilt or innocence. Back to Blake's initial comment, if he's guilty, let him hang; if they are guilty of false accusations, let them hang. All I am doing is trying to keep a fairly impartial, open mind about it, and just listen to what comes out, and go with what my instinct tells me. And my gut tells me that Cain's best, maybe only option at this point in the drama for him to get out of it is to go the total denial route - problem is, it just doesn't make much sense, in light of what he has already said, nor in light of what little we do know at this point about there being four women accusers. You have to remember, Cain asked for the public eye to be on him - the women who allege Cain's misconduct never asked to be in the public spotlight, and probably have no wish to be there. Lots of people dissed Anita Hill - from some of what I read above, some still are. | ||
| Reepicheep |
So Faren, do you still beat your wife? That's the game they are currently playing with the "why won't he just apologize" talking points. Don't get suckered into that and get distracted from the real questions. The settlements were "termination agreements". Know anyone who has been through a divorce and talked to a lawyer? They will give you a list of "magic things" to say that will get you the best possible outcome. They will tell you how to say them so you don't perjure yourself, but so that the opposition knows that you "could go there" and that you won't if the settlement terms are fair. It doesn't matter if they are true, it's part of the well understood game. I look forward to learning more about the truth as well, and think somebody on some side ought to hang as well. But "there were 3 or 4 termination agreements for people that worked with the man in some capacity in a big beauracracy" is far from an indictment. Especially when the settlements were chump change to the company. Anyone here in HR for a "big company" that would be willing to post anonymously with a rough figure for how many average "termination agreements" are executed a year for a typical CEO by subordinates that include vague threats of sexual harassment? Maybe it is really rare. Maybe 4 in 20 years is extraordinarily low. I don't know... Cain's flat out denial will at least help things move forward. If it went down the way she said, there ought to be receipts and paper trails. Perhaps not easy to dig up, but something is likely to come up before long. Right now, this is a "he said, she said", and her character seems much less credible than his. But who knows... Anita Hill had non trivial credibility problems when she came forward as well. And the presses refusal to really dig into the possibility that she did what she did because she would do anything to keep abortion legal made it impossible to pull any meaningful conclusions from the whole testimony. The fact that time has passed doesn't make her more (or less) credible. If anything, the fact that there have been no issues with Thomas on the bench, or no other issues coming forward, says something. |
