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Drkside79
Posted on Thursday, September 22, 2011 - 09:18 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

So I am pro Capitol Punishment.

That being said I am a bit put off by yesterdays execution in GA. I admit that I may have been swayed by outside opinion but it seems that when the ex head of the FBI is saying that this execution is BS perhaps America should have intervened.

I'm looking for insight perhaps from those with more info than me.

Oh and good morning to you!
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Trojan
Posted on Thursday, September 22, 2011 - 09:33 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Read John Grisham's novel 'The Confession'. Even though it is a work of fiction (based on certain facts) you can understand why innocent people are still being executed by the complicated and convoluted US justice system: (

Trouble is there are plenty of guilty people who deserve it that clutter up prisons, so what is the answer?
We stopped captial punishment here in the UK because of the old 'better to save 100 guilty men than to hang one innocent' argument, but that is a little simplistic for me.

In this case it seems that 7 of the 9 witnesses recanted on their statements, so the legal system needs to answer a few important questions.
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Boogiman1981
Posted on Thursday, September 22, 2011 - 09:35 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

it's not a justice system it is a legal system that allows you to buy as much justice as you can afford.

havent really heard of the case before this week but it would seem to me that the circumstances are not what they appeared to be in 1991....
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Slaughter
Posted on Thursday, September 22, 2011 - 09:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have turned the corner a decade ago on capital punishment.

We SHOULD believe that the guilty are the only ones in line for death but it has been shown not to be the case.

Surely, this hemmorhoid cop-killer deserved to be removed from society's rectum - but I'm concerned about those who may have been executed and those who will be executed who are innocent.

I feel that we must have a DEFINITE life sentence for the guilty - but I'm no longer willing to accept the occasional execution of an innocent person (or the risk of it) in order to advocate the death penalty.

(Slaughter pulls pin, opens door, tosses grenade, slams door as spoon flies and fuse burns)

I've always been intrigued by people who are willing to accept the occasional killing of an innocent person and yet are against abortion.
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Blake
Posted on Thursday, September 22, 2011 - 09:51 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

>>> when the ex head of the FBI is saying that this execution is BS

More information please. Coulter's column talked about the issue. The information she raised in contrast to what the liberal media reported is interesting.

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=46347

Some of the pertinent stuff...

After a two-week trial with 34 witnesses for the state and six witnesses for the defense, the jury of seven blacks and five whites took less than two hours to convict Davis of Officer Mark MacPhail's murder, as well as various other crimes. Two days later, the jury sentenced Davis to death.
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It has been claimed -- in The New York Times and Time magazine, for example -- that there was no "physical evidence" connecting Davis to the crimes that night.

Davis pulled out a gun and shot two strangers in public. What "physical evidence" were they expecting? No houses were broken into, no cars stolen, no rapes or fistfights accompanied the shootings. Where exactly would you look for DNA? And to prove what?

I suppose it would be nice if the shell casings from both shootings that night matched. Oh wait -- they did. That's "physical evidence."

It's true that the bulk of the evidence against Davis was eyewitness testimony. That tends to happen when you shoot someone in a busy Burger King parking lot.
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Eyewitness testimony, like all evidence tending to show guilt, has gotten a bad name recently, but the "eyewitness" testimony in this case did not consist simply of strangers trying to distinguish one tall black man from another. For one thing, several of the eyewitnesses knew Davis personally.

The bulk of the eyewitness testimony established the following:

Two tall, young black men were harassing a vagrant in the Burger King parking lot, one in a yellow shirt and the other in a white Batman shirt. The one in the white shirt used a brown revolver to pistol-whip the vagrant. When a cop yelled at them to stop, the man in the white shirt ran, then wheeled around and shot the cop, walked over to his body and shot him again, smiling.

Some eyewitnesses described the shooter as wearing a white shirt, some said it was a white shirt with writing, and some identified it specifically as a white Batman shirt. Not one witness said the man in the yellow shirt pistol-whipped the vagrant or shot the cop.

Several of Davis' friends testified -- without recantation -- that he was the one in a white shirt. Several eyewitnesses, both acquaintances and strangers, specifically identified Davis as the one who shot Officer MacPhail.
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Now the media claim that seven of the nine witnesses against Davis at trial have recanted.

First of all, the state presented 34 witnesses against Davis -- not nine -- which should give you some idea of how punctilious the media are about their facts in death penalty cases.

Among the witnesses who did not recant a word of their testimony against Davis were three members of the Air Force, who saw the shooting from their van in the Burger King drive-in lane. The airman who saw events clearly enough to positively identify Davis as the shooter explained on cross-examination, "You don't forget someone that stands over and shoots someone."

Recanted testimony is the least believable evidence since it proves only that defense lawyers managed to pressure some witnesses to alter their testimony, conveniently after the trial has ended. Even criminal lobbyist Justice William Brennan ridiculed post-trial recantations.

Three recantations were from friends of Davis, making minor or completely unbelievable modifications to their trial testimony. For example, one said he was no longer sure he saw Davis shoot the cop, even though he was five feet away at the time. His remaining testimony still implicated Davis.

One alleged recantation, from the vagrant's girlfriend (since deceased), wasn't a recantation at all, but rather reiterated all relevant parts of her trial testimony, which included a direct identification of Davis as the shooter.

Only two of the seven alleged "recantations" (out of 34 witnesses) actually recanted anything of value -- and those two affidavits were discounted by the court because Davis refused to allow the affiants to testify at the post-trial evidentiary hearing, even though one was seated right outside the courtroom, waiting to appear.

The court specifically warned Davis that his refusal to call his only two genuinely recanting witnesses would make their affidavits worthless. But Davis still refused to call them -- suggesting, as the court said, that their lawyer-drafted affidavits would not have held up under cross-examination.

With death penalty opponents so fixated on Davis' race -- he's black -- it ought to be noted that all the above witnesses are themselves African-American. The first man Davis shot in the car that night was African-American.


Trust the liberal (mainstream) media? Not so much.

But a former head of the FBI said the execution was "BS"? Oh, ok. Uhm, just wondering... what might his views on capital punishment be? Who might he work for now?
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Blake
Posted on Thursday, September 22, 2011 - 09:56 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I happen to oppose capital punishment. I'd prefer hard labor and a shared bunk, work 12 hours/day in two shifts.

Steve,

>>> We SHOULD believe that the guilty are the only ones in line for death but it has been shown not to be the case.

I've heard that before too, pretty much conventional wisdom. Coulter doesn't buy it. I'm wondering what specifically that is based upon. If it's based on the kind of reporting that we are seeing in the liberal media on this current case, then I'm much less concerned.

Texas just executed the guy who chained and dragged a man behind his truck. Tough to not support that one.
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Drkside79
Posted on Thursday, September 22, 2011 - 09:59 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

OK i paraphrased (a bit) on the BS part.

I'll work on finding the article i read though.

Either way i was curious on your opinions.

BTW I had no issue with the scumbag your state took care of last night Blake
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Blake
Posted on Thursday, September 22, 2011 - 10:01 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Whether you agree with it or not, characterizing the legal execution of a soundly convicted murderer as "murder" itself is really unfortunate. I think this issue drummed up by the libs is yet another example of how willing they are to distort facts to concoct their own dishonest version of events. It's really the undoing of the integrity of America and American government.
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Drkside79
Posted on Thursday, September 22, 2011 - 10:03 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Blake my thread title was phrased as a question.

If it bothers you please change it. It was designed to draw out response and thought not anger.
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Drkside79
Posted on Thursday, September 22, 2011 - 10:04 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Oh and here's what i was refering to. Perhaps you can provide insight as he was a judge in your state

The execution of Troy Davis, a Georgia death row inmate scheduled to die in less than a week, should be halted because of "pervasive, persistent doubts" about his guilt, said William S. Sessions, a former federal district judge in Texas and FBI director under Presidents Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush and Bill Clinton, in a sharply-worded editorial on Thursday.

"Serious questions about Mr. Davis' guilt, highlighted by witness recantations, allegations of police coercion, and a lack of relevant physical evidence, continue to plague his conviction," Sessions wrote. He urged a state pardons board to commute the sentence to life in prison.
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Slaughter
Posted on Thursday, September 22, 2011 - 10:08 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Blake,

You and I can point to horrific cases where executions are more than justified... yet my strain comes from the use of these "righteous executions" as justification for the occasional killing of an innocent person.

I'm just no longer willing to risk the death of an innocent. I'm NOT SAYING that an "innocent" means that said person is virtuous, but that the person may be innocent of the particular crime as-charged.

I'm not saying that I can show that a single "innocent" person has been executed but we ALL know cases where people have had their convictions overturned YEARS after the fact when evidence or testimony has changed.

I'm just no longer willing to accept that kind of risk.

Determinate sentencing, hard labor - I'm ALL in favor.
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Wolfridgerider
Posted on Thursday, September 22, 2011 - 10:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"I'm kind of numb. I can't believe that it's really happened," MacPhail's mother, Anneliese MacPhail, said in a telephone interview from her home in Columbus, Ga. "All the feelings of relief and peace I've been waiting for all these years, they will come later. I certainly do want some peace."

She dismissed Davis' claims of innocence.

"He's been telling himself that for 22 years. You know how it is, he can talk himself into anything."
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Blake
Posted on Thursday, September 22, 2011 - 10:17 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Matt,

you can understand why innocent people are still being executed by the complicated and convoluted US justice system. : (

You've been misled.

In this case it seems that 7 of the 9 witnesses recanted on their statements, so the legal system needs to answer a few important questions.

It does seem that way when you read what the media see fit to report. Turns out they are either really poor reporters of the facts, or intentionally misleading. See the excerpts from Ann Coulter's column in my first post above.

Pretty shocking to learn how absolutely corrupt our news media is, isn't it.
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Blake
Posted on Thursday, September 22, 2011 - 10:23 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Steve,

An overturned conviction is far less than evidence of not being guilty. But I tend to agree with you on the overall issue. I'd rather see hard labor, really hard labor.

Andy,

"Serious questions about Mr. Davis' guilt, highlighted by witness recantations, allegations of police coercion, and a lack of relevant physical evidence, continue to plague his conviction," Sessions wrote. He urged a state pardons board to commute the sentence to life in prison.

See Coulter's column. Sessions doesn't raise a single specific point of fact about the case. It appears that Mr. Sessions trusted the news media to provide an honest accounting of the facts. It appears the news media failed in that.

(Message edited by blake on September 22, 2011)
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Xl1200r
Posted on Thursday, September 22, 2011 - 10:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I've heard that before too, pretty much conventional wisdom. Coulter doesn't buy it. I'm wondering what specifically that is based upon. If it's based on the kind of reporting that we are seeing in the liberal media on this current case, then I'm much less concerned.

http://www.innocenceproject.org

I did a little research project on this group while I was in college and there were a handful of cases I focused on that used DNA testing to exhonerate death row inmates of crimes which were committed and tried before DNA evidence was even an option. There was one case in particular I recall where someone was convicted of the rape and murder of a woman, and the strongest bit of evidence was that they found semen on the sheets and assumed it was his. Many years later, they ran DNA tests against the sample and discovered it wasn't his.

However, they do have the Davis story blazened on their front page right now - who knows if they believe he was innocent or they are merely playing to their audience to ensure they still get donations and funding.

I'm happy I read the article you posted, Blake. I did read the stuff saying "7 of the 9 witnesses..." and to be fair, the article I read did identify them as only "non-police" witnesses, inferring that there were more who were police-affiliated (and I guess Air Force as well). I'm not sure I question his guilt after reading what you posted.
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Boogiman1981
Posted on Thursday, September 22, 2011 - 10:25 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

and our legal system that decides a mans fate is so sterling Blake?
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Whatever
Posted on Thursday, September 22, 2011 - 10:25 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I think even in the case of serial murder where there is solid evidence, it is dubious at best to kill another person.

Our justice system has been broken for a long long long time. Celebrities like OJ and (now celebrity) Casey Anthony walk.

International courts are not much better, as in the Van der Sloot case... taped confession of DETAILED murder actions (which I believe was not admissable in Aruban court bc Van der Sloot did not know he was taped)... and the guy walks free to kill again in Brazil.

Then you look at what victims are dragged through as in... (I forgot the name)... a young boy and girl shot and left for dead, with both parents murdered, and they had to go through not one but three trials... bullsh*t!!!

(Message edited by Whatever on September 22, 2011)
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Wolfridgerider
Posted on Thursday, September 22, 2011 - 10:26 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

when your own mother tosses you under the bus.... it can't be good...
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Aesquire
Posted on Thursday, September 22, 2011 - 10:29 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

There's a couple of different ways to look at the death penalty.

I usually go with the "I'm good with the DP when you can recall the mistakes". Overly simple. But morally defensible. ( but to be moral and logical, bad guys have to be removed from society. Possibly forever. )

OTOH I'm lucky not to have interrupted a rape, since I don't believe in turning live rapists over to the police. Too hard on the victim. Value judgments have to be made.

On the Gripping hand, the Romans believed that prison for a free man was worse than death. If you were a bad dude, you got dead. If you were really bad, you got to be a slave someplace even less pleasant. Like a copper mine. Still a sentence of death, just slower.
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Whatever
Posted on Thursday, September 22, 2011 - 10:32 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Also interesting is the Memphis 3 who took an Alford Plea.

This is an interesting take on it... bc, one of the victims family in this case has said that they are innocent and there is physical evidence that one of the victims stepfathers is the murderer.

Nevertheless, these boys will never get back what they lost.

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7381432n&tag=contentMain;contentBody

(Message edited by Whatever on September 22, 2011)
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Whatever
Posted on Thursday, September 22, 2011 - 10:45 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The victims family thinks killing someone will bring them peace... they are small minded and ignorant.

Depending on how you look at it either you need to make your peace with GOD...

or, in my case as a survivor of criminal acts, realize that nothing can hurt you anymore unless you let it.
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Trojan
Posted on Thursday, September 22, 2011 - 10:46 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Two tall, young black men were harassing a vagrant in the Burger King parking lot, one in a yellow shirt and the other in a white Batman shirt. The one in the white shirt used a brown revolver to pistol-whip the vagrant. When a cop yelled at them to stop, the man in the white shirt ran, then wheeled around and shot the cop, walked over to his body and shot him again, smiling.

Some eyewitnesses described the shooter as wearing a white shirt, some said it was a white shirt with writing, and some identified it specifically as a white Batman shirt. Not one witness said the man in the yellow shirt pistol-whipped the vagrant or shot the cop.


Not in the same league I know, but it shows how are systems differ...

On enight last week at about 8.15pm my car was vanadlised outside my house. I heard the noise, looked outside and saw a youth in a bright electric blue sweatshirt run off. It took me 10 seconds to get out of the house and give chase around the corner, where I saw a youth in a bright electric blue shirt standing in the doorway of a house not 100 yards away. he was out of breath but looking smug.

I walked up to him and asked (with swear words left out)...'What do you think you are doing?' to which he replied ' I have been here all night as I have a tag (electronic tag for criminals) and have to be in by 7'.
I reported it the police who eventually turned up and took a statement. However they wouldn't arrest the scumbag because I hadn't actually seen his face at the time of the offence, and there could conceivably be 100's of youths running around in electric blue shirts! (although there wasn't at the time funnily enough).

Identification evidence has been eroded to the point of being almost useless here in the UK now and unless there is compelling evidence from other sources (preferably CCTV) then conviction on identification eveidence alone by a stranger is almost unheard of regardless of the severity of the crime.

The fact that this prosecution had 34 witnesses in this murder trial isn't proof of guilt, and you should look at the credibility and quality of the evidence of the 34 before assuming that they all had definite proof of involvement in the crime. Some could have been purely circumstantial witnesses or only there to prove a point of law for example. How many of the 34 were actually independant witnesses to the crime itself?

Killing of a Police officer is very emotive and strong motivation to arrest and convict a suspect quickly and efficiently, and it has happened in the past where justice has been applied harshly and even shoddily in the haste to convict a cop killer (Derek Bentley case in the UK is a good example).

Arranging a stay of execution to answer the numerous questions on this case could have been done very easily (he had been on death row for years anyway, so what's the rush now?) and could have put all the doubts to bed once and for all. If the conviction still stood up them pull the lever anyway a few weeks later.
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Whatever
Posted on Thursday, September 22, 2011 - 11:02 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Quite simply put... the same people who do make mistakes are the same people who will never admit to them.

Fortunately, forensic science has advanced enough that there will be less and less criminals convicted on no physical evidence... but to undo the wrongfull convictions... takes an extraordinary amount of time, money and energy.

I am not sure if Troy Davis did murder the guy. I am also not sure if the West Memphis Three are completely innocent, either.

The problem is that it is a SUBJECTIVE system. If you look at how jurors are picked, there is bias in the system.

All judges have bias too. Let's say a judge is a widow bc their spouse has been murdered (or any close friend or family member has been subjected to any type of violent crime)... should they be allowed to continue in their position as a judge?
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Cowboy
Posted on Thursday, September 22, 2011 - 11:05 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The only problem I have with our system is waiting 22 yrs to do the job it should have been put to bed 21 yrs ago..
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Sifo
Posted on Thursday, September 22, 2011 - 11:10 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I've always been intrigued by people who are willing to accept the occasional killing of an innocent person and yet are against abortion.

The occasional killing of an innocent person by the legal system isn't done on purpose. It's terrible that it has happened, but we can do much better with current technology. Contrast that with taking a life that you know 100% for certain hasn't done any wrong... Well I hope you can understand the difference.

Assuming what Ann Coulter had to say about this is accurate, I'm not sure that there's really much doubt. I haven't really been following this, but it's my understanding that some (possibly all, I'm not certain) of the witnesses that recanted their testimony knew the defendant. To me it sounds like they recanted only after they realized that someone they knew got a death sentence supported by their testimony.

I would be OK with no death penalty if I were convinced that these scum of the earth killers would never be let out of prison. Just last week there was a news story about someone who was murdered by - get this - a convicted murderer who was paroled from a life sentence. I dare say that more innocent people lose their lives this way than through execution in the legal system.

Some time back I found out that the average time served for murder in our state is 13 years. You don't want to go through what I've been through to find out this tidbit of info. That means that many are serving far less time than that. Trust me, to the victims and their families, that doesn't sound like justice at all.

So yes, when there is overwhelming evidence of cold blooded murder, I see a strong case for the death penalty. With today's ability to examine DNA I see an even stronger case for it. Somehow the ability to determine with such a high degree of certainty who DNA belongs to has been turned into a reason to cast doubt on future convictions. That makes zero sense at all. In cases where DNA ties a person to a crime, it makes the case that much stronger, not weaker.

For those that have had convictions overturned because of DNA testing done after their trials, this doesn't necessarily mean that they are innocent. It just means that one piece of evidence that was used to convict was found to be faulty. It doesn't matter how much other evidence existed against the person, they get the big "not guilty" because faulty evidence was used to convict.

It's bad that this has happened, but now that we have the ability to do DNA testing, we can say with an incredibly high degree of certainty that the person in question is in fact tied to a crime.
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Fahren
Posted on Thursday, September 22, 2011 - 11:23 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Blake,

You have to get over Ann Coulter. She is a conservative wack-job with an agenda behind her; sloppy, misleading and incorrect, even deceitful in her written and spoken work.

Check your sources better - I know you like her (you cite her many times in this thread and often elsewhere), and she cuts a fine figure on TV as a talking head, but she is beyond reprehensible.

See: here

and here.

You weaken your arguments by citing her.
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Sifo
Posted on Thursday, September 22, 2011 - 11:29 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Fahren,

Rather than turn the discussion into one of Coulter, I would be more interested in the specific points that Coulter raises. Pointing to situations where she has been wrong on certain facts in the past isn't proof of being wrong on any facts in this case.

I really don't know any of the details of this case BTW, so I don't know who has it right.
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Whistler
Posted on Thursday, September 22, 2011 - 11:59 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Fifteen years ago I served on a capital murder jury in Texas. Trusted family friend kidnapped and murdered a 12 year old boy for money to pay off his gambling debts. Trial lasted a month. DNA taken from the boy's splattered blood on the killer's shirt plus lots of other evidence left us with no doubt this man killed the boy. We found him guilty in less than a couple of hours of careful deliberation. After the punishment phase we were charged with answering two questions; was the defendant a potential danger to society and secondly, was he worthy of life. The judge took it from there but we knew what was being asked of us. I don't think I'll ever be able to adequately describe the atmosphere in that jury room while we voted on those questions. He was executed 8 years after brutally killing that child. I think about it often. I feel somewhat differently about executions now but I was not sad when the state took that man's life.

(Message edited by whistler on September 22, 2011)
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Dannyd
Posted on Thursday, September 22, 2011 - 12:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I am 100% with Blake on this one. if all these people are now saying it was somebody else well then who was it? Why has the been no-one saying it was such and such did it if it was not davis. Sorry but the bleeding hearts out there are making this out to be something that it is not. His own mother said he did it!!
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Sifo
Posted on Thursday, September 22, 2011 - 12:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Trying to do some basic fact checking.

See BS news did this article where they claim "There was no physical evidence linking him to the crime. There was no DNA. There was no murder weapon found on him." http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/10/14/opinion/ courtwatch/main4522093.shtml

Coulter OTOH points to shell casings that link the gun to another crime involving Davis. That certainly is physical evidence that Davis shot the cop.

Who do you believe? Well the AG in the case should know some of the facts entered into evidence. http://www.examiner.com/news-you-can-use-in-atlant a/georgia-attorney-general-baker-s-2007-report-on- troy-davis-murder-trial "Four .38 special casings recovered at Cloverdale, where Michael Cooper was wounded, were fired from the same gun as casings found at the scene of Officer McPhail’s murder."

It seems that Coulter has more credibility than See BS news or anyone else claiming "no physical evidence". Who checks the facts for the MSM?
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