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Drkside79
| | Posted on Thursday, September 22, 2011 - 03:01 pm: | 
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Should there be a death penalty
- Yes
An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind
- Only if half the world pokes someone in the eye
I'm pretty sure both sides can and do pull up stat's showing the DP does/does not reduce the occurrence of violent crimes.
- Perhaps but it gives the DA leverage if nothing else
I'm also pretty sure that no matter what harsh punishments are out there, some are going to commit bad crimes.
--absolutely true |
Boltrider
| | Posted on Thursday, September 22, 2011 - 03:11 pm: |
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This Georgia case is tame compared to the home invasion/rape/triple murder from 2007 in Connecticut, a case that has made Connecticut residents rethink rescinding the death penalty. It's about one of the worst scenarios that I can imagine, and if I'm a Connecticut resident, I don't want the option of capital punishment taken away. |
Boltrider
| | Posted on Thursday, September 22, 2011 - 03:18 pm: |
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Here's another thought: Justifiable homicide is granted in defense of your life or the life of someone else. I think even the risk of grave bodily injury may fall under that statute also, at least in certain circumstances. So why shouldn't capital punishment have the same legal recognition? If the perp was successful and the victim died, then why should the death option be taken away? It's granted in the heat of the moment, but apparently it disappears with time. I don't get it. I realize the two aren't exactly the same, but there are some parallels and I have a tough time when I think of allowing one but not the other.
Here's a link to the Connecticut case:
http://www.aolnews.com/2010/09/16/chilling-tapes-a ired-in-connecticut-triple-murder-trial/
(Message edited by boltrider on September 22, 2011) |
Kyrocket
| | Posted on Thursday, September 22, 2011 - 03:36 pm: |
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As a preface I'm going to say you'll rarely see me in a political or religious thread, I'll usually scan 'em but rarely ever post. Politics and religion make strange bedfellows. That being said I went through this http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2004/05/25/loc_sh rout25prison.html with my wife's family. I am and have always been pro death penalty, wish every state was like Texas 'cause they don't fool around. Get 'em in, get 'em out. I'd even be in favor of bringing back the gallows, talk about a deterrent. Let some young thug watch someone hang and see if they don't change their ways, or at least think long and hard about it. Everything has to be so clean and hidden now. Take them away, hide them and when it comes time take them to a back room where hardly a drop of blood is shed before they slip off to sleep (I know, I know there's discussion going on about how horrible lethal injection is). I'll let you imagine for yourself just how clean her uncle's house was when four people were shot point blank and left to bleed out. But I digress. Legal murder in Ga.? I personally wouldn't call it that, I'd say, just knowing what I know, that the law was followed, and justice meted out appropriately. |
Blake
| | Posted on Thursday, September 22, 2011 - 03:39 pm: |
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>>> Justifiable homicide is granted in defense of your life or the life of someone else. I think even the risk of grave bodily injury may fall under that statute also, at least in certain circumstances.
Heck, here in Texas we can shoot you if you are trying to get away taking our stuff. Criminals don't like that. It makes 'em think twice. |
Cityxslicker
| | Posted on Thursday, September 22, 2011 - 03:47 pm: |
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Sometimes bad people need a good killin.
In todays system I am rarely concerned about an innocent going to the chamber/needlepoint/gallows and more often perturbed at how often naught the guilty are given treatment, education, released early for 'good behavior' and reoffend. death penalty may not stop crime over all - but it puts a nail in the coffin of THAT criminal and stops them from 'recivitism'
Barring that, I support gladiator spectacular single elimination in General population.
Prison is entirely too easy on the perp - it needs a good dose of Gulag as far as my liking. |
Boltrider
| | Posted on Thursday, September 22, 2011 - 03:51 pm: |
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quote:Heck, here in Texas we can shoot you if you are trying to get away taking our stuff. Criminals don't like that. It makes 'em think twice.
I like it! |
Etennuly
| | Posted on Thursday, September 22, 2011 - 04:51 pm: |
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If you have ever been close to any "news" story, then watch it reported, it can leave you wondering if the media member was even there to get so many 'facts' wrong.
The real game starts when the headline they want you to see hits. If it is off by 80% and that is what you see, the public at large is seeing only that image, not where they recant ten days later on page 8. |
Hacksaw
| | Posted on Thursday, September 22, 2011 - 07:32 pm: |
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If the death penalty is so wrong why wasn't protesters at the Texas execution last night? Could it be because the man in Texas was white? |
Aesquire
| | Posted on Saturday, September 24, 2011 - 10:12 am: |
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http://www.nationalreview.com/author/56454/latest#
Not white.... Klan loving. That's only acceptable if you are a Democrat Senator.
While against the Death penalty for moral and practical reasons.... if you MUST kill off the really bad apples, I stand firmly against "lethal injection" as practiced in many states.
First, It's torture to death. The drugs used cause massive pain, and paralysis so you can't even writhe in agony. Obviously to make the people executing you feel better. Screw that.
You want to inject a guy with something to kill him? Use Morphine. ( or heroin or other opiates ) He feels no pain, goes to sleep...and away.....
No need to swab the injection site to prevent infection, either. That's a screwed up bureaucrat's problem.
Better yet is raising money with a reality show, like "The Running Man". But maybe that's over the top... discuss. |
Aesquire
| | Posted on Saturday, September 24, 2011 - 10:21 am: |
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Krocket, I agree, the sanitizing of the Death Penalty is a twisted, uptight reaction showing weird psychology issues in our culture.
Better by far would be public executions ( popular for thousands of years ) with big screens showing the victims blood spatters, lingering on the torn toy...... Then the cage with the wicked dropped into the pit of flames, or left to die from exposure, or run through the "Maze of Doom" ( pat pending ) Possibly having the fate chosen by text message vote during the presentation of evil.
Some will object to that... but I bet that "tonight's execution brought to you by AutoZone & Travelocity" will have high ratings. |
Cowboy
| | Posted on Saturday, September 24, 2011 - 01:42 pm: |
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I beleave in fireing squad with 300 winchester mag. quick and cheap. |
Aesquire
| | Posted on Saturday, September 24, 2011 - 09:23 pm: |
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I'd prefer .45-70 govt. As Appropriate for the 19th century as it is today. ( true, nearly the same recoil )
Wouldn't it be better to remove the human guilt from the process as much as possible? Killer robots?
Hordes of spinning BattleBots in a big arena with the condemned? Ratings, man Ratings!! |
Ferris_von_bueller
| | Posted on Saturday, September 24, 2011 - 11:35 pm: |
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An innocent man cleared by DNA years after his conviction. Lucky for him Maryland is not so quick to execute.
http://articles.cnn.com/2000-06-20/justice/bloodsw orth.profile_1_dna-tests-dna-evidence-kirk-bloodsw orth?_s=PM:LAW |
Aesquire
| | Posted on Sunday, September 25, 2011 - 10:07 am: |
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Haven't all guys freed by DNA evidence been years since conviction? That story's over ten years old. Also a reason I oppose the DP.
I also have reasons to like the DP, like the badwebber whose friends murderer is probably up for parole right now.
In the case of child rapists, where the Recidivism rate is very high, I'd accept a "never see the sun again" as an alternative to the DP.
Don't forget, the now revealed psych trick of "suppressed memory" accusations of abuse actually are false memories planted by ( perhaps well meaning...perhaps not) doctors. A lot of folk got screwed by that, and some are still innocent, in prison. |
Iamike
| | Posted on Monday, September 26, 2011 - 03:29 pm: |
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Since the abortion issue was brought up I started an argument among a husband and wife, friends of mine. There was an article in the paper about an anti-abortion protest and he said something about the death penalty. I came back and said "I have never understood how someone can be against the death penalty but for abortion. One side has been convicted of a serious crime yet the other did nothing wrong."
He couldn't understand my thought process yet I feel his is the one that was really skewed. And to top it off he was a devout catholic. |
Danger_dave
| | Posted on Monday, September 26, 2011 - 05:53 pm: |
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Who changed the title - and context of the title of this thread? |
Blake
| | Posted on Monday, September 26, 2011 - 06:13 pm: |
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I did. The thread author doesn't object...
http://www.badweatherbikers.com/cgibin/discus/show .cgi?tpc=4062&post=2123766#POST2123766 |
Danger_dave
| | Posted on Monday, September 26, 2011 - 06:42 pm: |
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The part-time Journalist in me objects.
But whatever - it's your paper. |
Drkside79
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 27, 2011 - 10:18 am: |
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True i didn't object to the name change but the current one is worse.
Oh well live and learn. |
Kyrocket
| | Posted on Monday, October 03, 2011 - 02:08 pm: |
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I thought about this thread today as I was reading this...http://news.yahoo.com/ohio-muslim-inmates-sue-over -meal-preparation-152909933.html
19 years this cat has been incarcerated and the meals are just now starting to bother him? I mean come'on, 19 years. The state of Ohio has been feeding, housing, clothing and quite possibly educating this murderer for almost two decades. This is pretty clear cut for me. He murdered two people, they know beyond a shadow of a doubt that he murdered those two people. My personal opinion is he shouldn't have lived more than a couple months, but that's just me.
O.K. before someone jumps up and says but how do you know that they know beyond a ...
I assumed, yes I do know what happens when you assume but I feel this is a pretty safe assumption seeing how he killed them in a room in a county domestic relations court. Since he was the only one left standing of the three you get three guesses who killed them, and two don't count. I just wonder what my neighbor to the north has spent in two decades continuing the pathetic life of this murderer? Knowing that eventually they're just going to wheel him into the back room and end his life. I think someone, somewhere, is going to have to make a huge decision for this country when it's time to sink or swim. We gotta cut 'em loose. |
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