| Author | Message | ||
     Blake |
Farscape was one of my favorite sci-fi shows.  SDave, I missed your reply on Darwin. A transitional fossil is one that is supposed to demonstrate a clear link between two distinctly different species. Despite the eager claims of some evolutionists, we don't have one. We have fossils of species that look like odd fishes or the like but no missing link, nothing to date but incredibly fanciful theorizing. But evolution by natural selection may indeed be proved valid. I have no idea. It is entirely irrelevant to the question of the origin of life. For that you need a missing link between sterility and life; between chaos and perfect order. It is implausible in purely naturalistic terms. | ||
| Blake |
SDave, Given that the originator of the currently favored "big bang theory" was a catholic priest, how do you reconcile your argument that scientists are atheists and that religion is like putting blinders on? The answer is that you cannot. Your entire line of reasoning attacking religion for stifling science is thus proved false. | ||
| Blake |
Do you recall the headline not all that long ago declaring that science had proved the existence of god? The discovery that there indeed was a beginning of time and the universe was credited as such. It didn't take the devout atheists long to begin trying to weasel out of that. Pretty funny. The same concerning the amazingly perfect structure of DNA. From what I've seen, science has indeed proved the existence of god, but devout atheists refuse to acknowledge it. See the proof. It's in science and all around you. Once that settles into the noggin, next we can talk about the nature of the god that we have proved exists. | ||
| Froggy |
Here is what I think he means. Back in the day, it was easier for people to explain what was then explainable by saying something like "God was upset with everyone and had allow the fires of hell (lava) to engulf the town". Drought? Gods fault. Earthquake? Gods fault. Extra large harvest? Gods fault. Pinkeye? Gods fault. (Actually they probably blamed demons for that) Similar with witchcraft. Timmy fell down a well? It was a curse from a witch. It was just easier to explain in more simpler times than tectonic plates, tidal forces due to the moon, etc.
I find that hard to believe. If anything, I would say people of faith are less likely to do damage to their bodies via smoking, alcohol, drugs, etc, and that would account for for any measurable life expectancy, not just being of faith.
I think we are going to be in for a rude awakening after FTL travel becomes possible. Given the vast size of the universe, including thousands of galaxies, millions of solar systems in those galaxies, and billions of planets in those systems, I just feel that it is statistically impossible that we are the only fluke in the universe to spawn life. Hell, fossilized bacteria and ice have been found on Mars, there could be anything out there. Perhaps I've watched too much Stargate....
I don't think that a bunch of trees and my sisters dog prove anything for either side. Neither side can prove the origins of the universe. Both sides have their theories, but nobody has the known factual answer. You could say its God's fault, but that goes back to what I was describing before how its a universal answer to everything that is not explainable.
If they exist, and are capable of reaching this planet, it is safe to say they would have the ability to kill us. Would they kill us? Who knows, way too much to speculate on.
I covered this above in this post
I've been meaning to watch it, I have a copy of the entire series here.
Religion has a reputation for stalling scientific progress in the past whenever it conflicts with a religious view. It isn't always the case, but it has resulted in progress being stalled, even in this day and age. (Cloning and stem cells are the first that come to my mind)
I've never heard this, but would like to know more.
Science is about learning, it may one day prove beyond a shadow of a doubt the existence of a higher being, but the most devout will always believe what they want, be it theist or atheist. | ||
| Boltrider |
I want a ride on that alien spaceship. I hear the first wormhole is a doozy. | ||
| Danger_dave |
>>> People of faith live longer. I find that hard to believe. <<< Bwahahahahaha | ||
| Blake |
Too funny. Thankfully, coffee splatter on an iPhone is easy to clean. | ||
| 2734 |
>>>>>>>>>2734, This is what I was waiting on and I knew it would finally surface... Too easy... snap us a pic of god and you'll make a Atheisim a thing of the past. You're right, that is too easy, so I'm sorry, but if you're interested in the topic, then you'll have to suffer through the debate like the rest of us. Seriously though, I'm not sure what you think you've demonstrated or revealed. Nothing new that I can see. Clue me in?<<<<<<<<<< I shouldnt need to, 6 pages and 157 posts in and yours make up the bulk of them. This thread was questionable from the title forward.You have spent many keystrokes here explianing(patronizing?) about how a debate should run and how proof is explained. Well sir YOU provided the parameters of how you would accept proof of SuperDave's purple dragon but you by YOUR own constraints cant produce proof that god exists. Soooooo by your own logic god doesnt exist. Too easy... but I fear this isnt the end of it. | ||
| Xdigitalx |
There are no superior alien race's... because we haven't designed them yet. We will, (after we build the rockets) ... we will discover how to make it happen. We ARE, will be the growers of life in the whole entire universe. And/Or just help it along as we find it. Nope. No aliens, for 1,000's years. Imagination is a wonderful thing. | ||
| Superdavetfft |
2734 Fred (the dragon) says thanks and he will bless your next 10 years of riding and says they'll be accident (and RAIN) free. (he's omni** etc etc) He also just drank a shot of scotch in your honor  | ||
| Dannyd |
I truly believe that in the big picture of this universe human beings will just be a speck in time. Our time on this earth is very likely limited as all it will take is one big comet to hit earth or even a massive volcano under Yellowstone to blow up and we are history. That does not even take into account outside forces such as aliens that may or may not exist. They could be superior beings that will wipe us out or they could be our salvation and create world peace and give us the cure for cancer. Who knows? What I guess I am trying to say is human beings consider themselves to be way too important. Yes, right now we are in charge but that could change very quickly and we could be back to the stone age in an instant, hunting wild dogs for our very existence. Just imagine what would happen if a country had the ability to shoot an EMP down on us and wipe out every electronic device in our country instantly. Total chaos would ensue and the riots during Katrina would pale in comparison!! | ||
| Sifo |
Just imagine what would happen if a country had the ability to shoot an EMP down on us and wipe out every electronic device in our country instantly. Total chaos would ensue and the riots during Katrina would pale in comparison!! Yes, do imagine... http://defensetech.org/2009/02/04/iran-launch-coul d-mean-emp-weapon/ | ||
| Blake |
Richard (2734), Well sir YOU provided the parameters of how you would accept proof of SuperDave's purple dragon but you by YOUR own constraints cant produce proof that god exists. You are confused. I stated no such thing concerning any kind of proof that "I would accept." That is a blatant misrepresentation of the question and my answer. Dave challenged me to state how I would prove his purple dragon exists, not what evidence I would need to see to acknowledge its existence. I gave one of many possible solutions, they are numerous. You've very badly distorted the question and my answer, and in so doing completely altered its meaning. Soooooo by your own logic god doesnt exist. You seem to fail to comprehend the concept of logic, not to mention basic english as shown above. For instance, how does your conclusion that god does not exist follow from the idea that taking a photo can show evidence of a purple dragon? Too easy... but I fear this isnt the end of it. Nonsense is easy. It's also just nonsense and a complete waste of my time. (Message edited by Blake on September 15, 2011) | ||
| Blake |
Sifo, HEMP ain't just for rope and dope. Way too familiar with that. Gotta be able to satcom even in nuke hell. | ||
| Blake |
Dan, I think you're wrong amigo. We humans are to be revered, respected, held in awe, made in the image of our creator. Glorious are we, at least as long as we hold to the creator's principles. If not, well, it won't end well. | ||
| Blake |
Actually, I do agree with... What I guess I am trying to say is human beings consider themselves to be way too important. at least from the perspective of popular/secular culture. Lady Gaga? What??? | ||
| Dannyd |
What I meant by that we as humans generally consider ourselves to be the rulers of this wonderful planet. And IMO that is false as we can be wiped out in an instant by natures fury or as I said who knows, there could be another being even bigger and badder than humans just waiting to take us out. This is not "our" planet. We are just fortunate enough to be given charge of it right now. Whether that be from God, Mother nature, or just pure luck is up to speculation IMO. It could be taken from us in an instant if whoever or whatever is really in charge decides to do so. Does that make sense? | ||
| 2734 |
>>>>You are confused. I stated no such thing concerning any kind of proof that "I would accept." That is a blatant misrepresentation of the question and my answer.. I gave one of many possible solutions, they are numerous. You've very badly distorted the question and my answer, and in so doing completely altered its meaning.<<<<<< Only to you it seems. >>>>>>>Dave challenged me to state how I would prove his purple dragon exists, not what evidence I would need to see to acknowledge its existence<<<<< Thats some doublespeak of the highest order right there. So what you just typed is that to prove it(take a picture and post it) you dont have to have proof?(no dragon,proof complete)It's just a possible solution? >>>>>Take a picture of yourself showing applicable view and post it on the internet. No purple dragon, proof complete.<<<< So your saying if Dave did indeed post a pic of him on his dragon then only the possibilty of the dragon being real is plausible? Or if you posted a pic of yourself with the dragon only then would it be real? More to the point if I asked you to post a pic of you and god and you did does that mean I have to accept it's real?or is it just one of numerous possibilities? Blake,no wonder I'm confused... Oh BTW I havent sunk to petty personal jabs. Whatever contempt you have for Superdave you would do well not to paint me with it. (Message edited by 273-4 on September 15, 2011) (Message edited by 2734 on September 15, 2011) (Message edited by 2734 on September 15, 2011) (Message edited by 2734 on September 15, 2011) | ||
| Dannyd |
Badweb would be a lot friendlier if we outlawed political and religious threads. | ||
| Froggy |
Funny, I've mentioned similar in the past. Honestly I rather have them all live in the Backfire board. | ||
| Scooter808484 |
Badweb would be a lot friendlier if we outlawed political and religious threads. +1 | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Badweb would be a lot friendlier if we outlawed political and religious threads. Nah, we'd just find something else to argue about. You've evidently missed the old knock down, drag outs over counter steering. Like life, if it isn't a discussion you wish to partake in, walk away. | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
what scientist stated the existence of God? | ||
| Blake |
Richard (2734), SDave's challenge to me:
And then your odd commentary:
You confuse yourself it seems. Try some warm tea and a hot bath. | ||
| Blake |
Except for a few mean spirited types, I think the discussion is going great. Owens, Plenty of scientists affirm the existence of god. Take your pick of particle physicists, cosmologists, molecular biologists, micro-biologists... My point was that the incredibly profound discoveries of the beginning of the universe, time itself, and also that our universe is expanding at an ever increasing rate were characterized at the time as proof of god. Everything that begins to exist has a cause. The universe began to exist. The universe had a cause, god being the most plausible one. God exists. | ||
| Blake |
Science also holds that something cannot arise on its own from nothing. The universe arose from nothing. The universe cannot have arisen on its own. God exists. | ||
| Froggy |
Many have. Look on any of the other boards and anytime Badweb is mentioned, numerous users will chime in about how they have left due to the excess of politics and other crap. Its not that there is one thread once in a while on the matter, its constant and always in your face. There are also those who won't even come to the quickboard anymore, so they end up missing out on good motorcycle related content. At least countersteering discussions would fit in on a motorcycle forum. | ||
| Dannyd |
I think it is your use of the term God that causes problems Blake. It seems you see God in a Christian sense which then gets into the whole us vs. them mentality. Wouldn't it be more accurate to say that the universe had a cause and that a greater being was the most plausible one? | ||
| Froggy |
I think a better way of phrasing that is we don't know what it arose from. | ||
| Hootowl |
That implies that it was something before it was the universe. Where did that something come from? Something else? Is it turtles all the way down? |
