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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Saturday, August 20, 2011 - 10:38 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/08/18/ rep_ed_markey_environmental_regulations_create_mor e_jobs.html


Progressives honestly believe that if you regulate a corporation more, that corporation must hire more regulatory compliance personnel and pour money into regulatory compliance and that creates jobs. For progressives capitalism doesn't work, businesses don't want to hire more people, and the only way to increase jobs and decrease unemployment is to force businesses to hire more people.

When asked whether a business owner would rather produce more goods and services or hire another compliance officer, which do you think the business owner would choose?

THIS is the "jobs creation" the government plans for our economy.

Wonder why it isn't working.
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Oldog
Posted on Saturday, August 20, 2011 - 10:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

This is how "THEY" think, WE the People Are not smart enough to run our businesses, take care of our selves, etc etc etc.

until the Congress and white house are "CHANGED"
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Cowboy
Posted on Saturday, August 20, 2011 - 01:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

We must learn the deffination of 3 words.
Recession-----your friend looses his job.
Depression----you loose your job.
Recovery------Obama looses his.
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Cityxslicker
Posted on Saturday, August 20, 2011 - 09:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

but look at the fine long standing of EPA, SEC, HIPAA, OSHA and now the ACA ! Yes, Comrade, we create 'Jobs' (not necessarily 'value' !)
of course they want to be compliant with a 'certified' inspector or convening board.
This is EXACTLY what the new 'health' care bill was. NOT an improvement in delivery, access, cost, nor outcomes - it was forced registration, compliance, and regulation of 1/6 of the economy !
pity they didnt bother to READ the DAMN bill
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Crusty
Posted on Saturday, August 20, 2011 - 09:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Have you read the bill?
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Cityxslicker
Posted on Saturday, August 20, 2011 - 09:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

yep, all 2678 pages of it, the 1864 pages of references, ammendments, addendums and supporting USC title code references.
I have spend the last two years in a Masters Degree program focused on HealthCare Management and Administration; and have written 12 critical papers on the Bill, and a dissertation on Medical Tourism, that scored me my new job in Kiev.

What is your favorite part of it ?

(ps, the bill sucks, it will wreck the economy, just as the State version of it in 96-98 did in Washington)
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Saturday, August 20, 2011 - 09:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

(ps, the bill sucks, it will wreck the economy, just as the State version of it in 96-98 did in Washington)


See TennCare, our lovely version of HillaryCare. : |
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Crusty
Posted on Sunday, August 21, 2011 - 07:59 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Wow! Such experts in Politics! Why aren't you in office?
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Cityxslicker
Posted on Sunday, August 21, 2011 - 08:19 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Politics are worthless.

You missed the Announcement that I am now the American Business Development Manager for Medical Tourism to Ukraine.
The American system of coming rationing, dropping of insurance payments,over burdened facilities for supply v demand, the skyrocketing escalation of MEDICAID, and doctors in large scale dropping medicare-medicaid patients (See TX) , and poor quality returns vs cost/access/bureaucracy will drive the US Medical economy into the ground.

I give it 5 years from the cocking of the lever of the 1/1/2014 of the new ACA Bill to complete failure on the scale of the housing crisis - and a similar impact on the surrounding economy.

Why am I not in politics ? My honesty is not appreciated.
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Carbonbigfoot
Posted on Sunday, August 21, 2011 - 09:18 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Y'all hiring?

(j/k)

R
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Sunday, August 21, 2011 - 09:19 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

So Crusty, you believe that increased regulations actually DO raise employment and create jobs?
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Kenm123t
Posted on Sunday, August 21, 2011 - 09:31 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Crusty some of us know not to step in the poo. You dont have to step in poo to clean it up
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Cityxslicker
Posted on Sunday, August 21, 2011 - 06:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The EPA is bad.... their sibling FDA is jealous - they want to misbehave with innovation, technology, economic development and regulation 'compliance' as well.

This week, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration released its Strategic Plan for Regulatory Science. The plan calls for a sweeping modernization of the science used in developing and evaluating products critical to the nation’s health, economy, and security. According to FDA Commissioner Margaret A. Hamburg, “It positions us to foster innovation through better science without compromising our high safety standard,” M.D.

The Strategic Plan identifies eight priority areas of regulatory science where new or enhanced engagement is essential to the continued success of FDA’s public health and regulatory mission. These priority areas are:

Modernize Toxicology to Enhance Product Safety
Stimulate Innovation in Clinical Evaluations and Personalized Medicine to Improve Product Development and Patient Outcomes
Support New Approaches to Improve Product Manufacturing and Quality
Ensure FDA Readiness to Evaluate Innovative Emerging Technologies
Harness Diverse Data through Information Sciences to Improve Health Outcomes
Implement a New Prevention-Focused Food Safety System to Protect Public Health
Facilitate Development of Medical Countermeasures to Protect Against Threats to U.S. and Global Health and Security
Strengthen Social and Behavioral Science to Help Consumers and Professionals Make Informed Decisions about Regulated Products

In this article, I would like discuss priority #3, “Support New Approaches to Improve Product Manufacturing and Quality.”

To support this priority, FDA will continue to promote what it calls “state-of-the-art manufacturing strategies,” Process Analytical Technology (PAT) and Quality-By-Design (QbD). The challenge for industry and regulators is that outsourcing may be hindering the application of PAT and QbD. In my Viewpoint article published in the current issue of Pharmaceutical Technology (you decide if it was a coincident), I discuss the issues and propose solutions and best practices to address them (See: Has Outsourcing Derailed PAT and QbD?).

As the pharmaceutical industry increases outsourcing, many brand owners have lost their ability to collect, act, and capitalize on critical quality attributes and process parameters. These data are critical to achieve PAT and QbD.

This lack of visibility supports the need for the implementation of data acquisition and analytic systems and processes that can provide On-Demand Visibility across a company’s supply chain. Such information would afford a sponsor company the opportunity to better and more tightly control ingredients, components, and products supplied by third parties. This control is crucial to help reduce the risk of nonconformances, CAPAs and recalls.

Technology is not the stumbling block. Today, mature technology is available to support the implementation of interconnected and interoperable systems that provide On-Demand Visibility across the supply network. This level of transparency would not only support PAT and QbD approaches across the global supply chain, but also would manage product safety, efficacy, and quality.

I would have posted the link, but it was behind the Linked in Membership, I apologize for the wall o text.
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Cityxslicker
Posted on Sunday, August 21, 2011 - 07:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"It’s not just health care killing jobs: state and federal regulations can amount to as much as 50 cents on every dollar a business makes, according to Jennifer James of Build with Conscience in California. She said the cost of regulation per employee to them each year is about $20,000:

We would like to hire three or four more guys, easy. We pay $15-26 per hour for new laborers and generally hire inexperienced young workers and train them because the cost of experienced men is too high. We’re not able to take on extremely qualified people, so we train young kids in the trades.

She said between increased health care costs and the contractor fees, they simply can’t afford to hire. She said licensing fees in California are so high many contractors are simply not paying them and working under the table. James said the contractors state board fee is $400, and total licensing fees are $8,000 to $10,000 a year:

A lot of business goes to unlicensed contractors who have no license, no insurance, and no bonding.

James said the fees are so high and the number of agents to enforce the law so low that it is a better risk to operating without a license for many contractors.

Annette Logsdon from Watertite Deck Coatings, also in California, said taxes, fees, and health care are killing them as well. She said they grossed about $400,000 last year, but workers’ compensation was $21,600 for the year — nearly 6 percent of gross:

The federal government is killing us on payroll taxes. … That 2 percent break (for a new employee) if you want to call it that, is a joke.

She said after ObamaCare passed, California raised taxes across the board 12 percent.

Additionally, regulations are hitting them on the inventory side. All their raw material suppliers have raised prices because government regulations have driven up their costs:

It’s indirectly affecting us. … We can’t give raises or hire new people.

All of the business owners had basically one message: “get out of our way.” It’s clear that the more regulation the government heaps on business, the fewer jobs will be created."

Thursday, August 18th, 2011 - by Patrick Richardson
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Bandm
Posted on Monday, August 22, 2011 - 08:21 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


America's Problem
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Johnnymceldoo
Posted on Monday, August 22, 2011 - 08:32 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Lol that's some funny stuff right there. Its even funnier when you see it first hand.
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Oldog
Posted on Monday, August 22, 2011 - 08:48 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Its after reading some of City's stuff
Its not surprising that some critical cancer drugs are in short supply,

further look for more stuff on the market
carrying the "These statements have not been evaluated by the FDA" foot note

can America take another 2 years of of these lefties?
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Xl1200r
Posted on Monday, August 22, 2011 - 09:34 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"More regulations on corporations create more jobs."

Go tell that to the airline industry.
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Cityxslicker
Posted on Monday, August 22, 2011 - 07:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Mainstreet USA Sequim Washington August 7-21.
in two weeks we have lost 5 businesses.
1) Insurance company - quiting due to regulations - 4 agents, 7 office support
2) Second Hand Salvage Furniture/ Vintage Hardware - economy- lack of business 4 employees, and a heavy contributor to local Haibitat for Humanity endeavors
3) Crepe Cafe - 7 years of business - cited, economy, business tax impositions - relocating out of state. 6 employees
4) Check Cashing Store Franchise (national chain) closing doors due to state requirements for filing, id, counseling and tracking 4 employees.
5) Matties Hatties and Sweaters - family owned small clothing store - mostly homespun, consignment, and import pieces - big box store 'Ross' moved in - loss due to generic, underpriced, and foot print. 3 employees.

Happy F'n August Mainstreet. We are only a town of 5500, so it may not sound like much, but that is five ADDITIONAL businesses on the main drag GONE.
and if you dont think the 'economy' reasons arent tied directly to regulations, credit, monetary policy - you are asleep
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Strokizator
Posted on Monday, August 22, 2011 - 08:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That photo is funny and reminds me of a joke (probably real).

A Caltrans worker calls his supervisor and says they are all out on the jobsite but nobody brought any shovels. What should they do?

The supervisory says he'll throw some into the back of his pick-up and be out there in about 30 minutes. In the meantime they should all lean against each other.
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Court
Posted on Monday, August 22, 2011 - 08:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Is there anyone . . . . who didn't know any of this by the time you reached 3rd grade?

I got spanked . . . . I stopped doing something.

I got gold stars on my paper . . . I did it more.

I certainly our leaders appear smarter to the world than they do to me.

Do a search for "Nero in The White House" and you can read this.


quote:

Three significant historical events have been eclipsed by Obama: 1) Jimmy Carter will no longer be looked upon as the worst president in American history; 2) Richard Nixon and Bill Clinton will no longer be recognized as the greatest liars in presidential history; 3) Clinton’s stain on Monica’s dress, and what that did to the White House in general and the office of the president specifically, will forever pale in comparison to the stain and stench of Obama.

I need not spend much time on the failure of Obama as president. His tenure has been a failure on every measurable level. So much so, in fact, that some of the staunchest, most respected liberal Democrats and Democratic supporters have not only openly criticized him – some even more harshly than this essayist – but they have called for him to step down.

Richard Nixon’s words “I am not a crook,” punctuated with his involvement in Watergate, and Bill Clinton’s finger-wagging as he told one of the most pathetic lies in presidential history, in the aftermath of Obama, will be viewed as mere prevarications.

Mr. Nixon and Clinton lied to save their backsides. Although, I would argue there are no plausible explanations for doing what they did, I could entertain arguments pursuant to understanding their rationales for lying. But in the case of Obama, he lies because he is a liar. He doesn’t only lie to cover his misdeeds – he lies to get his way. He lies to belittle others and to make himself look presentable at their expense. He lies about his faith, his associations, his mother, his father and his wife. He lies and bullies to keep his background secret. His lying is congenital and compounded by socio-psychological factors of his life.




What a shame but I think Mr. Massie, chairman of the National Leadership Network of Black Conservatives-Project 2, has nailed it.
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Whatever
Posted on Monday, August 22, 2011 - 09:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That guy is a dingbat...

Environmental regulations serve one purpose, to protect human health and the environment.

Policy always has to be scientifically defensible. Unfortunately the politicians rarely have any understanding of that science.

If you want to breath coal dust polluted air and drink metal contaminated water, just move to China.
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Court
Posted on Monday, August 22, 2011 - 09:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

>>>Unfortunately the politicians rarely have any understanding of that science.

Agreed.

It's evident in their regulations.

I still laugh at having to use $2,900 per cubic yard concrete in the parking stall "stop blocks" (those little trapezoidal fellows your wheels butt up agin . . . in a power plant.

Geniuses across the board and the minute we think it can't get worse . . they send a guy who's never worked a day in his life or managed so much as a lemonade stand.

That's evident as well.

Is this what they call "transparency" . . when it's perfectly clear how stupid these folks are?
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Monday, August 22, 2011 - 10:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Environmental regulations serve one purpose, to protect human health and the environment.


Tell that to the California farmers when the water was turned off.
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Kenm123t
Posted on Monday, August 22, 2011 - 10:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Environmental laws would be better accepted if the junk science were better vetted.
Dont start on me about hydro carbons and coal dust. We didnt make them god did all we do is move them around Were in the gas and coal industry. A family legacy so I know a little about the field. Personally I have benefitted from the R22 phase out
R 22 was determined to have no real environmental issues but the industry had already committed millions to covert to R410a. We had safe effective stable refrigerants now we have mostly semi toxic cancer causing refrigerants in your homes and grocery stores. When the gov bans power plants over mercury and then mandates mercury containing light bulbs in our homes. So a dose of reality is required in so called environmental laws having any real benefit. The major impact seems to be a semi ruling class of Gaia worshipping zealots that have abandoned real science loose unsupervised!
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Johnnymceldoo
Posted on Monday, August 22, 2011 - 10:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Protect and serve. Like keeping kids from having lemonade stands or keeping farmers from selling at small stands. Hope and change mother now put your hands on your head.
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Court
Posted on Monday, August 22, 2011 - 11:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

As long as it's legal to sell cigarettes and Big Macs ....... You'll play he'll convincing me the governments interest has anything to do with protection.

Lying bastards......
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Tuesday, August 23, 2011 - 12:32 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Sure wouldn't want kids licking dirt bikes either. Might get lead poisoning.

So what will we do when the ground water is completely poisoned with mercury from CF bulbs?

130,000,000 X 30-50 CF bulbs per household X 5mg of Mercury per bulb = a whole lot of mercury.

But then again, cow farts are lethal too.
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Aesquire
Posted on Tuesday, August 23, 2011 - 07:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Environmental regulations should serve one purpose, to protect human health and the environment.

There, fixed it for you.

The Freon Ban protected Dow Chemical, not you.

China is a great example of Capitalism without restraint. Under communist rule, but not rational restraint.

It's often been said that pure, unfettered capitalism would have human bodies in the market. True, in China. A place where a combination of total power, total corruption, and, to be fair, greedy foreigners taking advantage of that corruption, lead to the worst environmental disasters since the old Soviet Union killed a Sea.

With more money and less morals ( ok, non-European type morality ) we have the upcoming Yangtze River disasters... ( wait for it! ) Rivers of industrial sewage and dead spots you can see from space.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Gorges_Dam

Also, lets not forget the underground coal fires that will probably still be burning long after we're all gone. To be fair, we have them here too.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal_seam_fire

https://www.dmr.nd.gov/ndgs/ndnotes/ndn13_h.htm

China has a bunch of them, in part because of a typical central planning failure in coal mining and iron smelting. Decree that coal production shall increase, and decree that everyone should mine it..... millions of small coal seam fires are the logical result. ( to all but an ardent State Worshiper ) Ask about the Soviet Nail debacle.
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Aesquire
Posted on Tuesday, August 23, 2011 - 09:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Question: What’s the difference between a Federal Jobs Creation Program and Kim Kardashian’s wedding?

Answer: Kim Kardashian’s wedding creates jobs.

http://pajamasmedia.com/andrewklavan/

Regulating business in necessary, and important.

Doing so badly gets got us the mortgage swap/CDO mess, depression, unemployment, planetary increases in hunger ( corn to alcohol to burn in our cars ) and more taxes than any rational person could spend. ( pity that Congress is not rational.... they already spend more than they take in.... and have for decades )

Doing so wisely gets us clean air, clean water, safe cars, and efficient refrigerators.

Doing so for bad ( green religious ) reasons gets us a future of massive mercury poisoning, and really unflattering mornings in front of the mirror. ( curly light bulbs built in China by GE with US tax help ) )
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