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Fahren
Posted on Tuesday, July 12, 2011 - 09:56 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

http://video.nytimes.com/video/2011/07/11/multimed ia/100000000940585/timescast--the-cost-of-a-catch. html?nl=nyregion&emc=urb2

The guy who caught Derek Jeter's 3000th hit (it was a home run) will now owe 5 figures in taxes.

I.diots
R.evel
S.ucking (you dry)
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Sifo
Posted on Tuesday, July 12, 2011 - 10:03 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

T.axed
E.nough
A.lready
?
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Fahren
Posted on Tuesday, July 12, 2011 - 10:12 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm WAY beyond tea. Wait and see - those guys and gals who rode in with the tea party banner are already ending up like the rest of that horrible lot in DC.

Something happens to elected officials who enter inside the Beltway.
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Hybridmomentspass
Posted on Tuesday, July 12, 2011 - 10:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I am a bit confused - he gave the ball back to Jeter, right? And in return Jeter/NYY gave him the bats and access to the special suite etc - so what is he paying taxes on?
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Fahren
Posted on Tuesday, July 12, 2011 - 10:23 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I guess he would have to fight the tax bill by arguing that the ball itself had intrinsic cash value. The IRS will surely say it was worth about ten bucks.

He should go farther, and use the $220k Barry Bonds ball as evidence to show he actually needs to claim a loss on the trade he made: the "$220,000" ball for the $70k in swag.
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Billyboy
Posted on Tuesday, July 12, 2011 - 11:48 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The most valuable items being provided to him are the tickets. The Yankees can (and should) do several things. First, they just "invite" him to the suite for every home game, instead of handing him tickets. Secondly, pay any taxes he might owe, a la Oprah. A few years back we took part in a local furniture store promotion. If the Red Sox swept the World Series, we'd get all of our previous furniture purchases for free. What happened when they did, was that we got a letter from their accountants saying that we wouldn't owe taxes on the furniture because it was now considered a "discount". Maybe the Yankees "sell" him the seats at a huge discount?
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Pwnzor
Posted on Tuesday, July 12, 2011 - 12:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Maybe if he paid off his $100k in student loans we could start talking about taking it easy on his taxes.

He should have sold the ball on eBay and paid his bills.
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Fahren
Posted on Tuesday, July 12, 2011 - 12:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Who said he isn't working on paying off his student loans?

What a cheap shot! Try taking aim at the colleges that charge so much, rather than a guy who availed himself of one of the only ways out there to afford such ridiculously high tuition.
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Pwnzor
Posted on Tuesday, July 12, 2011 - 01:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My youngest son is paying his own way through his MBA program with a 32 hour per week job at $9.50 per hour.

Just saying.

edit: he also pays $3300 a month in rent, along with his 4 room mates.

(Message edited by pwnzor on July 12, 2011)
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Fahren
Posted on Tuesday, July 12, 2011 - 01:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Pwnzor, that's awesome, and he sounds smart enough not to get himself into debt right off the bat - he probably will go far with that MBA!

Definitely a better way to go than to get out of college already 100k behind the eight ball.
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Pwnzor
Posted on Tuesday, July 12, 2011 - 01:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I don't deny that the student loan situation is an easy downward spiral to get caught in...

BUT, people like my son don't even QUALIFY for financial assistance... apparently we're far too wealthy.

HAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAH!!!!!! I can't wait until Obysmal finds out I'm a bazillionaire!
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Xbniner
Posted on Tuesday, July 12, 2011 - 02:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Pwnzor where is your son getting his MBA? Tijuana welding academy?

Doing the math based on the numbers you posted he makes about 16k a year. Subtract rent, assume you pay for food and all other expenses, and that leaves him about 7900 a year for tuition and books. Either he has a lot of scholarships available or I went to a much too expensive school.

I also paid for all my own school, but had to get loans to finish my degree. And that was making $12/hr at 25-35 hours/week, with less than half the rent costs. (My loan is paid off now.)

Either way kudos to him for working during school and for avoiding debt. My generation loves the debt...
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Xl1200r
Posted on Tuesday, July 12, 2011 - 02:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Pwnzor - He may not qualify for need-based grants, but a loan is a loan and a bank will never turn you down with an appropriate interest rate. I know many who got into that trap, where the parents made too much to qualify for grants and were automatically expected to foot the bill. I think this assumption, along with the gov't handing out need-based grants make for some kind of unlimited cash supply and allowed schools to keep increasing tuition with little resistance.

I can't really fathom how he's living off of less than $16k a year (and with a $3300 rent bill?!?!) let alone putting himself through a graduate degree program with no money borrowed. My income is over 4 times his, my mortgage $1700 less and I'm trying to figure out how on Earth I'm going to afford to put a roof on this place before winter. Yeah, I've got a nice car and a couple bikes, but they ain't all brand new BMWs or something. Good on him for avoiding the debt train, though - I was really good for a long time but dug myself in a little deep with this house and am slowly trying to get out.

I escaped college with a mere $24k in student loans - considering the $45/yr school I went to, I'd say I did okay, but a couple years at a community college first made a world of difference.

As for this fan... I hate taxes as much as the next guy, and I think they're far too high... BUT, this was a very public thing and it's easy to see everything he got as "income". The law is pretty clear on this - having to pay taxes on lotto winnings, free cars, etc... it's just the way it is. Again, not saying I think it's right, but anyone would have seen this coming a mile away.

This guy's biggest mistake was taking all of these non-cash items. If they had just given him $70k for the ball, he'd have the cash to pay the tax man. But because he now just has a bunch of "stuff", unless he starts selling, he just doesn't have the cash on hand.

Business rule number 1 - cash is king. I wouldn't have settled for anything other than a big fat check.
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Badlionsfan
Posted on Tuesday, July 12, 2011 - 02:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The fact that he gave back the ball proves that college isn't for everyone.
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Pwnzor
Posted on Tuesday, July 12, 2011 - 02:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My son is receiving a structured settlement which pays for a fair amount of his tuition. If he wasn't then his wealthy parents would be footing the bill.

I did mention that he has 4 room mates. The rent is split by all of them. They live in a big house, eat ramen and drink cheap beer.

I also said he didn't qualify for financial aid... We forbade him taking out any loans.
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Xl1200r
Posted on Tuesday, July 12, 2011 - 02:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Structured settlement kind of does away with the "$9.50/hr" argument...
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Pwnzor
Posted on Tuesday, July 12, 2011 - 03:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

ugh... the point is still the same, he's doing it on his own. The settlement is small.
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Fresnobuell
Posted on Tuesday, July 12, 2011 - 04:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The fact that he gave back the ball proves that college isn't for everyone.

pLUS ONE. A big fat one.

Professional athletes don't give anything to the fans. Their big fat salaries are the reason it has priced most average joes out of going to see a ballgame. No salary cap in baseball right? Sickening.

Jeter should have manned up and gave the kid $100,000 just so the kid didn't have to second guess himself and hear shit the rest of his life about what a sucker move he made.
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2008xb12scg
Posted on Tuesday, July 12, 2011 - 04:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Has the IRS even asked him or just a reporter brought it up?
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Crackhead
Posted on Tuesday, July 12, 2011 - 04:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

US Army is offering Student Loan Repayment Program.

With all of the available tuition assistance out there, I don't understand how you can graduate with that much in student loans.

What do I know, I graduated from University of Maryland with Zero loans, Zero debt and still had $5k left in my bank account.
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Pwnzor
Posted on Tuesday, July 12, 2011 - 05:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Let me get this straight... a professional athlete needs to pay some guy $100,000 for catching a ball?

Just because he was stupid enough to GIVE the ball away for some swag that cost the ball club literally nothing at all?
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Court
Posted on Tuesday, July 12, 2011 - 06:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

>>>>The fact that he gave back the ball proves that college isn't for everyone.

I'm not smart enough.

Explain, for my benefit, the relationship between giving the ball back and college.
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Hootowl
Posted on Tuesday, July 12, 2011 - 06:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The stuff the ball club gave him for giving the ball up will be considered gifts and will not be subject to tax, probably up to the limit, which I think is $10K annually. They can't be considered prizes because he was not entered in a contest. These are bona fide gifts. Also, pretty sure regardless of the street value of the tickets, only the face value will be considered in their value as far as the gift is concerned. He should be fine.
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2008xb12scg
Posted on Tuesday, July 12, 2011 - 06:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

With all of the available tuition assistance out there
not everybody qualifies for assistance. At least not heare in California
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Ourdee
Posted on Tuesday, July 12, 2011 - 06:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I always thought the person leaving a ball park with a ball they didn't pay for was stealing. If I was playing kickball and the ball went over the fence, I would expect a person catching it to give it back. What's up with this entitlement thing?
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Badlionsfan
Posted on Tuesday, July 12, 2011 - 07:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Tongue and cheek comment, referring to the fact that with all that debt he basically gave back his lottery winnings that woulda paid off his student loans. Giving the ball up wasn't smart.

Ourdee, in baseball, once a ball (or bat for that matter), enters the stands, it belongs to the fan that gets it. It's how it's always been.

If I were Jeter, I'd at least pay off the kids student loans, separate from what the Yanks gave him.
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Danger_dave
Posted on Tuesday, July 12, 2011 - 07:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

What about the fall and near fall when trying to catch a ball.That's a costly catch. What a tragedy the first one is.
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Cityxslicker
Posted on Tuesday, July 12, 2011 - 08:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

it aint all income based either,
schools are super excited about 'diversity' - and fund accordingly; white bread, male - not so much.
just wait until the 'Dream Act' kicks in and out of country ILLEGAL students are offered in-state tuition rates AND federal aid for attending.
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Court
Posted on Tuesday, July 12, 2011 - 09:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

>>>>The fact that he gave back the ball proves that college isn't for everyone.

I'm not smart enough.

Explain, for my benefit, the relationship between giving the ball back and college.
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Court
Posted on Tuesday, July 12, 2011 - 09:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


quote:

Essential Elements of Gift


The term gift denotes a voluntary transfer of real or personal property to another made without any particular cause and without consideration. The person who gives the gift is called donor and the one who receives the gift is called donee. A gift is generally made out of affection, respect, charity, or like impulses, and not from any moral or legal duty. Gifts enjoy tax exemption and a payment made without conditions and out of respect or charity or in anticipation of economic benefits is generally characterized as gift under tax law. A charity will normally issue a tax receipt for the gift amount and it can provide a tax receipt for gift- in -kind also.

A gift can be made during the donor’s lifetime (inter-vivos) or by will (testamentary). The two principal categories of gifts are inter vivos gifts and causa mortis gifts. An inter vivos gift is perfected and takes effect during the lifetime of the donor and donee and is irrevocable in nature. A gift causa mortis is one that is made in anticipation of imminent death. This type of gift takes effect upon the death of the donor from the expected disease or illness and may be revoked until the donor’s death. There is a third category called testamentary gift made by will. It operates to transfer ownership only subsequent to the death of the donor.

Essential elements of a gift include: capacity of the donor; intention of the donor to make the gift; completed delivery to or for the benefit of the donee; and acceptance of the gift by the donee. A gift can be made either in the form of cash or a gift-in-kind. A gift-in-kind means a gift of property other than cash and includes inventory, capital property, donations of real estate, stocks and bonds, and personal items. A donor can make a gift to a registered charity or other qualified donee. Services are not property and hence will not constitute the subject matter of gifts. Gift should be given voluntarily, of one’s free will and the donor who makes the gift should transfer the full ownership and possession to the donee. Generally a donor transfers property as a gift without expecting anything in return and donor cannot part with the gifted property in the name of a contract or court order.

The three elements which are essential to the making of a valid gift are delivery, donative intent, and acceptance by the donee. The delivery of a gift is complete when it is made directly to the donee. Delivery can also be made to a third party on behalf of the donee. The third person can be the donor’s agent, bailee, or trustee. In the case of delivery to a third party, delivery is deemed to be complete only when such person actually hands over the property to the donee.

A delivery may be actual, implied, or symbolic, and requires some affirmative act to take place. For instance, A wishes to gift a cow to his daughter B. The actual delivery takes place when A hires a person to bring the cow to B’s farm. A symbolic delivery of a car, for instance can occur when the donor hands over the key of the car to the donee. Delivery is complete only when the donor surrenders control of the property. For example, an individual who expresses the desire to make a gift of a car to another but continues to drive the car whenever he or she wishes has not surrendered control of the car.

If the donor and donee reside in the same house, the gift need not be removed from the house and can be kept in the same house. States do not require too many formalities to establish delivery and if it is proved that the donor relinquished all claim to the gift and recognized the donee’s right to exercise control over it, courts consider it as an adequate indication of a transfer by gift. In the case of a gift to an infant or an insane person who does not have legal capacity to accept delivery, such delivery can be made to an individual who will hold it for such infant or insane person.

If the donee is out of the country at the time of making the gift, delivery can be made to someone else who agrees to accept the property for the donee. However, if the individual accepting delivery is employed by the donor, it is presumed that the donor has not rendered control of the property and that delivery has not actually been made. “The individual accepting delivery must be holding the property for the donee and not for the donor.”

The second ingredient of a valid gift is donative intent, which is inferred from the “donor’s words, the surrounding circumstances, the relationship of the parties, the size of the gift in relation to the amount of the donor’s property as a whole, and the behavior of the donor towards the property subsequent to the purported gift.”

The intent must be present at the time the gift is made and is different from a mere expectation. For example, if one person promises to give a house to an artist “someday,” the promise is unenforceable because there is no intent to make an effective gift at the time of the promise.

The third element for a valid gift is acceptance. Acceptance means that the donee unconditionally agrees to take the gift. It is necessary for the donee to agree at the same time the delivery is made. The gift can, however, be revoked at any time prior to acceptance.




http://gifts.uslegal.com/essential-elements-of-gif t/
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Badlionsfan
Posted on Wednesday, July 13, 2011 - 02:31 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I give up, I'm out of this one.
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F22raptor
Posted on Wednesday, July 13, 2011 - 05:23 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My son is getting all full D-1 ride to one one of the 3 big-ten (12 now) schools, so I can not or will not complain. But If you only knew how much these schools make off of football, he is getting taken advantage of I believe. B.T.W he is going to major in Med or Finance, let just say he did well on his ACT, and will enter collage with about 20+ credits due to his high-school courses. I am not bragging, but there is a way to play the system a bit
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Court
Posted on Wednesday, July 13, 2011 - 06:17 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Tell him to read the fine print before he signs the papers . . . I went on a Big 8 scholarship in 1971 and, before heading to the field house to pull cards to enroll in classes the first thing they did was give me a pink card.

When I got the computer cards for my classes they put the pink in the stack and it automatically blocks all classes from 2:00 to 6:00.

I found out, the hard way, that once you sign those papers . .they OWN you.

: )
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