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     Whisperstealth |
Arkansas. Another reason why I love this state. If you can get past the hill billy, goodO' boy network, it's a great place. Arkansas has a balanced budget. Arkansas has, is maintaining, and even growing it's industry base. Low wage, low education, low a bunch of stuff. But a beautiful state that is more self-sufficient than most. http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110614/od_nm/us_legis lators_arkansas Read the comments at the bottom. Good comments, that tell the truth of the matter, and what many "regular" people really think. Education does not automatically equate to practical knowledge and ability. BTW: Arkansas is one of the few state's that could go almost fully independent. There is enough farmable land, water, and various natural resources to sustain it's population. When the lights go out, the Arkansas people will survive better that most. | ||
| Cowboy |
Very true The same can be said for most rural areas. When the light go out we will be shooting city people out of our deep freezers and food sstores. | ||
| Scooter808484 |
Best be careful...Some of us "city people" will be shooting back. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
I was reading a 'career' board and the recruiters said that at first clance - the resumes that pass the pedantic key word search get about 20 seconds of visual scanning. Nice to know that 4 years of undergrade 2 years of graduate work, and years of professional certifications/licenses is relagated to a gleaned 20 seconds. meh, when the chaos comes, I will already be overseas. PS They finally named the Commissioned Cadre - looks like it is under the auspice of the USPHS and directly tasked by the President as 'crisis' and 'resilience' requires. They go 'live' September.... guess who is getting the AA-12 as 'squad' weapons general issue ? rumor is THEM. | ||
| Whisperstealth |
From Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USPHS The United States Public Health Service Commissioned Corps employs more than 6,000 public health professionals for the purpose of delivering public health promotion and disease prevention programs and advancing public health science. Members of the Commissioned Corps often serve on the frontlines in the fight against disease and poor health conditions. As one of the United States seven uniformed services, the PHS Commissioned Corps fills public health leadership and service roles within federal government agencies and programs. The PHS Commissioned Corps includes officers drawn from many professions, including environmental and occupational health, medicine, nursing, dentistry, pharmacy, psychology, social work, hospital administration, health record administration, nutrition, engineering, science, veterinary, health information technology, and other health-related occupations. Officers of the Corps wear uniforms similar to those of the United States Navy with special PHSCC insignia, and the Corps uses the same commissioned officer ranks as the United States Navy, Coast Guard and NOAA Corps from ensign to admiral, uniformed services pay grades O-1 through O-10 respectively. Mission: The mission of the U.S. Public Health Service Commissioned Corps is to protect, promote, and advance the health and safety of the United States. According to the PHSCC, this mission is achieved through rapid and effective response to public health needs, leadership and excellence in public health practices, and advancement of public health science. --- I hope I'm brave enough to die fighting when they break down my door to conduct a "health inspection". Freedom and Liberty are VERY fast becoming a long dead fantasy. City, can you take me with you? I can cook! Israel doesn't want me seeing as how I don't want to convert. | ||
| Cowboy |
Scooter---I read your post very slowly it seams to me you are saying you would fight me and TRY to take my property by force well just come on . I must remind you I am not playing remember there will be some slow walking and sad singing when any one attempts to take my property. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
Thats the press release for the reg troops, read the new ACA bill, the charter to the new 'Ready Reserve' and the British White Papers on "Resilience" and notice all the pedantic lip service this administration pays to that word. They are a NATIONAL emergency response taskforce that is ARMED, directly respondent to the President over the Governors Authority, and may or may NOT take an auth to defend the Constitution.... Remember at the WTO when the National Guard (MY UNIT) was on the tarmac with APCs and live rounds, and couldnt get the go ahead from the Governor to engage civilian groups?!?! This FIXES that. oh and they do vaccinations too  | ||
| Davegess |
Dude, the public health service has been a commissioned branch of the armed services for something like 130 years! These are the vicious folks who beat the polio epidenmic, stopped SARS (some of them died doing this), contolled TB in this country and helped elimninare Smallpox. What possible beef can yo have with them? | ||
| Drkside79 |
>>>>>>>I must remind you I am not playing Really Cowboy? He was joking around. I doubt that even in the event of mass hysteria scooter will be traveling from the Pac NW to fight for land in Louisiana. | ||
| Whisperstealth |
Actually no. Your kinda right, but not completely. The former public health service did those things. This is a "new" corps, replacing the old one. >>>The Affordability Care Act (ACA), signed by the President on 23 March 2010, established the Ready Reserve Corps as the new surge capacity for the Commissioned Corps of the U.S. Public Health Service. In addition, all Reserve Corps officers who were serving on extended active duty on 23 March 2010 were converted to Regular Corps officers. The same legislation also abolished the Inactive Reserve Corps (IRC) on 23 March 2010 and consequently the commissions of the 10,000 officers who were on file as IRC officers. The Office of Reserve Affairs (ORA) is sending letters to these individuals, notifying them of their change of status. http://dcp.psc.gov/ccbulletin/articles/Reserve_Upd ate.aspx And Bang just like that 10,000 reserve officers were shown the door, paving the way for new ones. Those who were "active" read wanted, stayed. The rest, well, got their commission yanked. Interesting choice of a word: Surge. The word has been used a lot lately when describing an increase in military attacks and operations. So we now have a new armed health corps, with a Surge capacity, led by officers that got to stick around, and room for new officers to come. >>>The IRC served as a valuable asset for the Corps. Inactive reservists voluntarily activated to provide over 3,000 active-duty days annually for routine and public health emergencies. They were invaluable during Hurricane Katrina and other emergency response missions and in providing surge capacity for numerous shortages in isolated and hardship underserved areas. Inactive reservists also played important roles in the humanitarian shipboard training missions with other uniformed services. We are grateful for their contributions to our Nation and their willingness to serve in national emergencies and to meet urgent staffing needs. We are also grateful for their recruitment efforts to increase the force strength of the Corps. If so valuable why abolish it/them. Would not having a IRC still be a good idea? Since when is having a reserve a bad thing. I'm willing to bet there will be one. A provision for one will be made. Wait, that in effect, is what the ready reserve is. A complete replacement for the IRC: >>>Congress established the Ready Reserve Corps to fulfill the need to have additional Corps personnel available on short notice to assist Regular Corps personnel to meet both routine public health and emergency response missions. The Ready Reserve Corps officers will be available and ready for involuntary calls to active duty during national emergencies and public health crises. Dude. They scrapped the old. Created a new corps, and are staffing / running it as they see fit. That is the "beef". They(Obama), is in fact creating a private army loyal to him. One outside and above the law of the CONSTITUTION. Can you not see that??? Can you not see that an corps so created, and tasked with public health care is as about an obvious a threat to liberty as it gets. "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." As cliche as the line is, it fits perfectly IMO. This will be a Scare the public into thinking it's for their own good proposition. >>>These are the vicious folks who beat the polio epidenmic, stopped SARS (some of them died doing this), contolled TB in this country and helped elimninare Smallpox. What possible beef can yo have with them? Exactly. They did all that with a program and corps that has worked just fine. Why the need to change it so drastically? Why the need to change it at all? Why the need to give the boot to 10,000 experienced reservist, only to form a new corps? What new outbreak are we fighting, that demands a new corps? What outbreak or terrorist event period, would require the use of a corps answerable only to the president, when he already has the OEM and emergency powers? And when he can direct the military not to mention the CDC and just about every other government agency to do what ever he wants for 30 days anyway? Why this need for a new stand alone armed corps? | ||
| Whisperstealth |
>>>Really Cowboy? He was joking around. I doubt that even in the event of mass hysteria scooter will be traveling from the Pac NW to fight for land in Louisiana. Maybe he was just kidding. But that attitude is all too real. Real funny to joke about taking someone else's food and supply stores. Supplies they were smart enough to save and prepare for, while others didn't. People laugh and scoff, but when millions start to flee the big cities they will not be welcomed with open arms by those that have prepared. By those that have spent a lifetime being laughed at, ridiculed and scorned. A 75 year old man is not likely to think it's all that funny, and I don't blame him. On the flip side at 75 Cowboy, you'll probably keel over before it gets that bad. If you do can I call dibs | ||
| Drkside79 |
@Whispered I suppose in that case I will just have to wait for the first few waves to leave the city let them claim the high causalities and preform mop up duty latter. This really is an absurd conversation BTW. And in case anyone is not joking i have no immediate plans for world domination. But Pinky and I are working out the kinks by night...... Brain brain brain brain.....  | ||
| Hootowl |
"But Pinky and I are working out the kinks by night......" Why Andy, what are you going to do tomorrow night? | ||
| Drkside79 |
Same thing we do every night Jeff try to take over the world......  | ||
| Drkside79 |
Man i used to love that cartoon BTW | ||
| Hootowl |
Yep. Nothing says funny like falling anvils. That show brought back memories of Saturday mornings, Bugs Bunny, and cereal with WAY too much sugar in it. | ||
| Scooter808484 |
Cowboy, Only joking, Kind of. I just get a little sick of the implication that because I have an education, and don't live in the rural Southern United States, and might not vote Republican in every election, that somehow I am a sheep to be walked all over. I too have guns and know how to use them. So no, I am not coming to take your stuff. Because I have an education, I actually have a pretty good job, some property of my own, and enough money in the bank that if the end appears to be coming, I can likely get lots of my own food. I just keep hearing about the grand conservative "revolution" that's coming soon. I didn't hear it from you, directly, but the implication was there. My only point is that when the revolution starts, not everyone agrees with you and some of us have guns too. I'll defend my property with at least as much gusto as you | ||
| Scooter808484 |
@Whisper... If you do can I call dibs Is that supposed to be a threat at me??? If so, I say bring it. I've been practicing. | ||
| Danger_dave |
Ooooh - Internet tough guys. | ||
| Drkside79 |
>>>>>>>>Is that supposed to be a threat at me??? If so, I say bring it. I've been practicing. Scooter I don't believe it was. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
There are some very dubious Federal Powers appointed from that 'healthcare bill' 2500 new Tax Enforcement Agents 'Required' Individual Mandate (unless of course you are a waivered body) 3500 ARMED 'Health Troops' New digital 'indigent, disparate, health access card' (um read worker benefit card to 'border transgressors, because they are no longer illegal) Asset Declarations for inpatient admits A claimed 'Trillion' Dollars - to the bill, in essentially a black veil of 'transperancy' And an all too happy coalescence of National data banks for 'health' reasons. I dont know if there is a conservative revolt coming - but I am the hell out for a good long while. It gets bad in 2015- and a new currency is shortly there after. y'all wanted to know when the shiat was hitting the fan.... they are piling the mound to start pitching it right about now. and for those of you that think 'Reserves' only back fill.... I have 7 extended active duty deployments where I was PRIMARY action force and regular troops remained in Germany.... it is the new way to get a force on ground without declaring war; send in the reserves - Bush I started it; and every one since has repeated it. | ||
| Gunut75 |
I'm pretty sure that my gal and I will be down there in the fall (Mountain Home). I'll bring the scoot to sample some of those fabulous roads. As far as the original post is concerned: There's something to be said about simple. I come from a close to the city background, and I prefer the country. It's probably where the gal and I will retire. | ||
| Whisperstealth |
>>>@Whisper... If you do can I call dibs Is that supposed to be a threat at me??? If so, I say bring it. I've been practicing. - No it wasn't. I suppose you could read that into the line, but given the previous sentence, it would be hard for me to do so. Maybe I don't have enough education. I only went to college for two years, and didn't even get a piece of paper to hang on the wall to show for it. I was referring to getting all Cowboy's stuff if he keels over. The fact you would jump to the conclusion that I wanted to be in-line to gun you down is disturbing. IMO it speaks to your hostility and resentments not mine. I am very pro liberty and defending wants yours, however I am VERY careful when it come to making a direct or indirect threat against a specific individual. I encourage you to look through my past posts to verify this truth. I will not make a veiled threat or unveiled threat or implication against someone personally unless it is to be followed by action. And action much sooner than later. I realize that things get lot in translation through the internet, so I'll tell you a another fact of my life. I do not joke about, or like having others joke to me about physically harming myself or much of anyone for that matter. I get upset at my closest friends and family when they joke about "kicking my but", even in the most friendly, joking, laughing sense; and have walked away from people for periods of time because they will not respect the fact it's something I take seriously. Darkside - Yup I'd say the thread got well jacked, and far off topic. City - Your time table is close inline with mine. Only your giving it one more year than I am. I was figuring late 2013-2014. I'll go with your experience, and hope it's still 3 to 4 years off. Gunut - Cool! We will have to get together, and do a little riding  | ||
| Aesquire |
Once upon a time.... there was the imminent threat of global thermonuclear war. I know. I was there. There were, by CIA guessing, over a dozen really big nukes aimed at my house. Actually at the SAC base next door, but Soviet missiles had an accuracy so bad that they went for overkill and 70 megaton city busters to make up for it. Our house would have been inside the fireball. What square yard was the actual aim point was meaningless. If you're inside the fireball, or the building the planes hit falls on you, it's over. No worries if you have enough food & water. If you're 75 miles away, downwind of a nuke or "dirty bomb", or other toxic nasty, you actually have a pretty good chance of survival. But not if you try and run. If you live on the edge of a city, have a fast bike with rough terrain capacity, and already have the backpack with a weeks food ( available online ) and weapons appropriate to your skills, you have a microscopic chance of outracing what will in minutes become a parking lot of fighting and soon to be dead people. So, duct tape, plastic and shovels can get you through the fallout. 2 weeks. That's how long you need to be able to hang out. Then you can put on that tyvek painters suit, the dust mask, duct tape the seams, and roll out towards what remains of civilization. But that scenario is old fashioned. Now it's likely that because of policies of the Government, this depression could give us sudden breakdown of society. it's not going to be the "conservatives" gunning for you. Though I admit they may shoot you if attacked. You'd better have food and a backup heat source. Also weapons to protect that. You're not going to escape to "the hills" and the people there cannot take you in, they're likely to just make it. ( rant edited to remove good ideas for bad guys ) I often get the comment that "I don't want to live through..." nuclear war, uber catastrophe, etc. I often reply, "ok, can I have your stuff then?" (Message edited by aesquire on June 15, 2011) | ||
| Aesquire |
On topic. Arkansas looks like what the founders intended. Citizens who part time take on the job of government. Not pro's who live for as long as possible on others money. I see New York has a very high level of college grads in the legislature. I believe it. I can even guess their majors. ( hint, most involve lying for a living, and "science" tacked on the end of "social/political/communication/etc" ) | ||
| Danger_dave |
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| Aesquire |
I keep telling people that tin foil hats just increase the reception of radio waves. Like on rabbit ears. A sealed tinfoil suit with grounded air supply though..........  Not to worry Danger, almost all the time we Yanks respond to weirdness pretty much the same as all the Anglo-saxon cultural escapees of The English Empire. The tornado/tsunami/flood/typhoon hits and we go around helping each other out, mostly. S.O.P. is good guys just like your home. Heroism, good samaritans, guys pulling children out of rivers at the cost of their own lives. ( yeah, I watched the footage from NZ on that last big flood. Damn. ) we also have looters and the terminally dependent. Planning for Zombie attack is just plain fun, despite the bellicose nature of some folks smack down talk. No One's shooting the Hordes Escaping From The Cities. In the movies the guys holding the barricades always get eaten anyway....  Most of the real argument in the US avoids the simple facts. Some people are concerned that the tendency of bureaucratic groups is to increase in size and power to the detriment of people and their freedom to screw up and succeed. Some folk like that being "the government" they can buy votes by keeping people dependent on them with dole payments. High unemployment is just more power to them. Bigger budgets. More minions. These folk also run the education systems, and don't really teach history or rational thought much. Smart people don't need them. They know that. Then you start seeing that a higher and higher percentage of the population isn't doing useful work and making it on it's own, but is getting money from the govt. in one form or another..... it's an issue, because as the Iron Lady said, "The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money" If not all, many, forms of social program rely on redistribution of wealth. Taxes are fine to pay for the structure of society, police, emergency services, roads and external defense. Most people even like having a safety net for those struck by natural disaster and personal tragedy. But. The basic nature of these programs is that they become ponzi schemes and collapse under the weight of promises made that just cannot be kept. The math doesn't work. I'm pretty sure that's inevitable as the nature of the beast, but I could be wrong there. Willing to entertain new ideas. | ||
| Aesquire |
Or, and I have to be honest here, it could just be that Americans don't do Communism worth a damn. We suck at Socialism. It gets all nutball religion-y here and gives us stuff like eugenics and weird rules that break up the family by punishing success..... http://www.lts.com/~cprael/Meade_FAQ.htm | ||
| Danger_dave |
Roflcopter! | ||
| Danger_dave |
I'm reminded of 'The Fog'. Biggest 'bummer' ending to a film yet. |
