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     Buellerxt |
Wall Street Journal APRIL 29, 2011 The president's appointees have moved to block the company from building planes in my state. He owes us an explanation. By NIKKI HALEY - The governor of South Carolina In October 2009, Boeing, long one of the best corporations in America, made an announcement that changed the economic outlook of South Carolina forever: The company's second line of 787 Dreamliners would be produced in North Charleston. In choosing to manufacture in my state, Boeing was exercising its right as a free enterprise in a free nation to conduct business wherever it believed would best serve both the bottom line and the employees of its company. This is not a novel or complicated idea. It's called capitalism. Boeing has since poured billions of dollars into a new, state-of-the art facility in South Carolina's picturesque Low Country along the Atlantic coast. It has created thousands of good jobs and joined the long tradition of distinguished and employee-friendly corporations that have found a home, and a partner, in the Palmetto State. This a win-win for South Carolina, for Boeing, and for the global clients who will see Dreamliners rolling off the North Charleston line at the rate of 10 a month, starting with the first one next year. But, as is often the case, a win for people and businesses is a loss for the labor unions, which rely on coercion, bullying and undue political influence to stay afloat. South Carolina is a right-to-work state, and we're proud that within our borders workers cannot be required to join a labor union as a condition of employment. We don't need unions playing middlemen between our companies and our employees. We don't want them forcefully inserted into our promising business climate. And we will not stand for them intimidating South Carolinians. That is apparently too much for President Obama and his union-beholden appointees at the National Labor Relations Board, who have asked the courts to intervene and force Boeing to stop production in South Carolina. The NLRB wants Boeing to produce the planes only in Washington state, where its workers must belong to the International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers. Let's be clear: Boeing is a great corporate citizen in Washington and in South Carolina. The company chose to come to our state because the cost of doing business is low, our job training and work force are strong, and our ports are tremendous. The fact that we are a right-to-work state is an added bonus. The actions by the NLRB are nothing less than a direct assault on the 22 right-to-work states across America. They are also an unprecedented attack on an iconic American company that is being told by the federal government—which seems to regard its authority as endless—where and how to build airplanes. The president has been silent since his hand-selected NLRB General Counsel Lafe Solomon, who has not yet been confirmed by the United States Senate as required by law, chose to engage in economic warfare on behalf of the unions last week. While silence in this case can be assumed to mean consent, President Obama's silence is not acceptable—not to me, and certainly not to the millions of South Carolinians who are rightly aghast at the thought of the greatest economic development success our state has seen in decades being ripped away by federal bureaucrats who appear to be little more than union puppets. This is not just a South Carolina issue, and President Obama owes the people of our country a response. If they get away with this government-dictated economic larceny, the unions won't stop in our state. The nation deserves an explanation as to why the president's appointees are doing the machinist union's dirty work on the backs of the businesses and workers of South Carolina. Ms. Haley, a Republican, is governor of South Carolina. Copyright 2011 Dow Jones & Company, Inc. All Rights Reserved | ||
| Ducbsa |
Letter from Boeing to the NLRB: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ABPub/2011/05/04/ 2014962951.pdf | ||
| Buellerxt |
Thanks Ducbsa. The present administration's actions are deceitful and shameful. A 'change' has never been more needed. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
Boeing moved its 'domiciled' HQ out of Washington due to taxation... guess where they landed? It starts with a C has a hica in the middle and ends in Go They really havent been a 'washington' company for many years | ||
| Geforce |
Whoa, that memo was full of prosecution... Go Boeing! | ||
| Sifo |
BO was elected on a platform of "Hope & Change". He never did define what change he wanted to make. That change is becoming more and more apparent though (just in case you really couldn't read between the lines 3 years ago). Now we get to see one of BO's biggest supporters, the SEIU, is playing very nicely with the Communist party. SEIU drops mask, goes full commie     And some question why I tend to be just a little bit anti-union. It's because I'm full-on anti-communist. The friend of my enemy is most likely not my friend. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
aw isnt that cute. dollars to doughnuts none of them know or care about the purges, forced collectivization, exiles, imprisionments, mass graves, starvation, embargoes and nationalization of private property, equity, machinery. but they are so cute ! Just waiting for the gap to brand the new Che wear.... oh wait. Reagan must be spinning in his Grave. | ||
| Johnnymceldoo |
I found a good che t-shirt but my wife was very against me wearing it. | ||
| Geforce |
Scary stuff. | ||
| Sifo |
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| Paint_shaker |
I am pro-union, but incidents like this make it really hard to argue anything pro-union. Unions should be focusing on working conditons and a fair wage, not where a business wants to move. If a business choose's to move to a right to work state, so be it! Last I knew this is a free country (though, I am beginging to wonder)... For those anti-union, just remember; right to work also means right to fire, right to change working conditions without notice, right to withhold benefits and other "rights"... But I also agree SOME unions have gotten pretty darn arogant! (Message edited by Paint shaker on May 08, 2011) | ||
| Bikertrash05 |
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| Kc10_fe |
Maybe right to work is wrong to work? Love or hate the unions all you want but dont forget to compare wages, benifits, health/ retirement plans, 401s, annuities while doing so. The top 10 wealthiest states Where median income is highest Rank State Median Income 1 New Hampshire $65,028 2 New Jersey $64,918 3 Connecticut $64,644 4 Maryland $63,828 5 Alaska $62,675 6 Virginia $61,126 7 Utah $60,396 8 Massachusetts $59,732 9 Hawaii $58,469 10 Washington $58,404 Source:U.S. Census Bureau The bottom 10 poorest states Where median incomes are lowest Rank State Median Income 1 Mississippi $35,693 2 Arkansas $37,987 3 West Virginia $39,170 4 Tennessee $40,034 5 South Carolina $41,548 6 Montana $41,587 7 Kentucky $41,828 8 Alabama $42,144 9 North Carolina $42,337 10 Louisiana $42,423 Source:U.S. Census Bureau | ||
| Kenm123t |
KC what are the real costs of living in those higher priced states? and the taxes. In Fla state employees get a south differential for living in dade broward or Palm Beach Counties | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
That list is worthless without a listing of comparative costs of living: States with the lost cost of living: 1) Oklahoma 2) Texas 3) Tennessee 4) Nebraska 5) South Dakota 6) Missouri 7) Kansas 8) Georgia 9) Mississippi States with the highest cost of living: 1) Hawaii 2) California 3) Washington D.C. 4) New Jersey 5) Alaska 6) Maryland 7) New York 8) Rhode Island 9) Connecticut 10) Vermont Here is a great analytical tool about rankings by state: http://www.cnbc.com/id/37516047/ The states you mention aren't even close to the top of the list in ACTUAL quality of life. What good does it do to earn twice as much as someone in say South Carolina if your cost of living is three times as much as someone in South Carolina? | ||
| Kc10_fe |
My actual quality of life is excellent. I live in NJ and my taxes suck! Not bitching seeing my brats attend excellent schools. I belong to a construction trades union (the current bad guy scapegoats who are less than 10% of the nations workforce). Our 50% scale apprentices start at $23 an hour. Our current CBA pays OT at double rate for anything starting before 6 am or going after 430 PM. I dont know what quality of life you can expect making 30-50k a year for life. Thats where I was on Active Duty for many years. If you are making $55K a year whats your annual contributions look like? Thats roughly 700 a week take home. With that what are putting into a 401 (5% of my weekly pay with an 8% return), retirement plan ($100 per every year worked monthly = 20 years 2k a month), or an annuity ($4 per hour). This does not include BCBS health insurance with a $1300 annual deductable family plan. Eyemed vision care (free lasik yipee), CVS drug plan ($5 co pays). Delta dental plan (Free check ups). This in addition to a now Reserve military retirement. I guess I will sell my over priced home when I retire from my over paid union job and move across the Mason Dixon line in my retired years to take full advantage of that cheap living. Id make $600 weekly if I went out on unemployment. For Christs sake the illegals here cutting grass make more than the median income in Mississippi. Nobody puts up a fight though. Obviously the idea of a fair wages for skillful use of your hands and brain differs in union vs right to work states. Who bargains for you when you have no representation? Is the status quo all that acceptable? The company makes money off me and I make my money off of them. I however dont give my sweat away. | ||
| Rocketsprink |
You are fighting a losing battle on this site. You will be "thanked" for your service and in the same breath be told how wrong and "ignorant" you are by the close minded, always correct in their own opinion, union haters here. And it's always the same people. You do not fall in lockstep with their anti union , pro corporation, American worker hating, rightwing point of view. They've been brainwashed. I've all but given up on this site for this very reason. I've been here since 2003, and am sickened by how much hate is spewed toward fellow Americans and Buellers. It's changed alot here, and not for the better. | ||
| Aesquire |
No, not fellow Americans and Buellers, just ignorant, insane lovers of Marx, Engels, Che, and the other forces of darkness, mass murderers, and totalitarians that led this planet toward a polluted, oppressive doom for a century. Oh, and I'm in a Union. Corporations are immortal entities that have more rights than humans, ( something should be done about that, don't you think? ) the Current admin has taken millions from the Wall Street powers they publicly revile, while pumping billions into their bank accounts..... And the hate I read here seems to inevitably come from leftists promoting big lies and using personal attacks to defend unsupportable positions. Oh, and the odd call to turn X country that murders it's own into a glass parking lot. Really, targeted regime change, like Bill's is better than random continuation of a conflict like Barry's or mass bombing like some wish. Unions have a purpose. Union shops tend to have an antagonistic relation between labor and management, and that may be structural to the concept of unions. Some Unions ( SEIU for example ) are political groups first, and representative second. SEIU has very close ties to the Communist Party, Here and abroad, and has as it's goal world communist govt. ( that's not from Glenn Beck, that's from SEIU speeches at CPUSA meetings. They're on Youtube ) | ||
| Sifo |
If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck and is flocking with the ducks, I'm pretty certain it's a duck. Rocco, I think you are a duck.  | ||
| Paint_shaker |
State Employees get a pay differential for being assigned to certain counties in south Florida. It's not a Cost of Living Adjustment (COLA), it's a Competitive Area Differential (CAD). CAD was created because there was such a huge gap between state employee salaries and those of local agenices. The state finally acted when there were enough state employees on welfare, food stamps and reduced school lunches. Unfortunately, the state of Florida has largely failed to give state employees pay raises in the last 18-20 years. During the same time they also failed to adjust the CAD. The State is currently facing low moral issues and a fairly high turnover rate, the result of which is a loss of core knowledge by experienced employees leaving. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
If I am going to have to live in a country with socialist leanings... I want one that is STEPPING AWAY from communism, and to capitalism, not the other way around. Hello Ukraine. And the Ukraine girls really knock me out, they leave the west behind  (They are not on the EU standard either, so the the Euro fiasco isnt their shared experience) doubly funny, they are moving to a personal payer system for healthcare because the delivery quality of care, the compensation for providers, the availability of access, the array of procedures and technology for diagnostics... isnt supported well by socialized medicine.... | ||
| Bikertrash05 |
This is a real site, not satire, though the video is hilarious. People really believe this? http://cpusa.org/communism-and-socialism-explained -an-animated-video/ | ||
| Sifo |
Here's the video so you can watch it here... "But that's not pure communism".  That's some funny stuff there, except I don't think it was meant to be humorous. It's a very disingenuous argument to argue for/against pure communism/capitalism. Neither will ever exist in pure their pure form. | ||
| Johnnymceldoo |
To read rockets posts you need the rocket glossary of terms and definitions: American worker- those exempt from the new healthcare bill and travel to polling stations in busses Rightwing- those who dont support "American workers" either by way of federal funding or support the politicians that lobby for them in return for pac money and votes. Closeminded- people who think its wrong for political leaders to give perks and federal money to "American workers" who then scratch the backs of said political leaders. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
that is right up there with the video that explains healthcare reform bill..... oh jeez where to start. Go with George Orwells Animal Farm for a primer Kick back with some Marx, Hegel, Engels; and a good dose of vodka, lurch into Lenin; and montage the rhetoric with actual history. Oh and the Communists LOVE transparency; talk of the purges prior to Khrushchev would have got you a trip to a Gulag. Lenin's What is to be done and N.E.P 1921 = US Obama goals 2012. enjoy | ||
| Sifo |
To read rockets posts you need the rocket glossary of terms and definitions: American worker- those exempt from the new healthcare bill and travel to polling stations in busses Rightwing- those who dont support "American workers" either by way of federal funding or support the politicians that lobby for them in return for pac money and votes. Closeminded- people who think its wrong for political leaders to give perks and federal money to "American workers" who then scratch the backs of said political leaders. Hate speech - anything that points out the corruption of the unions. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
To read rockets posts you need the rocket glossary of terms and definitions: American worker- those exempt from the new healthcare bill and travel to polling stations in busses Rightwing- those who dont support "American workers" either by way of federal funding or support the politicians that lobby for them in return for pac money and votes. Closeminded- people who think its wrong for political leaders to give perks and federal money to "American workers" who then scratch the backs of said political leaders. Hate speech - anything that points out the corruption of the unions. Brainwashed - those who DON'T go to union meetings to be educated about union labor by their local union representatives teaching the union perspective on economics and employers as well as instructions on who to vote for and when as well as why they couldn't make it without the unions support. | ||
| Buellerxt |
+100 Johnny, Sifo, and Ft. No hate or attacks on fellow Badweb members until ol' rocket showed up. Very typical of union folk. They aren't attacking! They aren't using hate speech! They aren't forcibly taking over public venues! They aren't breaking knee caps! Hey, they just want us, the 'other American workers', to ensure that they are comfy and cozy from cradle to grave, and to protect them from ANY kind of market place competition. That's all they want. (Message edited by buellerxt on May 09, 2011) | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Haven't you figured out that the ONLY "American Workers" are union? The rest are just hapless pawns of the bourgeoisie. | ||
| Johnnymceldoo |
If you guys keep this up iam reporting all y'all to john lovitz! |
