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Bishopjb1124
Posted on Sunday, May 01, 2011 - 06:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

So I get back from Afghanistan 2 days ago to my beautiful wife and newborn twin baby girls, life is great and a man could not ask for a better life.
I wake up this morning the sun is shining the birds are singing, and I decide to ride to the hospital to see the wife and the girls. The visit goes great the girls are gaining weight, the wife is recovering well. I decide to go home and eat lunch, I gear up (full gear of course) start the bike let it warm up and off I go. It is about a 25 minute ride and I cannot wait.

I approach an intersection, make it through the intersection and BAM it happens, a driver decides he cannot see me and makes a left hand turn in front of me. On the brakes I go, the bike starts to endo and before I know it I am picking myself up off of the pavement mumbling a few words that cause red dots on Badweb and trying to figure out what just happened. Luckily the driver stops, we call the cops and they show up investigate and cite the driver of the truck for his actions.

The bad news I had not put frame pucks on the bike yet since redoing it and it was the wifes bike. Currently at the hospital getting x-rays and checked. Have quite a bit of pain in my right knee and shoulder.

The gear did it's job as it always does, no roadrash but it was brand new Buell perforated leather jacket that I had just bought before deployment, this was my first time wearing it.

Jimmy
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04buell
Posted on Sunday, May 01, 2011 - 07:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Bummer! Frame pucks saved my bike! Glad you are okay. Congrats on the new babes. Such blessings we get in life.
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Fltwistygirl
Posted on Sunday, May 01, 2011 - 07:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Wow, where to start with this one?

Thanks for your service, congrats on the family additions and glad you are ok. Thank goodness for your good gear, the bike can be fixed. Hope you are on the mend soon.

Another testament to wearing the proper gear and always anticipating those crazy cagers and their left turns in front of us.

Statistically that's one of our biggest enemies on the roads, please be careful out there. BeLinda.
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Whatever
Posted on Sunday, May 01, 2011 - 09:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Jimmy,

First off, Welcome Home. Secondly, you did everything right given the situation. Hopefully you didn't break anything. It may sound strange, but sometimes we just need to slow everything down and breathe deep and enjoy the moment. You are probably still running on adrenaline from deployment, the births and now this. Take your time to recover fully from all the recent changes and just relax. We need you to be around in one piece, and for a long time.

Charlotte
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Etennuly
Posted on Sunday, May 01, 2011 - 09:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Congrats on your safe return home and your getting to visit your wife and the new comers!

Sorry to hear about the get off, but walking away makes you a winner, regardless.

The good news, the frame pucks can now be used as a "cover up"!
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U4euh
Posted on Sunday, May 01, 2011 - 11:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Jimmy, welcome back! Sorry about the accident. How bad is the frame? Will Pucks cover it up? If not, shoot me a PM I can help you out with the frame. Is his insurance gonna pay?
Glad you walked away and were still able to go see those new baby girls!
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1324
Posted on Monday, May 02, 2011 - 06:58 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Welcome home! Congrats on making it back in one piece to your new family. Sending you a PM.
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Brumbear
Posted on Monday, May 02, 2011 - 07:19 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Glad your OK man!!!
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Gentleman_jon
Posted on Monday, May 02, 2011 - 07:23 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hello Jimmy,

Thanks for your service and congratulations on your twin girls.

I am glad that you survived this accident, however I would like to make the point that in my opinion, it was 100 % your fault.

Yes, your fault.

When driving a motorcycle, there simply is no excuse for being involved in an accident with a vehicle that you could see before the accident occurred.

Here is the reason.

What you did was to put yourself in a position where you relied on someone else to make the right decision to avoid an accident.

That is very poor judgment. It is YOU that must take sole responsibility for your own safety.

The proper attitude when riding is to NEVER give someone the chance to kill you if you can avoid it.

Every now and then, they will take it.

I know that may sound overly harsh now.

Might save your life later.
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Bishopjb1124
Posted on Monday, May 02, 2011 - 09:08 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Jon thanks for your opinion but really you can take your opinion and well.....

Normally I am a really passive guy, and here are the facts
1. you do not know the full story
2. You do no not know me nor have you never met me to make a judgement call
3. You are entitled to your opinion as we all are, enjoy your freedoms
4. I had slowed coming through the intersection, saw the truck and prepared for him to pull out. He did so after I had made it through the intersection.

Thanks for your uninformed analysis and biased opinion. I have been riding long enough to understand what to expect, I have also made the choice to ride and have accepted the fact that cages do not see riders and often times endanger us.

Next time JON if I want a life lesson (trust me I have had plenty). I will shoot you a PM or something but until then thanks and have a wonderful day imparting your uninformed opinion on everyone.

Jimmy
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2008xb12scg
Posted on Monday, May 02, 2011 - 10:04 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Bishop 1st congrats on the girls, there's no greater honor, joy or harder work than being a parent! Thank you for your service, and welcome home! Just keep it in perspective, healthy wife, healthy babies and you walk away. Thank God for the good. As far as the bike it'll get fixed, you'll save up for a new jacket.

as far as what Jon said, it reminds me of our safety meetings at work. It's always your fault. We always laugh and say we'll remember to tell that to the insurance if we get in an accedent.
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86129squids
Posted on Monday, May 02, 2011 - 12:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Godspeed to your full recovery- what Char said, et al-

And hoping for more "Gentleman" Jon- mebbe someone whizzed in his wheaties today...
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Babired
Posted on Monday, May 02, 2011 - 12:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

yeah sometimes you don't see it coming until it happens! Dang Jon I guess the guy who rear ended me I could have seen it coming! or when I flipped the Buell Blast one day or when I was draggin knee in Lee Parks class and went all the way past extreme lean angle without knowing it just learning it.
Welcome home! Congradulations on your new twins and get the Buell fixed quick for many happy miles!
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Court
Posted on Monday, May 02, 2011 - 12:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Jimmy:

Thank you for your service, welcome home and another congrats on the girls..... That is awesome.

One thought ..... Based on years of experience.

Go back and reread Jon's words.

But .........

Read them as if they were from a caring friend, expressing genuine concern ..... Not someone on the internet admonishing or challenging you.

I learned something from what he said.

I fear some, and I'm not directing this necessarily at you, may have, from conditioned to being defensive, missed an important message.

Our corcern for you and well wishes are genuine.

Semper Fi,
Court
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Gentleman_jon
Posted on Monday, May 02, 2011 - 01:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thank you, Court.

Too kind, as ever.
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86129squids
Posted on Monday, May 02, 2011 - 02:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Bishop, Jon, got just the thing for us all...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0l3QWUXVho

BTW, Jon, I've always appreciated your contributions here on BW- I know as a serious and wise rider your $.02 are very well worth it.

Happy trails to you both, and may we all "keep the rubber side down"...
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Fresnobuell
Posted on Monday, May 02, 2011 - 05:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That is very poor judgment. It is YOU that must take sole responsibility for your own safety.

That's a load of crap. What kind of fairy tail motorcycle land do you come from? SO what the f is the guy supposed to do? Stop in the middle of the road whenever someone who making a left hand appears from a sidestreet? That's the only way you can 100% make sure you aren't gonna hit him. At some point your fate IS in the hands of others who share the road. No way around that.

According to your school of thought, maybe we should avoid all two lane roads too? Someone could always cross over the center line and nail you.
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Fast1075
Posted on Monday, May 02, 2011 - 05:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I can see Jon's point...I share something with him...I am an old fart, and I have crashed every way possible and am still here by some miracle....

Just maybe Jon sees a young man with a new family and many years of life ahead of him. And in his passion to pass on good advice.....made damn sure it would sink in...it seems that it did.

I have been down twice from left hand turners...the first time I went down form pure lack of experience and training...the second time, it was my own damn fault for not watching for the cues.

Since that last incident years ago, I have had 3 or 4 more pull out in front of me...1 or two got the "stop and give them the no no no finger wag". One got his door kicked. And the other (somebody WAY too old to be driving) got reported for hazardous driving.

I don't want to read or hear about anybody doing down...I ride with the full knowledge that everybody on the road is a murderous ass hell bent on killing me..

Ease up on Jon, the man is trying to help.
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Fresnobuell
Posted on Monday, May 02, 2011 - 05:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Stop in the middle of the road whenever someone who making a left hand appears from a sidestreet? That's the only way you can 100% make sure you aren't gonna hit him.

On second thought, stopping doesn't insure you won't get hit. Maybe the cager makes more than a 90 degree turn and hits you anyway. By your analysis this would still be the riders fault? Maybe we need to pull to the shoulder of the road for more safety. Or perhaps pull over to the shoulder and at least 50 feet back.

But oh wait that doesn't account from possible collisions from the rear...
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Ljm
Posted on Monday, May 02, 2011 - 05:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

First, welcome home! Thanks for all you've done. Secondly, congrats on the kiddos!

Lastly, be careful out there. Hit a car at 75 that crossed the centerline. Hope it never happens again to me or anyone else. Everything still hurts when the weather gets cold. You can't anticipate everything, but you can try.
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Iamike
Posted on Monday, May 02, 2011 - 05:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Expecting every car to do the wrong thing and others intentionally trying to kill me has kept me alive for 30+ years of riding.

I still get surprised once in awhile.
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Rkc00
Posted on Monday, May 02, 2011 - 06:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

According to your school of thought, maybe we should avoid all two lane roads too? Someone could always cross over the center line and nail you.

First Thanks for your service. Congrats on the New ones. Actually there are a lot of roads here on Long Island I stay away from all the time just because of this. As Court said. Please reread Jon's post. His words are so true. I believe that 99% of motorcycle accidents are the motorcycles fault. But there is that 1%. All of us need to be safe out there.
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Fresnobuell
Posted on Monday, May 02, 2011 - 06:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I believe that 99% of motorcycle accidents are the motorcycles fault.

You should be a cop.
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Rkc00
Posted on Monday, May 02, 2011 - 07:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Cop? No not me.
Well if all of us would take Jon's advice that % would go way down.
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Kenm123t
Posted on Monday, May 02, 2011 - 07:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

We just want every one to ride have and get home in one peice
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